Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[101nemesis]

Oricon Rankings 30/9 - 6/10

1182323 1182323 One Piece #94
*368502 *368502 Kimetsu no Yaiba #17
*218380 *218380 The Promised Neverland #16
*109702 *109702 SPY×FAMILY #02
**94166 **94166 Gotouge Koyoharu's Short Story Collection
**91290 **91290 Shokugeki no Soma #36
**89103 **89103 Black Clover #22
**88157 **88157 Jujutsu Kaisen #07
**65934 **65934 Boruto #09
**51187 *651875 Kimetsu no Yaiba #16
**49070 *647280 Kimetsu no Yaiba #09
**48856 *711941 Kimetsu no Yaiba #01
**48793 *629002 Kimetsu no Yaiba #13
**48775 *635083 Kimetsu no Yaiba #12
**48737 *643646 Kimetsu no Yaiba #11
**48254 *658136 Kimetsu no Yaiba #08
**47857 *613626 Kimetsu no Yaiba #14
**47766 *683816 Kimetsu no Yaiba #02
**46449 *641156 Kimetsu no Yaiba #10
**46112 *618447 Kimetsu no Yaiba #15
**45099 *667626 Kimetsu no Yaiba #03
**44639 *656020 Kimetsu no Yaiba #07
**42670 *653947 Kimetsu no Yaiba #04
**41705 *652824 Kimetsu no Yaiba #05
**40059 *659085 Kimetsu no Yaiba #06
**37276 **37276 Chainsaw Man #04
**30387 **30387 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings #18
**24687 **24687 My Hero Academia Fanbook
**23323 *308518 SPY×FAMILY #01
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**16113 2148343 One Piece #93
**15959 *456289 Haikyuu!! #39
**15949 **15949 Hinomaru Zumo #27
**12728 **12728 Samurai 8 Hachimaruden #01
**11436 **11436 Samurai 8 Hachimaruden #02
**11308 *634240 The Promised Neverland #15
**10842 **10842 Black Clover Gaiden Quartet Knights #03
***9961 ***9961 2.5D Seduction #01
***9355 *252591 Kimetsu no Yaiba Fanbook
***9276 ***9276 Shokugeki no Soma L'etoile #08

Wow. Kimetsu.
It's actually gonna top TPN and MHA peaks quite easily. We will see about HQ since HQ was a million seller at its peak. If Kimetsu can break 800k before leaving the chart, it can be assumed it's a million seller.

So here's the thing about those trying to put the blame on Kishi or WSJ or both. NO ONE can predict what series will blow and what won't. Case in point is Kimetsu. Pretty sure no one could've predicted it being so popular to a point that it'd top TPN and MHA.
There are many factors that go into a series failure. It's easy to just say WSJ's promotion was over the top and was one of the main reasons. But, a well received series will not suffer negatively from said promotion. It's just a pamphlet. A pamphlet isn't much of deal. It's a piece of paper. People are acting like this was the time Apple put U2's album into their accounts without their permission with no option to remove it.
It's not easy to determine what's the cause of a series failure or success. If it was, WSJ would ONLY have successes.
Just my two cents.

 

[Kharthas]

I mean Kimetsu and TPN both had the same aggressive campaign and it worked out for them. I think the problem is that Sam8 wasn't up to snuff and the fact that it takes two volumes to actually get moving hurt it a lot because even the staff realized what a misstep the first volume was that it needed this double bill.

The timing is awful too. Could they have chosen a different release date so it would not coincide with Kimetsu, SxF, and a bunch of other established series (BC, Jujutsu)? I used to think releasing 2 volumes together is a genius move, but now I really doubt it.

RIP Samurai 8 lol
Hope now kishimoto does what the readers want, simplify the explanations and do same boring shit stuffs like other mangas do to be on top that the Japanese like except for those elite 12k who saw it's potential and wanted something new .

You're being sarcastic, but that's exactly what Kishimoto should do.

 

[Xzone]

RIP Samurai 8 lol
Hope now kishimoto does what the readers want, simplify the explanations and do same boring shit stuffs like other mangas do to be on top that the Japanese like except for those elite 12k who saw it's potential and wanted something new .

I know is bait but Samurai 8 isn't something new, same with MHA, BC, Kimetsu and other battle shonen.

 

[Thundercat27]

I still do not understand.....

Seriously

There is a common playbook among people in power when facing questions they don't want to answer: rinse and repeat "I don't understand" "what are you even talking about" "what does it even mean".
Back to Shounen Jump, I recalled Jump also did something similar to Super Push and Awakening, bundling up S8 with CSM, JK and AA. But I couldn't remember what it called.

 

[ChocoBar9]

The timing is awful too. Could they have chosen a different release date so it would not coincide with Kimetsu, SxF, and a bunch of other established series (BC, Jujutsu)? I used to think releasing 2 volumes together is a genius move, but now I really doubt it.

Yes putting it in a month as stuffed as this was a terrible thing to do because it made the shilling more apparent.

 

[Neala897]

Some numbers:


In the next month, One Piece will sell around 900k copies more,

I would not bet my life on this.

RIP Samurai 8 lol
Hope now kishimoto does what the readers want, simplify the explanations and do same boring shit stuffs like other mangas do to be on top that the Japanese like except for those elite 12k who saw it's potential and wanted something new .

It doesnt do ANYTHING new. But yeah, despite everything it has potential. But Kishi shoot himself in the leg with too much love of sf and textwalls of over complicated worldbuilding. Its like plot is getting somewhere but then. bang. wall of text.

 

[tirakai]

Everything that runs in WSJ has potential, if it didn't have any potential it wouldn't be in the magazine.

What did Last Saiyuuki sell? And some other flops that weren't total disasters, for reference. I'm curious if there's any modern ones that sold about as much as Samurai 8 (I know Yui Kamio's doing about half or so of that first week).

 

[Jovan]

been avoiding S8 talks since it's getting repetitive
so I'll approach from a different angle

do we know what was the first print for each S8 volume?
if they printed 30k then i think this is ok
if they printed 50k then this is underperforming
if they printed 100k then this is a disaster
if they gave it a print as big as Hero/Neverland/Hq/KnY then heads will start flying and hopefully Nak will be among them

Some people mentioned 100k print I believe.

 

[Kharthas]

Everything that runs in WSJ has potential, if it didn't have any potential it wouldn't be in the magazine.

What did Last Saiyuuki sell? And some other flops that weren't total disasters, for reference. I'm curious if there's any modern ones that sold about as much as Samurai 8 (I know Yui Kamio's doing about half or so of that first week).

I heard someone said Hungry Marie and Cross Account sold about as much.

 

[Jovan]

Everything that runs in WSJ has potential, if it didn't have any potential it wouldn't be in the magazine.

What did Last Saiyuuki sell? And some other flops that weren't total disasters, for reference. I'm curious if there's any modern ones that sold about as much as Samurai 8 (I know Yui Kamio's doing about half or so of that first week).

25 day sales. 2,3k in the first 4 days.

 

[Mammo]

RIP Samurai 8 lol
Hope now kishimoto does what the readers want, simplify the explanations and do same boring shit stuffs like other mangas do to be on top that the Japanese like except for those elite 12k who saw it's potential and wanted something new .

listen friend, people are going to have different opinions than you, people are gonna like different things than you
and there's nothing you can do about it
no point in getting too upset about it
no point in lashing out on them

live and let others live

i know this is obvious shit, but your posts read like a whiny teen so i thought i should point that out in case you're not baiting and serious and you just lack of self awareness

 

[MangAniMY]

One Piece actually has sold 600k copies more than Kimetsu.

known... not actual well actual as in oricon , not the absolute actual which is different and almost never be known by the public, which is also different than, a fact that to some might be obvious no harm in repeating this statement

just saying.

not gonna reveal the implication of that revelation, that part I leave for people to think about

 

[Mammo]

Some people mentioned 100k print I believe.

I doubt it
I think it will be closer to Boruto which is definitely bigger than 100k

 

[Jovan]

I heard someone said Hungry Marie and Cross Account sold about as much.

Hungry Marie Vol 1
│*16038 (6)│------│------│------│------┃*,*16,038 (**6)┃2017/07｜腹ペコのマリー 1

Cross Account Vol 1
│*13603 (5)│------│------│------│------┃*,*13,603 (***5)┃2017/10｜クロスアカウント 1

So Samurai 8 is probably going to top both considering Samurai 8 did 12k in 3 days.

I doubt it
I think it will be closer to Boruto which is definitely bigger than 100k

I wouldn't be surprised. Those pics with S8 volumes being so underselling in bookstores do not make this better too.

 

[MangAniMY]

been avoiding S8 talks since it's getting repetitive
so I'll approach from a different angle

do we know what was the first print for each S8 volume?
if they printed 30k then i think this is ok
if they printed 50k then this is underperforming
if they printed 100k then this is a disaster
if they gave it a print as big as Hero/Neverland/Hq/KnY then heads will start flying and hopefully Nak will be among them

someone who is actually thinking perspective , but you just can't resist taking a stab at nak don't you

just a random insert, since mangaka made from print not sales,

Kishi doesn't really lose if this is overprinted maybe in pride or spirit but not gonna go to that here.

 

[Arjuna]

RIP Samurai 8 lol
Hope now kishimoto does what the readers want, simplify the explanations and do same boring shit stuffs like other mangas do to be on top that the Japanese like except for those elite 12k who saw it's potential and wanted something new .

Man forget about Samurai 8, instead read Spy X Family....

 

[ChocoBar9]

We've talk more about Sam8's sales than the fact that Kimetsu v17 is only 10k away from HQ's peak sales which went on to sell 1 million. Really shows where our priorities lie.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

listen friend, people are going to have different opinions than you, people are gonna like different things than you
and there's nothing you can do about it
no point in getting too upset about it
no point in lashing out on them

live and let others live

i know this is obvious shit, but your posts read like a whiny teen so i thought i should point that out in case you're not baiting and serious and you just lack of self awareness

Don't worry bro i know I was just being sarcastic.
I'm positive it'll pick up at some point in future

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Jujutsu Kaisen has very very very merit. Is probably the veteran manga in current lineup with less promotion-pushing, and is already toe to toe against Black Clover.

 

[Nemesis]

Ouch, that Samurai 8 sales is much much much below what I expected. If it was a new series, that would be a pretty good number but a series that had an initial marketing so huge in and outside of WSJ and being from Kishimoto, I expected at least 100k.

And I say that as someone who likes Samurai 8 as a manga.