Fantasy Seilah vs Kyria

[IamtherealMirajane]

Goddess of the Chill Moon vs The Blade Dragon

Intent: To kill.

Location: Hell's core

Restriction: None

Who do you think will win this match up?

 

[Arjuna]

Kyria sneezes and Seliah is destroyed.

Seliah is fodder now,no other argument.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Kyria sneezes and Seliah is destroyed.

Seliah is fodder now,no other argument.

Can Kyria counter Macro?

The gap between Tartaros Erza and Current Erza is not huge. If Seilah can use it on erza and neo minerva , I believe she can use it to Kyria also.

 

[Arjuna]

Can Kyria counter Macro?

The gap between Tartaros Erza and Current Erza is not huge. If Seilah can use it on erza and neo minerva , I believe she can use it to Kyria also.

Please tell me you are joking when you said current Erza is equal to Tartaros Erza,

Current Erza or for the matter everyone in FT is far stronger than they were in Tartaros,


Macro hasn't shown any feats of controlling any high tier opponent after the Tartaros Arc,heck even Wahl mocked it.

So my vote obviously goes to Kyria.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

I said the gap between Tartarus Erza and Current Erza is not huge.

Why everyone keep insisting that macro can only be used to lower tier opponent? When in fact it was used to Tartaros Erza who i believe is above level than Seilah in Tartaros arc.

Just like how mest's memory control worked on Brandish ( a spriggan) you can see the discrepancy between the magic power between the two right?

And Marin's spatial magic (the one gemini used) to counter Jacob's ( another spriggan) transport magic ( another hax magic).

Correct me if im wrong but did the manga specify that macro can only be used to someone who has low magic power or lower tier opponent? Because if not i am assuming it will work to someone regardless of magic power.

 

[Vis]

lol

Kyria solos the entire Balam Alliance.

 

[CaptainTorch]

Kyria fodderizes.
Seilah is weaker than Tartaros Erza, who is far weaker than GMG Jura, who is on par with Bluenote. For reference, Bluenote got casually shitstomped by base Natsu, and current Erza should be at least as strong as base Natsu, and Kyria matched her in strength.

This is not even a match.

 

[Seven777]

Even if Macro works(definitely doesn’t) Kyria still wins easily. Macros time is done, it will never be useful in a fight. That’s the way hax is, the moment that arc ends, the hax used becomes useless.

 

[Jko]

Kyria blitzes before Seilah can use Macro.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Kyria would whoop Mard Geer with ease let alone Seilah.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Kyria fodderizes.
Seilah is weaker than Tartaros Erza, who is far weaker than GMG Jura, who is on par with Bluenote. For reference, Bluenote got casually shitstomped by base Natsu, and current Erza should be at least as strong as base Natsu, and Kyria matched her in strength.

This is not even a match.

woah, this scaling is all whack lmao. Tartaros Seilah was actually on the verge of killing Tartaros Erza, so they were at least on par with each other. Erza would’ve died if Mira didn’t save her, unless her plot armour saves her from suffocation.

GMG Jura is fodder and has no feats that put him close to Tartaros Erza who defeated Etherious Kyouka, one of the strongest Tartaros Demons and one of the strongest characters at the time in general. That chaining was a load of bull.

 

[Demon Hunter]

GMG Jura fodder during Tartaros???

 

[Arjuna]

GMG Jura fodder during Tartaros???

Yeah Tartaros was set just around a month or so after GMG,I doubt Jura went from giving Laxus severe injuries to being a fodder in just 1 month.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

GMG Jura fodder during Tartaros???

Yes? Did you not see the power jump from GMG to Tartaros? The Tartaros demons were killing magic council members and they were some of the strongest characters up to that point, stronger than Jura was.

 

[Arjuna]

Yes? Did you not see the power jump from GMG to Tartaros? The Tartaros demons were killing magic council members and they were some of the strongest characters up to that point, stronger than Jura was.

You are mistaking them with Magic Saints,magic council members itself doesn't mean they are strong,wizard Saint were the ones who were strong,Jellal was both.

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And Jura was a fifth ranked magic Saint during GMG.

 

[Axiomus]

There's no power jump between GMG and Tartaros. They literally happened 2 weeks after each other. There's not even a huge power-jump going from Tenrou Island to Tartaros except for those that unlocked 2nd origin, which is literally a second magical container. All of 3 months would have passed for every else, during which it's not even clear that anyone really made any major gains with their training. Makarov noted that Jura would have been a match for Gildarts during the GMG. Unless someone that would have been a match for Gildarts inexplicably became fodder within the span of 2 weeks, there's no power-gap.

Killing the council members means nothing. Some of them may not even be mages.

 

[Jko]

There's no power jump between GMG and Tartaros. They literally happened 2 weeks after each other. There's not even a huge power-jump going from Tenrou Island to Tartaros except for those that unlocked 2nd origin, which is literally a second magical container. All of 3 months would have passed for every else, during which it's not even clear that anyone really got any major gains with their training. Makarov noted that Jura would have been a match for Gildarts during the GMG, and Bluenote was a match for Gildarts during Tenrou.

Killing the council members means nothing. Some of them may not even be mages.

Natsu got AF boost and Erza used SO (at the end) tho so they were kinda boosted after GMG.

I honestly doubt Jura could take one punch from Gild without dying. That statement was bs as Gild would pretty much stomp any GMG contestant.

Not saying Jura was fodder but definitely not on the level of 9D top brass.

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Also Macro would def work on Kyria and you guys saying it won't literally have zero feats that say it wouldn't. Hax overcome PLs on a daily, in this arc it should DeS mode Gray would've been haxed oit if he didn't close his eyes lmao. Hax won't be overcome by PL unless stated otherwise.

Kyria wins bcs she would blitz and oneshot Seilah before she could win.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu got AF boost and Erza used SO (at the end) tho so they were kinda boosted after GMG.

I honestly doubt Jura could take one punch from Gild without dying. That statement was bs as Gild would pretty much stomp any GMG contestant.

Not saying Jura was fodder but definitely not on the level of 9D top brass.

Atlas Flame's power was temporary, and second origin merely put Erza closer to Laxus' level. Jura was on Laxus' level during the GMG. He would last just as long as Bluenote did against Gildarts, and Bluenote gave Gildarts a good fight. Jura and Laxus would do better than Natsu and Gray against Mard Geer if we disregard Gray's devil slaying advantage.

Speaking of Gray, he didn't even really need to close his eyes. Bixlow and Evergreen's eye magic needs to make eye contact in order to work. Gray sped behind them and then made them look at each other before they could even see Gray's body, let alone make eye contact.

Macro may or may not work on Kyria. It wasn't a huge factor during the Alvarez arc, even when it could have been super convenient. Mirajane has the chance to use it on Skullion or Madmole next chapter, so if it doesn't show then....then it's probably not going to be relevant to someone like Kyria. But like you said, Kyria is probably fast enough to land a hit and strong enough to do enough damage to take Seilah out if the hit lands.

 

[Jko]

Atlas Flame's power was temporary, and second origin merely put Erza closer to Laxus' level. Jura was on Laxus' level during the GMG. He would last just as long as Bluenote did against Gildarts, and Bluenote gave Gildarts a good fight. Jura and Laxus would do better than Natsu and Gray against Mard Geer if we disregard Gray's devil slaying advantage.

Speaking of Gray, he didn't even really need to close his eyes. Bixlow and Evergreen's eye magic needs to make eye contact in order to work. Gray sped behind them and then made them look at each other before they could even see Gray's body, let alone make eye contact.

Macro may or may not work on Kyria. It wasn't a huge factor during the Alvarez arc, even when it could have been super convenient. Mirajane has the chance to use it on Skullion or Madmole next chapter, so if it doesn't show then....then it's probably not going to be relevant to someone like Kyria. But like you said, Kyria is probably fast enough to land a hit and strong enough to do enough damage to take Seilah out if the hit lands.

Natsu still had hell fire boosted to his base power tho and he got considerably stronger to the point he reignited a mountain size flame.

I see no reason to say he was on Bluenote's level tho. Bluenote had way better feats than Jura who only smashed Orga and got beat by Laxus. Gildarts would have destroyed Laxus in one hit like he would've did against Natsu (when he hit the ground in retaliation to the animal) in chapter 417. I have no reason to believe Makarov's statement when feats contradicts it.

Both together would've loss to MG tho while Natsu and Gray wouldn't have due to DeS + DF. You can't just disregarded both power sets and say they would do better bcs they wouldn't. Laxus cannot beat Gray and Natsu at the same time nor Jura...heck they would have a hard time with one of them alone while Gild really wouldn't. Not saying Jura is weak but at that point I don't really think he can beat the top 3 9D... heck I really don't think Bluenote could have either.

He did need to close his eyes otherwise their hax would've worked on him as well. He sped behind them and closed his eyes for a reason. His plan to make them use their eye hax on each other wouldn't have worked if he also got caught with in it.

None of the hax were huge factor in Alvarez... Bloodman, Jacob, and several S12s had hax that would scrub their opponents yet didn't use them or were using their hax like a toy.

 

[Seven777]

Yet another example of PL>>>hax, even when hax actually works. Evergreen and Bixlows hax is among the best in the series, maybe even THE best in the series, but it still got overcome easily.

Jura beats any demon gate, as does Bluenote. What feats do Silver and Kyoka even have? Losing to Erza after absorbing Seilahs curse power and losing to Gray despite being immune to ice. And those two are the strongest two bar Jiemma, who also lost to Sting and Rogue.