Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

Which side are you on?

  • Team Spriggan 12

    Votes: 48 51.6%
  • Team Diabolos/Dragon Eaters

    Votes: 45 48.4%

  • Total voters
    93

Livinbreathineatin

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
May 21, 2019
Messages
286
Reaction score
391
Age
25
Country
United Kingdom
Conclusion: Mirajane fans should read all the manga again and read it with the official translation.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

" None of that is confirmation about what you said. All that tells us is that the Takeover was successful and Mira took control of Macro. Mira made physical contact to take control of the ability. Also, Mira punched Seilah instead because otherwise it would be a back and forth of both of them using Macro. It would be a never ending battle of just giving order."



Omg, are you blind enough to EVER think that Mirajane absorbed the macro? Why does she need to transform in Mirajane Sayla to use Macro nowadays if she already has it in human form? Because she loves to spend mp without being needed, right? *_*
Since when Take Over absorbs spells/curses?

I'm done. Mirajane fans are more alienated than I thought.
I’m pretty sure Mirajane-Seilah would be better at using Macro than human Mira, don’t you think?

Macro is the one ability she has plus Limit Release (which she can only activate with Macro btw). Macro is a part of her, so Mira took control of that part and got it.

Seilah felt a drain of power. She didn’t feel that she gave a person an order. Mira took Macro and ordered Elfman.

Oh by the way, Seilah said to Mira only she can give orders. If Mira used Macro from
GMG Jura > Mystogan = Current Mirajane

Current Mirajane is around Edolas Erza level.
Edolas? Really? After all the new power ups she acquired throughout the series, you think Mira is only on par with Edolas Erza? Mira has Tartarus demons but she could only beat Erza from the Edolas arc?

Current Mira is equal to Mystogan.... wow. That’s awful.
 

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
835
Reaction score
1,507
Age
30
Country
United States
Mira could be anywhere on the power scale really. Alegria never really got a fair shake since Hiro had her waste it's power on grunts. Irene did refer to it as "fearsome"
 

Seven777

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Sep 16, 2016
Messages
5,568
Reaction score
10,567
Age
31
Country
Australia
Mira has the offense to take down a spriggan, and pretty much everyone has the durability to tank their attacks, so Mira should be more or less spriggan tier
 

Ebony Maw

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
May 8, 2016
Messages
1,995
Reaction score
8,124
Gender
Male
Country
Sabertooth
Mira has the offense to take down a spriggan, and pretty much everyone has the durability to tank their attacks, so Mira should be more or less spriggan tier
Which 'tier' of Spriggan tier though? I agree she can probably take the likes of Ajeel and Neinhart (who I consider low-tier) but things get way more dubious when you start looking at the likes of Wahl, Bradman, Jacob (Transport is the only problem for Mira, otherwise he's with Ajeel/Neinhart) and Goddy.
 

Jhonatas Fernandes

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
568
Reaction score
506
Age
32
Country
Brazil
Mirajane can't use macro in human form. -.-'

Sayla felt dreined because Take Over is a magic that subdues the creature to put it under the control of the TO user.

I will not explain the obvious. Read again the fight with the oficial translation and if you are able to see things whitout try to worship Mirajane ever you will you see that she gave the order when was "inside" Sayla's body through TO magic.

End of history.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Which 'tier' of Spriggan tier though? I agree she can probably take the likes of Ajeel and Neinhart (who I consider low-tier) but things get way more dubious when you start looking at the likes of Wahl, Bradman, Jacob (Transport is the only problem for Mira, otherwise he's with Ajeel/Neinhart) and Goddy.
Neinhart she only wins If he plays dumb and didn't hide himself. He "defeated" Erza, so....
 

WoWfan

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
7,016
Reaction score
2,554
Country
Imperium of Mankind
Mira did use Macro in human form though, she just could not use it on Sayla at the moment.

Mira would scale to average Spriggan which is 9 out of 12 Spriggans
 

Jhonatas Fernandes

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
568
Reaction score
506
Age
32
Country
Brazil
Mira did use Macro in human form though, she just could not use it on Sayla at the moment.

Mira would scale to average Spriggan which is 9 out of 12 Spriggans
Didn't use.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

It's pretty obvious the she only used It when was touching Sayla and using TO on her. Mirajane even said "That's why I GAVE the order" GAVE, past tense. She did it before Sayla put her away stoping the touch.
--- Double Post Merged, ---

Take Over is not a magic that absorbes "spells". It controls and absorbs the creature itself.
 

WoWfan

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
7,016
Reaction score
2,554
Country
Imperium of Mankind
Sayla’s Macro was being taken over, the basic principle is to know your enemy, it can even replicate what was being taken over, even as a product of a spell, when she touched her, she gave the command when away from Sayla for Elfman to come and help them

Also Mira said “I” not “made you” gave the order, which would make sens on your end if she did make Sayla use Macro, and not Mira
 
Last edited:

Ebony Maw

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
May 8, 2016
Messages
1,995
Reaction score
8,124
Gender
Male
Country
Sabertooth
Neinhart she only wins If he plays dumb and didn't hide himself. He "defeated" Erza, so....
Depends on the Historias he summons tbh.

I guess he can technically summon the Historias he did against Erza, but Mira can get to him far faster than Erza and has a better chance of one-shotting.
 

Jhonatas Fernandes

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
568
Reaction score
506
Age
32
Country
Brazil
Sayla’s Macro was being taken over, the basic principle is to know your enemy, it can even replicate what was being taken over, even as a product of a spell, when she touched her, she gave the command when away from Sayla for Elfman to come and help them

Also Mira said “I” not “made you” gave the order, which would make sens on your end if she did make Sayla use Macro, and not Mira
Nope.
Mirajane was trying to TO Sayla, but she can't because Sayla is too strong, she only was able to TO her Macro and it only and when was touching her.
Mirajane would have to use macro at last once in her human form and without the context that I'm saying to what you are saying makes sense.


-
Doesn't need to Mirajane say that. She touch Sayla and Sayla felt her inside her and she even stated that she GAVE the order (in the past) in this moment. So it was obvious what happened there. Basic interpretation.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Depends on the Historias he summons tbh.

I guess he can technically summon the Historias he did against Erza, but Mira can get to him far faster than Erza and has a better chance of one-shotting.
What? She can't. And Erza could use the Nakagami to cut the Historias, maybe they disappeared because they're spells, I don't know if it would really work.
 

WoWfan

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
7,016
Reaction score
2,554
Country
Imperium of Mankind
Not true as Elfman can even maintain his takeover even after letting go of his target, so it can be used even without touching. And it can be used non verbally as shown when Elfman started choking Lisanna and could have said that after taking over Sayla, using macro does not drain Sayla before so why would it be different now? It would be something taken from her or replicated in this case.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Nakagami drains magic which would leave her exposed to an attack
 

Ebony Maw

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
May 8, 2016
Messages
1,995
Reaction score
8,124
Gender
Male
Country
Sabertooth
What? She can't. And Erza could use the Nakagami to cut the Historias, maybe they disappeared because they're spells, I don't know if it would really work.
Mira can fly, that said this only matters if Neinhart is up high like he was against Erza.

Tbh this match up comes down to two things, the Historias he can summon and whether he can get them out before Mira transforms. If Neinhart summons a combination like the one he did against Erza I could see him winning, but with this being said even then I'm not sure because Curses have failed on Mira before (Macro didn't work due to her Demonic nature). Whether this would extend to other Curses not working on her I'm unsure, but its something to consider.

One thing is for certain though, if Neinhart's Historias aren't that effective at fighting Mira, or he just doesn't summon them fast enough, he's dead meat.
 

Jhonatas Fernandes

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
568
Reaction score
506
Age
32
Country
Brazil
How is it outside the curve? We’ve established that Slayers are the stronger mages in any given match up, and he had the correct elements to give him an advantage over damn near anybody. We know for a fact Jura would be low key useless against him because of Cavern Dragon
Of course is outside the curve!
Do you really think that Erza and Wendy are stronger than Jura, Warrod, Wolfheim, and Draculus combined? Because Erza and Wendy could damage Irene when Jura + GoI barely made a scratch in God Serena.
God Serena isn't portrayed as a super-strong Spriggan, he is a ''regular'' Spriggan. The rank is: August, Irene > Larcade >others (God Serena is put over here). So how does it make sense GS's fight?

Irene who is a DS too and far strong than God Serena was with difficulty to deal with Erza. She had to change to dragon form. And the strongest wizards from the continent couldn't even damage God Serena? And they already knew about God Serena's power!

It's horrible. Illogic. God Serena defeated the strongest group on the Ishgal side, he did better even than August, August was damage by Gildarts + Cana while GS defeated 4 strong mages without receiving any damage.

-
In practice, Laxus alone should be able to challenge GS and make a good fight. Laxus has the power to defeat a Spriggan and is strong :|
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Mira can fly, that said this only matters if Neinhart is up high like he was against Erza.

Tbh this match up comes down to two things, the Historias he can summon and whether he can get them out before Mira transforms. If Neinhart summons a combination like the one he did against Erza I could see him winning, but with this being said even then I'm not sure because Curses have failed on Mira before (Macro didn't work due to her Demonic nature). Whether this would extend to other Curses not working on her I'm unsure, but its something to consider.

One thing is for certain though, if Neinhart's Historias aren't that effective at fighting Mira, or he just doesn't summon them fast enough, he's dead meat.
Erza can fly too. She has flying armors o.o

Macro didn't work because Mirajane has the power to control demons. Macro worked on Minerva, who was a demonic creature. Mirajane, actually, is only immune to Macro and not to others curses. Kyouka's curse worked on her, she was hit by it.
 
Last edited:

WoWfan

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
7,016
Reaction score
2,554
Country
Imperium of Mankind
it is not that slayers are or not really strong, it is just their magic are antithesis to their respective targets, which their targets could still tank and overcome if the slayer is weak in comparison.
 

Seven777

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Sep 16, 2016
Messages
5,568
Reaction score
10,567
Age
31
Country
Australia
Which 'tier' of Spriggan tier though? I agree she can probably take the likes of Ajeel and Neinhart (who I consider low-tier) but things get way more dubious when you start looking at the likes of Wahl, Bradman, Jacob (Transport is the only problem for Mira, otherwise he's with Ajeel/Neinhart) and Goddy.
All tiers, even Larcade. These days I don't really consider the spriggans all that different from each other, other than August and Eileen of course. For me Wahl is just as weak as Ajeel. Dimaria and God Serena are the only spriggans that really impressed me, and even then that's only because they were stomping weaklings. Doesn't mean she'd beat all spriggans though, just that I consider her more or less on they're level.
 

WoWfan

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
7,016
Reaction score
2,554
Country
Imperium of Mankind
L’arcade is stronger than the other Spriggans though. Even considering the other Spriggans are around Country-Large Country level
 

Ebony Maw

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
May 8, 2016
Messages
1,995
Reaction score
8,124
Gender
Male
Country
Sabertooth
All tiers, even Larcade. These days I don't really consider the spriggans all that different from each other, other than August and Eileen of course. For me Wahl is just as weak as Ajeel. Dimaria and God Serena are the only spriggans that really impressed me, and even then that's only because they were stomping weaklings. Doesn't mean she'd beat all spriggans though, just that I consider her more or less on they're level.
Personally I think Larcade is at the very least above all of the Spriggans bar DiMaria (and even then I'm iffy on that because he was portrayed as stronger... though I also subscribe to the logic of feats > portrayal so this is a grey area for me, Age Seal is crazy but I can't remember whether it was confirmed to be able to stop the likes of Laxus in it, I would think not though given that E.N.D just straight up said no to it).

Larcade's hax are just way too good. His Orgasm Magic is pretty much a win button, his Hunger Magic leaves opponents worn out and his Slumber Magic ends fights quickly. This dude crippled a whole battlefield including Gildarts and Laxus, and it didn't seem like it was particularly strenuous on his part. There's also the fact that he went up against his complete counter and still almost won. As much as I love that fight Sting was only ever competing because he was immune to Larcade's win button and could eat the tentacles that would get rid of said immunity. Even the ending of that fight was caused by immense luck on Sting's part. Now yes, you can argue that Sting isn't particularly powerful (I peg him as Historia S12 level), but he was amped by Rogue (I have WSDM Sting as mid-S12), immune to his orgasm hax, and had a solution to his only other "I win" button. Before Rogue gave Sting the power up he was clearly losing even despite the massive advantage he had on Larcade. I don't think there's any other Spriggan except Larcade that pulled off such a good performance against their direct counter.

As for the part about the regular S12's not being all that different... I can see what you mean because the variety of hax makes them hard to rank, but I don't think its to the level that they're on par with each other. Since you used Ajeel and Wahl as the example, I'll try and use them too.

So Ajeel's got a couple of things going for him, his sand body makes him immune to physical attacks, he's got a city-wide sand attack and he can use it to sift around on the battlefield. His sand can also drain moisture from the victim. Impressive? Maybe, but I'd argue Wahl is the harder combatant to fight. His Weakness Magic allows him to alter himself to become a counter to what he's facing, he can make weapons from thin air (Alchemy) and his damage output is dramatically more impressive. Their performances also show a difference in strength to me too, Ajeel's fight with Erza was impressive but his Sand Body mitigated a fair bit of what Erza could use (Wind/Water were the only useful Requips aside from Nakagami). He then went on to lose to Elfman and Lisanna.

Wahl on the other hand fought a half-dying Laxus. This sounds bad but despite his condition the man still had top tier MP within the FT guild. That means a half-dying Laxus is somehow on par with the likes of Gray and Erza when looking at pure MP even in his condition. He was also showing impressive speed and strength, perhaps more so than Erza during her fight, as I can't see her replicating Laxus' bullet dodging. Regardless though, Wahl put in a good performance and showcased a number of qualities. The first is that to beat him you have to be a versatile mage, if you only have one type of Magic he's going to stomp you. Second is that he's decent in CQC and has a massive arsenal of firepower. Third is that if things are looking bad he isn't like the other Spriggans where they just default to their nuke, Wahl enters a peak version of himself where everything about him is tailor-made to kill the opponent. Admittedly though, his actual durability is somewhat hard to tell as yes Laxus did one-shot and kill him once he got passed the immunity, but Machina are apparently just that vulnerable to electricity. What shouldn't be overlooked about that scenario is that it was a healthy Laxus that killed Wahl. Laxus at the start of the arc would have killed Ajeel with one nameless nuke if we are to believe August (and we really have no reason not to believe this). So Wahl, a being inherently weak to lightning, being killed by Laxus' named and seemingly very powerful spell is nothing to hold against him.

For these reasons I can't put Ajeel and Wahl in the same tier. Wahl is just far more dangerous to most mages as versatility appears to be quite rare in Fairy Tail.
 

WoWfan

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
7,016
Reaction score
2,554
Country
Imperium of Mankind
With other 9 Spriggans being the same tier as each other. END has just the ability to ignore God based Powers, which is would have killed Zeref if Gray did not step in to stop him. Laxus was not half dead until those particles attack him, other than that he is still in peak condition. Wall is indeed dangerous especially able to conduct nuclear fusion at will that allows him to generation Country-large country level energy
 

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
835
Reaction score
1,507
Age
30
Country
United States
With other 9 Spriggans being the same tier as each other. END has just the ability to ignore God based Powers, which is would have killed Zeref if Gray did not step in to stop him. Laxus was not half dead until those particles attack him, other than that he is still in peak condition. Wall is indeed dangerous especially able to conduct nuclear fusion at will that allows him to generation Country-large country level energy
False. MPB weaken magic. He wasn't at peak condition at any point during the arc.
 
Top