Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

" "Awakened" Sting did nothing significant to say he could fight on par with Natsu. Rogue who had PoF got his butt beat by Gajeel and needed shadow boost to beat him lol.

Mard Geer was a notorious liar and so what he made him his servant? He just didn't want to fight 3DS and DeS mage. Jeimma would have been slaughtered by Mard Geer lol.

? Seilah put stronger people than Jeimma in her Macro...Erza >>> Sting and Rogue lol. And she did that while she was one hit away from KOing. Elfman only beat bcs he baclstabbed her lol. He wpuld have been stomped in an upfront confrontation. Mira was stronger than Kagura and Minvera even in the GMG. She literally made Natsu, who scrubbed the two DS together, afraid of her power lol. He was not stronger than top 3 9Ds. His performance was horrible and he lost to people Natsu has scrubbed in base form.

Sting had advantages over Larcade which is why he didn't get Kagura and it was bs thay he was able to do that bcs he was scrubbed by an S12 prior to that fight.

Bloodman wasn't half strength...they literally said H12 were former shells of their actual power. And Minerva and Rogue didn't even beat them at a fraction of their power.

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Didn't Mashima state Mira could beat Erza? That alone already shows that Minerva and Kagura would be scrubbed by Mira lol. They were Tenrou Erza level opponents. Mira is current Erza level opponent. "


- Awaked Sting opened the body of a mage who was stronger than him (the guild master of a guild that claims that strength is important wouldn't be really weak), he was able to fight Mard Geer hour for a quite time without being completely trashed ( fought better than Mirajane did against base Sayla). Rogue defeated Bradmand 50%! They have feats.

- Was Mard Geer a liar? He lied about what? LOL Even if Jienma was slaughtered by MG, what matters is that Jienma saved him when he was able to be serially damaged by Gray and that he claims that Jienma was stronger than the 9s.

- Erza wasn't a demon. I'm talking about demons beyond Sayla's level, which Jienma is, she didn't show be able to cast macro on demons beyond her level (actually she only used against Minerva who was clearly said as weak in Jienma's view even after she got demon power).

- I'm not saying that Elfman would be able to attack Sayla directly, but she has the strength to almost knock out her with one single blow, which shows how weak Sayla's endurance is.

- Sting only had the advantages of eating Larcade's light. His speed and his resistance (even without use DF) were totally his merits! Sting's light power didn't have any advantage to damage Larcade. On the contrary, Rogue would be better when we're talking about magic that damages Larcade.

-Yes, Bloodman was 50%. Neinhart said that it was hard for to him keep 3 Historias of his fellow Spriggans. When Rogue and Minerva fought Bloodman and Wahl, God Serena has already been defeated by Gildarts, so Neinhart was only keeping two Historias on the battlefield and, later, Irene boosted his MP to outstrip the limits, so both Wahl and Rogue were with 50% of their total power.


- Mashima never said that. It is fake! Actually Erza and Mirajane only have rivaled before Lisanna's ''death'', Mirajane stayed 3 years without fighting and when she returns to action she never fought against Erza again. Even Minerva and Kagura fought Erza more recent than Mirajane. We have no proof that Mirajane would fight Erza better than Kagura and Minerva did nowadays. If we only count her feats, she wouldn't be better. :|

 

[Axiomus]

There shouldn't even be a debate between Erza and Mirajane. Erza has better feats than Mirajane in nearly every single arc, all the way back to Tenrou. The Alvarez Arc is perhaps the arc where the gap between the two was the largest. There shouldn't even be a debate between whose stronger between Mirajane and Natsu/Gray/Gajeel tiers. Both Natsu and Gray outperformed Mirajane during the Alvarez arc, and Gajeel scales to around their level based on his performance against Natsu. There reaaaally shouldn't be a debate between who is stronger between Mirajane and Laxus. Does anyone here think Laxus would run out of power fighting Juliet and Heine? Dude doesn't run out of power nuking Ajeel. Doesn't run out of power after killing Wall. Doesn't run out of power beating Hades. Doesn't even run out of power after being beaten up by Acnologia. Most of the magic power in Natsu's 7 fire dragon mode would have been Laxus'.

FDK mode is way overblown just to hype Jacob. The mode is just Natsu releasing Fire Dragon King flames. It doesn't create flames that are superior to, or even different from, regular Fire Dragon King flames. Unless FDK mode increases Natsu's magic power and he's literally able to pour more magic to make his flames hotter, then it doesn't increase his attack power. Even if I accept that FDK mode grants a boost to his FDK spells, it wouldn't be to the point where the passive heat from Natsu releasing the flames is greater than actually getting blasted by the flames in an FDK spell. Jacob was burning up just being near Natsu. The flames haven't even touched him, and Jacob is already on the verge of defeat.

Madmole was actually blasted by the flames of Demolition Fist. Madmole didn't just tank the blow, he was so tough that Natsu actually ended up hurting his own hand from the impact. Then Natsu tried to blasted Madmole with even hotter flames than the ones in Demolition Fist, and Madmole just stood back up. Trying to pretend that Jacob took it better than Madmole did is just silly. Jacob was out cold after Natsu hit him. Madmole was never even truly defeated.

Jacob is not beating Neinhart without transport. He's not getting past the Historia of Wall, God Serena, and Bloodman combined. It's going to take Jacob forever to accumulate enough damage to take out Neinhart. If Neinhart is enchanted, then Jacob is going to get cut trying to get close.

Cana was holding back against Mavis and it was never implied that she spammed Fairy Glitter 20 times. A single Fairy Glitter blast at full power can completely shatter the crystal. In any case, Jacob spammed half a dozen hits on Natsu and Lucy completely unanswered. They walked off his barrage of attacks without any apparent injury.

Wall's etherion doesn't have the same hype as the council's Etherion. Also, even if we completely ignore Etherion and the nuke that missed Laxus, the hits that Wall actually landed on Laxus are already more impressive than the attacks of any of Mirajane's opponents. Heck, even with the personality errors and goof-ups, Wall was STILL a more impressive fighter than Jacob or Juliet and Heine. Plus, I don't want to hear about Wall being stupid when Jacob closing his eyes because he can't handle cleavage is the grand-daddy of PIS. Wall can afford to make stupid decisions in battle because he hits hard. Jacob does not.

 

[WoWfan]

Rogue did not get power of feelings when he fought Gajeel, he was practically lost in motivation to fight.

Sting gained the strength of Larcade after eating his magic and became even stronger when he ate Rogue’s magic.

Actually with Sayla’s Unleashed command, there is a description that trading her defensive capabilities, she gains powerful attack capabilities, so yes Elfman was lucky enough to be around to get a hit in.

FDKM still increases his firepower as he managed to disintegrate a lake, while standard heat he releases causes steal to be releases and melts the surface of rock. And heat equates to energy, and in FDKM, Natsu released more energy than before.

Burning up is not the same as being burned, all we saw were his cloths melting, and even Jacob could not fight back in his position. With Madmole, his speciality is armor and was still burned by standard FDK technique, there was no indication that his flames where made hotter though than his standard heat, which Jacob by Natsu in FDKM did not. Besides, disintegrating a lake is more impressive than what Natsu did to madmole.

Wall’s Etherion is based on the radiation energy of each projectile that it has, MC Etherion is multi-continent level by the size of the explosion from space.

Cana never aimed at the crystal though, at the Spector of Mavis, she convinced Cana to not hold back, so we do not know how many times she went all out.

 

[One4All]

Ahlelele? You said that Azuma and Seilah will just be scrubbed by Mira? By what kind of her TO? Even if Mira can defeat Azuma,you think Historia Seilah can't use the "MACRO" which you were kind of obssessing with to Mira? And you claim that Macro can work on Erza and other strong opponents. We really don't know the fundamentals of Macro as we only saw Mira used it on a number of Alvarez soldiers. How about the other way around? What if Historia Seilah will macro Mira given that Mira is stronger than Seilah now? You think Mira will not be affected? If your answer is YES,then that's the hypocrisy. Nah,even if the historias are weaker than Mira on the final arc,a number of opponents who are not a fodder-level fighting with Mira together will still be able to give her a hard battle.

Well,I will change my opinion of Erza in not be able to defeat neinhart. She would be capable of defeating a low-tier S12 given that she's not at full power back then fighting Historias. And she only defeated Ajeel with the help of Jupiter,but I will not change my opinion on Mira. Things could've changed if Mira won on that Mira vs Jacob and they have fought at their full power and w/o Jacob closing his eyes. But,it didn't happen.

I hope you are not pairing Erza/Mira together against arguments with Laxus and Jellal to gain some sympathy from Erza fans considering that you were always against Erza being above Mira to the point of making her look like a fodder because you were saying she was overwhelmed by enchanted soldiers and couldn't even get up while Mira one-shotted enchanted swords using her strongest TO.

Also,you need to consider that even If Mira was a rival of Erza when they were very young,Mira STOPPED training or doing some magical work after that "fake death" of Lissana. Erza moved forward after that and kept working and training herself every arc while Mira stayed at the guild and serving the customers. The only time she stated she trained was that 1 year timeskip after the guild disbanded and that 3 months? before GMG. That's why she was always referred to as "former S-class wizard Mira-san" by Lucy on that battle vs. Executioners. Not to mention,that "hard battle?" description on the S-class exam board.

I am not saying Mira is weak because if we're going to argue about her against Lucy,Juvia or even Kagura and Minerva, or Wendy,I will choose her definitely (Well,I can see Wendy surpass her and becoming master enchanter at the end of this series but not now).But ,you were claiming about her against Erza,Jellal,Laxus,Natsu who have clearly surpassed her by mile.

 

[Seven777]

Etherion an actual country wiper is featless? Are you serious? Sky scorching spell featless? You mean the one Laxus was sweating bullets from?

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Lol, the downplay. Please show me one of Laxus feats that can compare to Etherion?

Significant charging? Lol, he was easily doing it and could have blasted Laxus to kingdom come if he didn't start a cliche villain monologue. It only took one panel to "charge"...

No, he did forget which is why charged Laxus with lightning. He even states he forgot so he already knew Laxus was the lightning ds.

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Leagues weaker yet he had way more powerful spells than Laxus has ever shown? Lmfao.

How? He stood there and took the attack... Laxus never blitzed him and he only was hit bcs he thought lightning couldn't effect him. The fact he couldn't read that RL was Mercury Fulminate was pure bs as he read through more complex things than Mercury Fulminate.

He was only able to do that bcs Wall was spamming fodder attacks... He literally missed or stopped every lethal shot he had. Overwhelmingly powerful? You mean when Wall matched him for blow to blow? And was kicking his butt across the city?

Wall literally had two chances to kill Laxus yet missed or stopped his lethal attacks. That already shows that if Wall, the guy with superior attacks, hit Laxus with his strongest attacks he would've been toast. The dude was in "heartless" mode yet was talking to Laxus and commending him for his efforts instead of just killing him. And Laxus never oneshotted Ajeel and Laxus only got Ajeel bcs he wasn't expecting Laxus to be that strong. Laxus literally has no answer to Sand World and would get killed bcs he has no way of blowing that much sand away let alone hitting Ajeel in it. If Ajeel wasn't cocky and let his guard down so much, he would be one of the strongest S12. S12 had to be written with big ego and arrogant attitudes bcs they would have slaughtered FT.

No, FT top tiers would be scrubbed by the high tier S12 lol.

Yes, featless. Spell size means nothing. The strongest spell in the series is the size of a small building if that.
Laxus was sweating because of MBPs kicking in, and yes, featless.
Yes, significant charging. Wahl could easily do it against Laxus because he was dying on the floor from magic cancer, and even then Laxus still stopped it.
That's the mangapanda translation, the official and mangastream translation makes no mention of Wahl forgetting anything. Wahl didn't know he's a DS.
Wahl doesn't have any powerful spells. Best he's got is Etherion, and thats only powerful in theory. Laxus casual nuke is stronger than anything he has.
Laxus bltized him, as he did consistently throughout the fight whenever he used Lightning Body. Whether Wahl stood there or tried to dodge, he was dead.
Yes, overwhelmingly more powerful, overwhelming Wahl in every part of the battle that mbps didn't interfere with, despite Wahl being immune to his magic.

Wahl had no chance to kill Laxus, he simply didn't have the power. Etherion might've done it, maybe, but Laxus countered it. Sand World? A pretty mediocre spell good for surprise attacks and hurting a weakened Erza but not much more. Bisca shot him right through it, Laxus could nuke him easy. Ajeel is weak, just like most of the other spriggan 12 and would've been oneshot by Laxus, despite Ajeel being the one to attack first. Laxus had the power to overwhelm the attack Ajeel shot at Christina and kill Ajeel all in one go. Laxus is a cut above Wahl, Ajeel and most spriggans, just like most FT top tiers are.

 

[Jko]

Erza at her "peak" would beat the crap out of Laxus and Jellal with only one hand. Erza at her peak is on another level than those two which have trash feats for their "peak" in comparison. If you wanr to bring out peaks then no one in a guild bar peak Natsu is a challenged to all might PIS Queen. Do you honestly take BS feats as peak feats? Lol, don't pick up a comicbook... "peak" Deathsrroke took down freaking Justice League members like the Flash, yeah a regular enhanced human took down the freaking Flash. Do you honestly think that would be a conskstent and non asspull feat that would be in a battle form debate? No, bcs it's pure bs.

FDKM >>> Base FDK. This was shown in the Zeref fight where he used to use FDKM to almost kill Zeref while his others hits couldn't even come close to it.

Historia Wall? You mean that weakass who couldn't even best Minerva? Historia Bloodman who couldn't even best Rogue? Historia Serena who gave Gild less diff than Bluenote? Sorry those three are getting oneshotted by Jacob who actually has his full power and no he doesn't even need transport. The hilarious downplay to think an H12 cab stand up to an actual S12 is ridiculous.

Wall's Etherion is the exact same as the council's Etherion. There is no such thing as an alt Etherion.

Wall's regular attacks were not that impressive. People from x784 era could produce the same level of attacks visual wise and they would've been slaughter worse than Bakel by freaking x792 Wendy lol. Jacob was besting Base Natsu with Lucy's help which is an impressive feat. Natsu's flames weren't even effecting him until Natdu went FDKM and even then he came out of that with only a few scratched up marks. FDKM by feats is far greater than partial END which burned Erza skin to the muscle. Also Natsu needed FDKM to down Jacob otherwise he wouldn't waste magic like that.

He used an attack of a way higher heat level on Jacob than he did Madmole and it only burned off Jacob's clothes, his actual body had only a few scratches and no burn marks while Madmole was burnt way past crispy fried lmao and again that was from a weaker attack. Madmole took time to get back up which means he was KOed for that moment. Jacob took a way higher attack better than Madmole the armor dragon.

Jacob outmuscled Natsu to the point he needed a distraction to get him off. And granddaddy PIS was stated by the Jacob himself to not effect his fighting capabilities as shown in the anime. You guys can hide behind the eyes closed all you want but when the opponent admits that doesn't hinder him then it doesn't. And being at a fraction of your actual power is a far worse then fighting with your closed (he can literally sense her presence and land hits on her ).

Also Wall is a freaking Robot. He should have never went retarded and his mishaps were always when Laxus was going to get killed so all the careless points were straight the granddaddy of PIS.

Y'all are so hypocritical. You first try to downplay Jacob, then you act like Laxus didn't survive bcs Wall went clinically retarded and missed every lethal hit despite making a 400km shot... Do you know how far 400km? That's a longer stretch than freaking North and South Carolina lol. And he misses a guy 20 feet away? Yeah granddaddy bs. Then you guys try to state Neinheart is stronger than Jacob when while he was enhanced was oneshotted by Natsu like an afterthought he was. Then you try to state Jellal can fight S12s bcs herp to derp he beat fodderheart who had zero Historia due Erza doing all the work and then fodderheart stood there waiting for Jellal to charge up a GC for a whole chapter. Erza and Mira aren't S12 but Jellal is? Lmfao.

I'm done with this discussion, you can have your opinions and hype up characters to kingdom come while downplaying others to kingdom come. I honestly don't care at this point and it's exhausting pointing out the same thing over and over and only to get sidesteps as rebuttals to my arguments.

This would be a 1000 pages of the same rinse and repeat things and I for one am not taking that trip. You do you and I do I, we are never going to reach a consensus therefore we can only do one thing which is agree to disagree. All I know is, I can point out bs for every S12 fight in the Alvarez arc and pointing out one over the other is hypocritical.

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Country wiper is just size lol...just lol.

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Ahlelele? You said that Azuma and Seilah will just be scrubbed by Mira? By what kind of her TO? Even if Mira can defeat Azuma,you think Historia Seilah can't use the "MACRO" which you were kind of obssessing with to Mira? And you claim that Macro can work on Erza and other strong opponents. We really don't know the fundamentals of Macro as we only saw Mira used it on a number of Alvarez soldiers. How about the other way around? What if Historia Seilah will macro Mira given that Mira is stronger than Seilah now? You think Mira will not be affected? If your answer is YES,then that's the hypocrisy. Nah,even if the historias are weaker than Mira on the final arc,a number of opponents who are not a fodder-level fighting with Mira together will still be able to give her a hard battle.

Well,I will change my opinion of Erza in not be able to defeat neinhart. She would be capable of defeating a low-tier S12 given that she's not at full power back then fighting Historias. And she only defeated Ajeel with the help of Jupiter,but I will not change my opinion on Mira. Things could've changed if Mira won on that Mira vs Jacob and they have fought at their full power and w/o Jacob closing his eyes. But,it didn't happen.

I hope you are not pairing Erza/Mira together against arguments with Laxus and Jellal to gain some sympathy from Erza fans considering that you were always against Erza being above Mira to the point of making her look like a fodder because you were saying she was overwhelmed by enchanted soldiers and couldn't even get up while Mira one-shotted enchanted swords using her strongest TO.

Also,you need to consider that even If Mira was a rival of Erza when they were very young,Mira STOPPED training or doing some magical work after that "fake death" of Lissana. Erza moved forward after that and kept working and training herself every arc while Mira stayed at the guild and serving the customers. The only time she stated she trained was that 1 year timeskip after the guild disbanded and that 3 months? before GMG. That's why she was always referred to as "former S-class wizard Mira-san" by Lucy on that battle vs. Executioners. Not to mention,that "hard battle?" description on the S-class exam board.

I am not saying Mira is weak because if we're going to argue about her against Lucy,Juvia or even Kagura and Minerva, or Wendy,I will choose her definitely (Well,I can see Wendy surpass her and becoming master enchanter at the end of this series but not now).But ,you were claiming about her against Erza,Jellal,Laxus,Natsu who have clearly surpassed her by mile.

Just want to say one thing, Macro doen't work on Mira...Lol, did you not read or watch her fight with Seilah in Tartarus?

 

[One4All]

Erza at her "peak" would beat the crap out of Laxus and Jellal with only one hand. Erza at her peak is on another level than those two which have trash feats for their "peak" in comparison. If you wanr to bring out peaks then no one in a guild bar peak Natsu is a challenged to all might PIS Queen. Do you honestly take BS feats as peak feats? Lol, don't pick up a comicbook... "peak" Deathsrroke took down freaking Justice League members like the Flash, yeah a regular enhanced human took down the freaking Flash. Do you honestly think that would be a conskstent and non asspull feat that would be in a battle form debate? No, bcs it's pure bs.

FDKM >>> Base FDK. This was shown in the Zeref fight where he used to use FDKM to almost kill Zeref while his others hits couldn't even come close to it.

Historia Wall? You mean that weakass who couldn't even best Minerva? Historia Bloodman who couldn't even best Rogue? Historia Serena who gave Gild less diff than Bluenote? Sorry those three are getting oneshotted by Jacob who actually has his full power and no he doesn't even need transport. The hilarious downplay to think an H12 cab stand up to an actual S12 is ridiculous.

Wall's Etherion is the exact same as the council's Etherion. There is no such thing as an alt Etherion.

Wall's regular attacks were not that impressive. People from x784 era could produce the same level of attacks visual wise and they would've been slaughter worse than Bakel by freaking x792 Wendy lol. Jacob was besting Base Natsu with Lucy's help which is an impressive feat. Natsu's flames weren't even effecting him until Natdu went FDKM and even then he came out of that with only a few scratched up marks. FDKM by feats is far greater than partial END which burned Erza skin to the muscle. Also Natsu needed FDKM to down Jacob otherwise he wouldn't waste magic like that.

Burning up is not the same as being burned? Wtf? You are not even making sense... He used an attack of a way higher heat level on Jacob than he did Madmole and it only burned off Jacob's clothes, his actual body had only a few scratches and no burn marks while Madmole was burnt way past crispy fried lmao and again that was from a weaker attack.

Jacob outmuscled Natsu to the point he needed a distraction to get him off. And granddaddy PIS was stated by the Jacob himself to not effect his fighting capabilities as shown in the anime. You guys can hide behind the eyes closed all you want but when the opponent admits that doesn't hinder him then it doesn't. And being at a fraction of your actual power is a far worse then fighting with your closed (he can literally sense her presence and land hits on her ).

Also Wall is a freaking Robot. He should have never went retarded and his mishaps were always when Laxus was going to get killed so all the careless points were straight the granddaddy of PIS.

Y'all are so hypocritical. You first try to downplay Jacob, then you act like Laxus didn't survive bcs Wall went clinically retarded and missed every lethal hit despite making a 400km shot... Do you know how far 400km? That's a longer stretch than freaking North and South Carolina lol. And he misses a guy 20 feet away? Yeah granddaddy bs. Then you guys try to state Neinheart is stronger than Jacob when while he was enhanced was oneshotted by Natsu like an afterthought he was. Then you try to state Jellal can fight S12s bcs herp to derp he beat fodderheart who had zero Historia due Erza doing all the work and then fodderheart stood there waiting for Jellal to charge up a GC for a whole chapter. Erza and Mira aren't S12 but Jellal is? Lmfao.

I'm done with this discussion, you can have your opinions and hype up characters to kingdom come while downplaying others to kingdom come. I honestly don't care at this point and it's exhausting pointing out the same thing over and over and only to get sidesteps as rebuttals to my arguments.

This would be a 1000 pages of the same rinse and repeat things and I for one am not taking that trip. You do you and I do I, we are never going to reach a consensus therefore we can only do one thing which is agree to disagree. All I know is, I can point out bs for every S12 fight in the Alvarez arc and pointing out one over the other is hypocritical.

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Country wiper is just size lol...just lol.

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Just want to say one thing, Macro doen't work on Mira...Lol, did you not read or watch her fight with Seilah in Tartarus?

And Mira said that she can't somehow overtake Seilah that's why she used her Sitri and challenged Seilah,only to get stomped by Seilah when she used her Etherious mode. And yet she somehow took her soul?lol.


We won't reach a consensus when you are ignoring the facts already presented to you. All I can see is that you are trying your best to put your idol on top of all characters and even the(MC himself),as if she was the true MC of this series,who keeps on surpassing her guildmates and other strong characters like any other Shonen manga. When in fact,she was only a side character.

And you seem to be the type who doesn't want to lose on an argument. But oh well,we don't need to get stressed and take this arguments to heart. They are only fictional characters. As long as all of us are happy and love this series and its characters,FT wins.

P.S.: I hope Hiro can make a reasonable FT ranking at the end of this series so that we can finally put an end to this together with the series. What Hiro wants,what we readers get.

 

[Axiomus]

Regardless of whether Erza is at her peak or not, she's still above Mirajane. Erza's feats throughout the series are consistently better than Mirajanes, and the Alvarez Arc is no exception. Mirajane ran out of power fighting Juliet and Heine, and then Irene used the remaining power in the swords to tie her up and torture her. Erza fought Ajeel and then Neinhart. The next day, she stopped Natsu and Gray's all out attack and then fought Irene herself. Even excluding the meteor splitting feat Erza was dodging Irene's attacks, tanking her nukes, and landing shots. The fact that Erza never ran out of magic and could actually provide some sort of a fight against Irene speaks for itself.

The fight with Zeref doesn't prove anything. Natsu was not using any FDK flames against Zeref until he entered the mode. Those were just regular fire dragon attacks. This only proves that FDK mode is stronger than regular fire dragon attacks, which is already obvious because FDK mode generates Fire Dragon King flames.

Wall's etherion is not the same as the council's etherion. Just they have the same magic, doesn't mean that both are equally powerful. It's not like there isn't precedence for etherion varying in power. In Rave Master, Elie's etherion varies greatly in power. It goes from universal when it's used to it's full potential to regular blasts like this. Speaking of which, Elie's etherion blast here is way larger than Wall's Etherion. It's not a country buster.

Spoiler: Elie's etherion

Wall's attacks were literally sending Laxus flying through the streets. Jacob's attacks barely did anything. Not just to Natsu, but also against Lucy. Pinning Natsu simply isn't very impressive when Natsu is not going all out, and it's a canon fact that Natsu held back for fear of damaging the guild. The strongest attack that Natsu used against Jacob was the the kick that he combo'd with regulus Lucy kick. If Natsu was willing to use punches as strong as the one Makarov used, and he easily could, he would have sent Jacob flying. Wall's punches could match Laxus', and Laxus' punches would match Natsu's at his best.

Jacob was burning up simply by being near the Natsu as he's releasing FDK flames from his mode. The flames haven't even came in contact with Jacob yet. Even if Natsu hadn't hit Jacob with the demolition fist, there wasn't anything Jacob could have done. He would just be writhing in pain simply by being close to Natsu. Madmole was blasted by the actual flames of demolition fist, and took it like a champ. Then Madmole was blasted by flames hotter than the ones Natsu used in the previous demolition fist, and took that like a champ as well. It's utterly ridiculous saying that Jacob took it better than Madmole did. Just look at them side by side. Jacob is reduced to his underwear and unconscious with his legs over his head. He spends the rest of the day out of commission. Madmole jumps right back up on Skullion's orders, and is standing there ready to go for another round. Far from being "handily defeated" like Jacob was, Madmole wasn't even defeated at all.

The fact that Jacob cannot handle cleavage (not even bare boobs) and chose to close his own eyes for the entire fight is the grand-daddy of PIS. Literally nobody else would purposely choose to handicap themselves for such a stupid reason. What was so bad about Wall? He made "human mistakes" by missing a few shots and got arrogant? He didn't match his own insane record feat of unparalleled range and accuracy? A feat that Jacob can't even dream of matching in the first place? Wall was still impressive even if he missed the blast that lit up the sky and never fired etherion. Every individual attack that Wall didn't miss is still more impressive than every attack that Jacob has ever used combined. Even with Wall having a breakdown, he is still more impressive than Jacob at hand to hand combat. And I'm not even getting into the fact that Wall has bullets and missiles, while Jacob is trying to whack people with a whip. Even Lucy stopped using a whip when she got her star dress, and she had the best whips in the series.

Jellal beat Neinhart did he not? Is Neinhart not a Spriggan? Then Jellal fought August. Then Jellal fought Acnologia. Now Jellal is fighting Laxus, who definitely can fight a Spriggan. Give me one reason why Jellal wouldn't be able to fight a Spriggan just as well as anyone else. You honestly think that if Jellal had to fight the same version of Jacob that Mirajane had to, that he wouldn't immediately dominate Jacob with the series of attacks he used on Acnologia?

 

[Jko]

And Mira said that she can't somehow overtake Seilah that's why she used her Sitri and challenged Seilah,only to get stomped by Seilah when she used her Etherious mode. And yet she somehow took her soul?lol.


We won't reach a consensus when you are ignoring the facts already presented to you. All I can see is that you are trying your best to put your idol on top of all characters and even the(MC himself),as if she was the true MC of this series,who keeps on surpassing her guildmates and other strong characters like any other Shonen manga. When in fact,she was only a side character.

And you seem to be the type who doesn't want to lose on an argument. But oh well,we don't need to get stressed and take this arguments to heart. They are only fictional characters. As long as all of us are happy and love this series and its characters,FT wins.

P.S.: I hope Hiro can make a reasonable FT ranking at the end of this series so that we can finally put an end to this together with the series. What Hiro wants,what we readers get.

Mira is not even my favorite character lol. And Mira learned to takeover Etherious souls while Macro has never ever worked on Mira. You are not even making any sense. The rest of your post... I won't even go into bcs it's nonsense.

 

[WoWfan]

Wall’s Etherion equal to large country by radiation energy while MC Etherion equals to Multi-continent by the sheer size of it. In Rave the Max we can see in strength is large country from overdrive. It does not really matter as all attacks are scaled to each other via Spriggans (besides Larcade August and Irene) scale to each other. Madmole was blasted by regular FDK flames, no indication he made them hotter. He just could not finish him with average blunt force. Jacob could still see as he can hit people with his eyes closed, his flaw is not even exclusive in Fairy Tail.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Madmole was blasted by regular FDK flames, no indication he made them hotter.

He made the flame hotter to bypass his heat resistance.

 

[LaGOAT]

Mira is not even my favorite character lol. And Mira learned to takeover Etherious souls while Macro has never ever worked on Mira. You are not even making any sense. The rest of your post... I won't even go into bcs it's nonsense.

Bro I just wanna to know in what way wahl was superior? U said wahl missed Shots on laxus? show me panel where wahl missed Laxus? if ur talking about the blast the Scraped laxus shirt then ur sadly mistaken laxus clearly dodge that. Wahl attacks wasn’t just powerful enough to take down a weaken laxus also the whole entire fight laxus had the upper hand. The only time wahl had a free shot is when Laxus was dying even then he had enough time to write the runes before etherion was charging up. Im just trying to understand when was wahl actually dominant in the fight.

 

[WoWfan]

He made the flame hotter to bypass his heat resistance.

He never said that he made his flames hotter, just “Can it take the heat?” Madmole said his armor is heat resistance out of desperation where as Natsu replied “My heat can overwhelm anything!” None of that indicated increased heat

 

[GL_Nova]

Rogue did not get power of feelings when he fought Gajeel, he was practically lost in motivation to fight.

Sting gained the strength of Larcade after eating his magic and became even stronger when he ate Rogue’s magic.

Actually with Sayla’s Unleashed command, there is a description that trading her defensive capabilities, she gains powerful attack capabilities, so yes Elfman was lucky enough to be around to get a hit in.

FDKM still increases his firepower as he managed to disintegrate a lake, while standard heat he releases causes steal to be releases and melts the surface of rock. And heat equates to energy, and in FDKM, Natsu released more energy than before.

Burning up is not the same as being burned, all we saw were his cloths melting, and even Jacob could not fight back in his position. With Madmole, his speciality is armor and was still burned by standard FDK technique, there was no indication that his flames where made hotter though than his standard heat, which Jacob by Natsu in FDKM did not. Besides, disintegrating a lake is more impressive than what Natsu did to madmole.

Wall’s Etherion is based on the radiation energy of each projectile that it has, MC Etherion is multi-continent level by the size of the explosion from space.

Cana never aimed at the crystal though, at the Spector of Mavis, she convinced Cana to not hold back, so we do not know how many times she went all out.

Who decided that about Etherion?

 

[WoWfan]

Which one?

 

[GL_Nova]

Erza at her "peak" would beat the crap out of Laxus and Jellal with only one hand. Erza at her peak is on another level than those two which have trash feats for their "peak" in comparison. If you wanr to bring out peaks then no one in a guild bar peak Natsu is a challenged to all might PIS Queen. Do you honestly take BS feats as peak feats? Lol, don't pick up a comicbook... "peak" Deathsrroke took down freaking Justice League members like the Flash, yeah a regular enhanced human took down the freaking Flash. Do you honestly think that would be a conskstent and non asspull feat that would be in a battle form debate? No, bcs it's pure bs.

FDKM >>> Base FDK. This was shown in the Zeref fight where he used to use FDKM to almost kill Zeref while his others hits couldn't even come close to it.

Historia Wall? You mean that weakass who couldn't even best Minerva? Historia Bloodman who couldn't even best Rogue? Historia Serena who gave Gild less diff than Bluenote? Sorry those three are getting oneshotted by Jacob who actually has his full power and no he doesn't even need transport. The hilarious downplay to think an H12 cab stand up to an actual S12 is ridiculous.

Wall's Etherion is the exact same as the council's Etherion. There is no such thing as an alt Etherion.

Wall's regular attacks were not that impressive. People from x784 era could produce the same level of attacks visual wise and they would've been slaughter worse than Bakel by freaking x792 Wendy lol. Jacob was besting Base Natsu with Lucy's help which is an impressive feat. Natsu's flames weren't even effecting him until Natdu went FDKM and even then he came out of that with only a few scratched up marks. FDKM by feats is far greater than partial END which burned Erza skin to the muscle. Also Natsu needed FDKM to down Jacob otherwise he wouldn't waste magic like that.

He used an attack of a way higher heat level on Jacob than he did Madmole and it only burned off Jacob's clothes, his actual body had only a few scratches and no burn marks while Madmole was burnt way past crispy fried lmao and again that was from a weaker attack. Madmole took time to get back up which means he was KOed for that moment. Jacob took a way higher attack better than Madmole the armor dragon.

Jacob outmuscled Natsu to the point he needed a distraction to get him off. And granddaddy PIS was stated by the Jacob himself to not effect his fighting capabilities as shown in the anime. You guys can hide behind the eyes closed all you want but when the opponent admits that doesn't hinder him then it doesn't. And being at a fraction of your actual power is a far worse then fighting with your closed (he can literally sense her presence and land hits on her ).

Also Wall is a freaking Robot. He should have never went retarded and his mishaps were always when Laxus was going to get killed so all the careless points were straight the granddaddy of PIS.

Y'all are so hypocritical. You first try to downplay Jacob, then you act like Laxus didn't survive bcs Wall went clinically retarded and missed every lethal hit despite making a 400km shot... Do you know how far 400km? That's a longer stretch than freaking North and South Carolina lol. And he misses a guy 20 feet away? Yeah granddaddy bs. Then you guys try to state Neinheart is stronger than Jacob when while he was enhanced was oneshotted by Natsu like an afterthought he was. Then you try to state Jellal can fight S12s bcs herp to derp he beat fodderheart who had zero Historia due Erza doing all the work and then fodderheart stood there waiting for Jellal to charge up a GC for a whole chapter. Erza and Mira aren't S12 but Jellal is? Lmfao.

I'm done with this discussion, you can have your opinions and hype up characters to kingdom come while downplaying others to kingdom come. I honestly don't care at this point and it's exhausting pointing out the same thing over and over and only to get sidesteps as rebuttals to my arguments.

This would be a 1000 pages of the same rinse and repeat things and I for one am not taking that trip. You do you and I do I, we are never going to reach a consensus therefore we can only do one thing which is agree to disagree. All I know is, I can point out bs for every S12 fight in the Alvarez arc and pointing out one over the other is hypocritical.

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Country wiper is just size lol...just lol.

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Just want to say one thing, Macro doen't work on Mira...Lol, did you not read or watch her fight with Seilah in Tartarus?

Erza needs PIS to even challenge the same lvl opponents as Laxus and Jellal. She needed her whole squad for Hades, Laxus challenges him alone. Mira was clear they couldn’t take Jura as a team, Laxus takes him down after Jellal makes him flex. Her performance against Ajeel, Laxus no diffing him. Irene was entirely PIS. Soooo

You realize people use that feat of Slade defeating the league all the time. An if that bothers you, steer clear of his recent match with the Teen Titans

I doubt anyone is confused on that issue, but your insistence that it justifies your inflation of Jacob’s lvl is kinda laughable bro. He did fail to take down Lucy with his h2h, and lost to a base Mira, and he wasn’t a historia like Wahl and Bloodman were.

Neither of whom are weak characters. The fact that their weakened historias were a challenge to Rogue and Minerva, who’s the most recent and realistic Erza Rival only makes the effortless loss to Laxus more impressive.

We agree here, though I don’t know how you can see Wahl admit that he felt an Etherion blast (at worst country lvl, at peak continental problem) to kill a sick and already dying Laxus and that’s somehow a Wahl feat...

There weren’t any regular attacks comparable to what we see in this arc. Any that come close are all ultimate spells. Trying to conflate them is, again, laughable. It only points out that Wahl’s basic attacks are that impressive and did nothing to keep him from getting murdered.

So do we ignore that the entirety of the fight happened in the guild hall and Natsu even held back against Zeref in an attempt not to destroy it? An that it was implicitly stated during his take down of Jacob?

Headcannon. He used a never before seen FDK spell on Madmole. This whole paragraph is dead in the water bro.

How does this help your case? Closing his eyes is not a handicap, so base Mira beat Jacob at full strength. An Mira is the weakest S class mage in FT. Jacob stronger than Wahl my ass

He didn’t go retarded though. He goes into assault mode and tried to kill Laxus in his decoded time, and fails. He then reacts like any machine whose programming is proven false. Real question, what do you think he could have done to survive that attack if he hadn’t “gone retarded”?

No, you keep trying to act like Laxus didn’t have control of the entire exchange. An didn’t dodge those attacks, which matches the clear difference in strength and speed shown throughout the battle. Hence why you’re standing alone on that Island trying to explain how this isn’t as impressive as everybody else saw it was clearly meant to be. Again, why are you so invested in proving this was about Wahl not being at peak, when it’s clearly written as him not holding a candle to Laxus even with the elemental advantage and Laxus literally dying.

 

[WoWfan]

Erza managed to relatively tank Laxus’ lightning during BoF, so all she needs is Lightning Empress Armor and she should be good to go. Irene beat Erza so they would be fine.

Laxus only is weakened when he gets those random attacks, which he would still operate at functional capacity from time to time.

There is hardly any confusion here as Spriggans are relatively on the same level as each other compared to God Serena.

Wall’s Etherion would be around Large Country from Radiation Energy calc and MC Etherion would be around Multi-Continent from size of explosion.

Never before seen spell does not make it any more impressive than any other standard FDK technique. Mira while likely low on the scale, is not any where weak.

Machines tend to malfunction at times, it is natural, and there would have been no way he had time to adapt to a lightning attack that was at point blank at him.

 

[GL_Nova]

Which one?

Either. The idea that Wahl’s is somehow weaker than the councils. Figured that false narrative would die after the episode aired and showed his Etherion was complete, including the orbiting spell seals.

An it has long since been put to rest the idea that Ellie’s Etherion isn’t planetary. In the same exchange posted, Raregrove comments that she’s controlling that planet destroying power and condensing it.

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Erza managed to relatively tank Laxus’ lightning during BoF, so all she needs is Lightning Empress Armor and she should be good to go. Irene beat Erza so they would be fine.

Laxus only is weakened when he gets those random attacks, which he would still operate at functional capacity from time to time.

There is hardly any confusion here as Spriggans are relatively on the same level as each other compared to God Serena.

Wall’s Etherion would be around Large Country from Radiation Energy calc and MC Etherion would be around Multi-Continent from size of explosion.

Never before seen spell does not make it any more impressive than any other standard FDK technique. Mira while likely low on the scale, is not any where weak.

Machines tend to malfunction at times, it is natural, and there would have been no way he had time to adapt to a lightning attack that was at point blank at him.

Those for me or him?

 

[WoWfan]

I agree that Wall's Etherion was weaker as the two were using different means to achieve high level explosive, though Wall was using a magic version of Magnetic Confinement Fusion, while MC's Etherion was using some other fusion method. I don't know how destructive would Ellie's Etherion would be when activated when it means "Destroying the planet"

in general

 

[Jko]

Bro I just wanna to know in what way wahl was superior? U said wahl missed Shots on laxus? show me panel where wahl missed Laxus? if ur talking about the blast the Scraped laxus shirt then ur sadly mistaken laxus clearly dodge that. Wahl attacks wasn’t just powerful enough to take down a weaken laxus also the whole entire fight laxus had the upper hand. The only time wahl had a free shot is when Laxus was dying even then he had enough time to write the runes before etherion was charging up. Im just trying to understand when was wahl actually dominant in the fight.

Look in the panel I showed prior. Wall literally says he miscalculated the shot... And that fireball should've exploded on contact from his shirt. Two fails in a single attack lol.

Wall was dominant when he landed multiple hits on Laxus...in succession at that.

A heartless robot was doing a cliche villain monologue instead of killing Laxus right then and there...He also went clinically retarded and stood there for the hit bcs he couldn't analyze a known chemical compound and thought he was safe from it bcs it was lightning. If Wall was actually heartless he would've nuked the entire place and killed Laxus from the go. Laxus has inferior firepower therefore he's inferior.

Man, I'm repeating the same things... Fact of the matter is, Wall was straight PIS from killing Laxus and that was clearly evident in the fight where the robot was not fighting on the caliber he was shown to produce...

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Why the hell is Rave Master even being brought up? That's an entirely different verse... Etherion in FT is vastly different then RM's Etherion which had way more capabilities and applications than just blowing things up. At least stay within the parameters of the verse and not stem into other universes.