Fantasy Jacob vs Wraith

[Axiomus]

Lucy was going to die by his knife throw. Lucy also took the WDG attacks like chump change as well...why? Bcs she wasn't going to die. And? Wraith hasn't shown anything to say he can fight Mira in that condition not intangible either.

No, it isn't. A dead tired Natsu who could barely throw out a fire attack is not impressive. He got manhandled by Natsu as soon as he got his power back.

No, they don't. Wraith's attack power is lower than Natsu's basic attacks lol. He got manhandled by Natsu not even using fire. Jacob completely overpowered a healthy Natsu in physical power.

She wasn't going to die by Jacob's knife. Get stabbed on the arm maybe. Lucy was already covering her head, and she's been cut by worse (namely Kyria). Lucy and the team were getting tossed around by the water pillars and they didn't even really hit them directly. I hope you're not implying that Jacob's attacks are as good as Mercphobia's lmao. The water dragon's whirlpool was going to drown Natsu if not for Ignia. The pressure from that attack was so much that Lucy couldn't even move. Mercphobia would have killed the others after Natsu. Lucy could have taken a longer beating from Jacob and still be no worse for wear. She's taken stronger attacks than Jacob's during the Alvarez arc and still remained fighting.

Natsu wasn't dead tired, and he could still use magic. He was merely tired after fighting Gajeel. He was in a worse condition midway through his fight with Zeref, and certainly after his fight with Zeref. Still fought as well as any of the other dragon slayers. Wraith straight up knocked out Natsu. He would knock out a Mirajane that couldn't even use takeover. You think that the attack that Wraith used to knock out Natsu is weaker than Natsu's regular punches?

Spoiler: This is the attack that knocked out Natsu

no, that is his soul, which while souls do contain magic is not automatically is magic incarnate, just like how everything in nature and spirits contains magic. Natsu just simply used physical attacks as a Thought Projection. Wraith's attacks are not even scalable considering that Natsu was on his last legs. Jacob scales to other Spriggans, who one was able to freeze his FDK Flames. and Natsu's kicks have fire behind it unlike what Natsu used against Wraith

Natsu's soul is the little ball. When he grows a body, that is his thought projection. There's nothing physical about his thought projection. It's literally a body made out of magic. Wraith's soul attacks are better than any of the attacks Natsu used against Jacob. Invel never froze FDK flames, and Jacob was oneshotted by FDK flames.

 

[WoWfan]

how do you know she wasn't Jacob clearly was aiming to sever her head, so it would be an attack that would kill her. It doesn't matter anyway, Natsu was on his last legs despite what you claim he even stated when he was already exhausted and almost out of magic from his fight with Gajeel. still nothing impressive from Wraith from taking out a already tired and magic exhausted Natsu. and that is just his soul, not magic, it is physical in a sense he is not using any magic, natsu's physical attacks are way better than anything Wraith can handle as he was beaten senseless while with Magic, Jacob tanked it easily, Jacob could not fight back at the time while in mid air, and Invel did freeze FDK Flames as they are the same when Natsu first released them that set the earth on fire.

 

[Axiomus]

how do you know she wasn't Jacob clearly was aiming to sever her head, so it would be an attack that would kill her. It doesn't matter anyway, Natsu was on his last legs despite what you claim he even stated when he was already exhausted and almost out of magic from his fight with Gajeel. still nothing impressive from Wraith from taking out a already tired and magic exhausted Natsu

Because Lucy had already covered her head. At worst she would have had been stabbed in her arm, which wouldn't have killed her. Even if you say that Natsu was tired and exhausted. So was Mirajane. Mirajane was exhausted to the point where she couldn't use any magic for most of the fight. Wraith actually knocked out Natsu, whereas Jacob has consistently failed to knock out anyone.

 

[WoWfan]

and the blade would have been enough to cut her head off with the right velocity, Natsu just blocked it because her arms are not enough, Mira was already rested up and ready to fight as it takes a few hours to regain one's magic, Wriath's attack on a weakened Natsu was less impressive than Jacob actually holding his own and surpassing base Natsu.

 

[Axiomus]

and the blade would have been enough to cut her head off with the right velocity, Natsu just blocked it because her arms are not enough, Mira was already rested up and ready to fight as it takes a few hours to regain one's magic, Wriath's attack on a weakened Natsu was less impressive than Jacob actually holding his own and surpassing base Natsu.

The blade was too small to cut off anyone's head with any velocity. It would have stabbed Lucy in the head at worst, and honestly it probably would have just stabbed her in the arm. Lucy's taken worse hits.

Mirajane said herself that she was still exhausted in the anime, and I don't buy that she purposely didn't use Satan Soul for a second. Mirajane used Satan Soul against Leo and Virgo just to tie them up. If she doesn't bother to do that for Jacob, what does that say about Jacob? Just how tired do you think Gajeel made Natsu? More tired than after Natsu beat Zeref? We've seen how Natsu fights when he's more exhausted than after he beat Gajeel. By no means is he easy to knock out. Even when Natsu is exhausted, he is still well above most other characters. He would certainly be above a version of Mirajane that is too exhausted to use a takeover.

 

[WoWfan]

With his statement, it would be enough to do so, despite what you say, even with the design of the dagger would play a role in this. Natsu stepped in so it was worse than what she would have taken. The anime is not valid as anime contradicts itself with all sorts of sensors, design changes fillers etc.. And no, She admitted IN THE MANGA that she doesn't go all out when there are people around. Again, with Leo and Virgo, she was not getting serious. It is when he is exhausted both physically and magically. All Natsu needs it time between each fight (sometimes needs healing) and he is good to go. again Mira is not exhausted of magic

 

[Axiomus]

With his statement, it would be enough to do so, despite what you say, even with the design of the dagger would play a role in this. Natsu stepped in so it was worse than what she would have taken. The anime is not valid as anime contradicts itself with all sorts of sensors, design changes fillers etc.. And no, She admitted IN THE MANGA that she doesn't go all out when there are people around. Again, with Leo and Virgo, she was not getting serious. It is when he is exhausted both physically and magically. All Natsu needs it time between each fight (sometimes needs healing) and he is good to go. again Mira is not exhausted of magic

Natsu took zero damage from the dagger. Any amount of damage to Lucy would technically be worse than that, but still nothing major.

Anime doesn't contradict what was shown with Mirajane. With the final season, Hiro Mashima specifically had a hand in the project. The fillers with Mirajane are as canon as Acnologia's backstory, especially since they do not contradict the manga in the slightest. It's your headcanon versus a project that Mashima worked on. What does Mirajane's statement about Kamika had to with any of this? She's already contradicted the statement several times before by going all out when people were around her. Even if I take that at face value, that just means Mirajane was completely joking around with her takeover against Leo and Virgo. That means if Mirajane wasn't exhausted against Jacob, which she was, she simply didn't respect Jacob's power enough to even use a takeover. No matter how you stretch it, Jacob's attack power is trash.

 

[WoWfan]

That is because the dagger melted on his arm, nothing comparable to Lucy where Natsu takes blade damage before and is fine. And the Anime does contradict things that means Dorma Anim is far stronger than Acno as it ravaged an entire planet which would put him well above anythib. Acno has done. And statements and visuals in the manga out weigh anything in the anime where it takes short amount of time to restore one’s magic power

 

[Axiomus]

That is because the dagger melted on his arm, nothing comparable to Lucy where Natsu takes blade damage before and is fine. And the Anime does contradict things that means Dorma Anim is far stronger than Acno as it ravaged an entire planet which would put him well above anythib. Acno has done. And statements and visuals in the manga out weigh anything in the anime where it takes short amount of time to restore one’s magic power

Anime doesn't contradict what Dorma Anim can do in the manga either. It says that Dorma Anim absorbs magic power from the entire world of Edolas in the manga either. It's still not stronger than Acnologia simply because Edolas doesn't have much magic power to begin with.

Spoiler: Manga showing that Dorma Anim absorbs all of Edolas' magic power

 

[WoWfan]

And in the anime explains that the Dorma Anim ravaged the planet and that is the reason it looks the way it did while in the manga, this information was never mentioned.

 

[Axiomus]

And in the anime explains that the Dorma Anim ravaged the planet and that is the reason it looks the way it did while in the manga, this information was never mentioned.

Which episode did this happen in? The anime never implied that Dorma Anim can destroy a planet. At best it was referring to the fact that it drained magic power from the planet. The planet looks fine and is in fact full of life. In any case, the anime version of Dorma Anim lost to pre-timeskip Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy so it is still solidly beneath Acnologia.

Also, Hiro Mashima never worked on the first season. He did, however, work on the 2016 series and the final 2018 series.

 

[WoWfan]

I said ravaged the planet and nearly destroyed it, when it attacked Extelia, it is stated in the episode that it made it's debut, and magic being present does affect the planet where there are viewer islands floating around and the ruins that are present even in the manga, His work was present in the first season as his content that did not make it into the manga made it into the anime

 

[Axiomus]

I said ravaged the planet and nearly destroyed it, when it attacked Extelia, it is stated in the episode that it made it's debut, and magic being present does affect the planet where there are viewer islands floating around and the ruins that are present even in the manga, His work was present in the first season as his content that did not make it into the manga made it into the anime

You mean this? This doesn't imply that Dorma Anim could destroy a planet. It attacked Extalia, which it didn't even destroy. They weren't clear at all by what it meant by "nearly destroyed". Chances are it was just referring to the fact that it used up most of the Edolas' magic power. In any case, the anime version of Dorma Anim was only as powerful as all the magic that Edolas could muster, and it still lost to Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy. The anime version of Dorma Anim still isn't as strong as Acnologia. Maybe when it absorbed all of Edolas' magic power it was stronger than Acnologia, but that's a theoretical version of Dorma Anim that nobody has even seen. The version that we see in fighting the dragon slayers is far, far weaker than Acnologia.

Spoiler: Episode 91

None of this changes the fact that manga only shows one instance of Mirajane using her takeover against Jacob, and it's the very last hit. Every panel where Mirajane is shown fighting Jacob, she is without a takeover. The anime shows us what happened in that fight, and it has Mirajane simply oneshotting Jacob. There's no reason to believe that these fillers are less canon than Acnologia's backstory. It's literally your headcannon versus a project that Hiro Mashima was involved in.

 

[WoWfan]

The humans were horrified by it so they stopped it from doing any further damage, and the attack was evident from the ruins on those islands. From what we could tell, the Extelia we saw was all that was left of it. which using up magic power does affect how the world operated such as with how it kept the islands afloat and all the technology that it has, that mean back then there were more islands than usual and would have actual destroyed the world from that affect. that doesn't change the fact that Dorma Anim was still able to nearly destroy Edolas, which is something that Acno did not show, he only attacked large areas with multiple explosions that was only from Acno's SbT. it does change that anime is unreliable at best as they add content that messes up how the actual story in the manga is established. It's literally your headcannon versus the manga itself.

 

[Axiomus]

The humans were horrified by it so they stopped it from doing any further damage, and the attack was evident from the ruins on those islands. From what we could tell, the Extelia we saw was all that was left of it. which using up magic power does affect how the world operated such as with how it kept the islands afloat and all the technology that it has, that mean back then there were more islands than usual and would have actual destroyed the world from that affect. that doesn't change the fact that Dorma Anim was still able to nearly destroy Edolas, which is something that Acno did not show, he only attacked large areas with multiple explosions that was only from Acno's SbT. it does change that anime is unreliable at best as they add content that messes up how the actual story in the manga is established. It's literally your headcannon versus the manga itself.

Dorma Anim still isn't stronger than Acnologia because it was defeated by Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy. A myth where people don't even know the details isn't proof that Dorma Anim can blow up a planet. At best it sucked the world of it's magical power and caused some damage to the floating country of Extalia.

You do realize that nothing in the manga contradicts what the anime is telling us about how Mirajane fought Jacob right? There literally isn't a single panel of Mirajane ever using her takeover against Jacob prior to the final exchange. I'm not headcannoning anything. I'm simply taking the anime's interpretation over your interpretation that Mirajane fought extensively against Jacob with her takeover. There's no evidence whatsoever from the manga that she did so.

Mirajane fought Jacob without a takeover from chapters 496 to chapter 504. That's the entire duration of Gray's fight with Invel, Natsu's fight with Neinhart, Lucy's fight with Brandish, Natsu knocking out Brandish, and the whole fiasco with Dimaria. We're midway through Natsu's fight with Gray, and Makarov has used Fairy Law....and we still see panels of Mirajane still not using her takeover. If Jacob can't knock out Mirajane without any takeovers in all this time, he's not knocking out any version of Natsu. You can take Natsu after his fight with Zeref where he is completely exhausted, and Jacob still wouldn't take him out.

 

[WoWfan]

it is via it almost destroying the world, and in Earthland it would be stronger still than Acnologia, Acno can't even blow up the world as well, not even as SBT. it is not stronger at all. It does as Magic regenerates after a short time multiple times wihtout any specific conditions, the anime clearly contradicts this. There is not even a single panel that she recently transformed to deliver a one shot like you claim. I am taking the manga's interpretation over your subjective preference. She can fight even without take over, that is a fact, it does matter within context such as not wanting to go all out while people are around. plus Jacob has his eyes closed so that is a handicap on Mira's part. and since Natsu could not take down Jacob without all the conditions then Wraith is not doing the same thing anytime soon with full strength Natsu,

 

[Axiomus]

it is via it almost destroying the world, and in Earthland it would be stronger still than Acnologia, Acno can't even blow up the world as well, not even as SBT. it is not stronger at all. It does as Magic regenerates after a short time multiple times wihtout any specific conditions, the anime clearly contradicts this. There is not even a single panel that she recently transformed to deliver a one shot like you claim. I am taking the manga's interpretation over your subjective preference. She can fight even without take over, that is a fact, it does matter within context such as not wanting to go all out while people are around. plus Jacob has his eyes closed so that is a handicap on Mira's part. and since Natsu could not take down Jacob without all the conditions then Wraith is not doing the same thing anytime soon with full strength Natsu,

Dorma Anim didn't destroy Edolas either. The panel is intact and full of life. Acnologia at least wiped out 90% of human life in Rogue's future. The anime version of Dorma Anim lost to Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy. This means it's weaker than Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy by feats. Who cares what some legend that they don't even remember the details says?

I don't need to prove that Mirajane recently transformed. You need to prove that Mirajane hit Jacob with Satan Soul more than once. Unless you can show me another panel where Mirajane punched Jacob in Satan Soul, then it's your imagination.

What conditions? What special conditions does Natsu need to take down Jacob? He just needs to hit him with an attack as strong as one of Satan Soul's punches. Any of his FDK spells would be overkill, and even some of his regular attacks can get the job done. Any attack that would knock out Natsu would also knock out Jacob, and Wraith's attacks can knock out Natsu. The same is not true in reverse. Natsu can literally facetank several of Jacob's attacks and still be in near optimal shape.

 

[WoWfan]

If anything Dorma Anim would scale to Phoenix in measure of surface destruction of the planet. not centuries ago it is not when the planet lost most of it's magic. This means that Dorma is stronger than Acno by your logic. yes you do especially when you claim that it is recent, without any full confirmation it cannot be considered a one shot. Jacob cannot fight back while in the air, NAtsu goes into his stronger form and uses an actual, strongest attack at the time. So you are saying that Jackal is stronger than Jacob? great logic right there

 

[Axiomus]

If anything Dorma Anim would scale to Phoenix in measure of surface destruction of the planet. not centuries ago it is not when the planet lost most of it's magic. This means that Dorma is stronger than Acno by your logic. yes you do especially when you claim that it is recent, without any full confirmation it cannot be considered a one shot. Jacob cannot fight back while in the air, NAtsu goes into his stronger form and uses an actual, strongest attack at the time. So you are saying that Jackal is stronger than Jacob? great logic right there

Oh god. Not this again. Dorma Anim lost to Natsu, Wendy, and Gajeel. It's weaker than Acnologia. I don't care what some myth says when the person retelling it isn't even clear on what happened.

We only see Jacob getting defeated by a single hit from Satan Soul. Saying that Jacob tanked any hit from Satan Soul is giving feats to Jacob that the manga doesn't show.

All Natsu has to do to recreate that position is to punch Jacob as hard as Makarov did and jump after him. Extremely easy if Natsu was willing to punch as hard as Makarov.

 

[WoWfan]

It’s power is determined by it’s supply of magic, which back then nearly did destroyed Edolas from how it was then. Even the humans are aware of it and even has a le about it, so there is truth to it. And we did not see Mira recently transform into said Satan Soul in same panel so saying that it is a one shot is not solid. Which Jacob would overpower as he did multiple times before. It doesn’t matter anyway since base Natsu is not able to beat him