Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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I think most of the users who vote in the poll are more interested in voting and seeing how the chapters are doing in real time, not being able to see the results without voting is already something enticing but having to wait for 2 months just to see where a chapter of 8 weeks ago is placed without even knowing the total number of votes makes things boring
I *believe* they'd know how many votes are cast, they just wouldn't see where they're cast. Either that, or they'd see how many people voted, I'm not sure.

I get where you're coming from, though. But, the way it's set up now, there's no surprises, except for which series is receiving the most votes. But, again, I'll let the voters decide on this one.
 

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I *believe* they'd know how many votes are cast, they just wouldn't see where they're cast. Either that, or they'd see how many people voted, I'm not sure.

I get where you're coming from, though. But, the way it's set up now, there's no surprises, except for which series is receiving the most votes. But, again, I'll let the voters decide on this one.
You're overcomplicating things Buranchi, this isn't the Shonen Jump table of contents, it don't have a impact on Shonen Jump or any series, is just a fun thing for the users of the forum to vote in their favorite chapters, you're trying to add too many gimmicks into it
 

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I *believe* they'd know how many votes are cast, they just wouldn't see where they're cast. Either that, or they'd see how many people voted, I'm not sure.

I get where you're coming from, though. But, the way it's set up now, there's no surprises, except for which series is receiving the most votes. But, again, I'll let the voters decide on this one.
I think hiding the votes but not waiting 8 weeks lets both camps be relatively happy though, no? We get surprises since nobody knows what's been voted for (assuming people dont just post what they voted) and we get to still feel as though the ranking is relevant week by week. I feel like the only reason Jump waits 8 weeks is cause theyre collecting physical polls from readers. We don't have that restriction, so our rankings don't need to wait.
 

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I think hiding the votes but not waiting 8 weeks lets both camps be relatively happy though, no?
That would be a reasonable compromise. But then the issue becomes, what number do we decide on?
 

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That would be a reasonable compromise. But then the issue becomes, what number do we decide on?
If you're talking how many weeks, then do it week by week. Reveal the results for #1 when #2 comes out. I would say when #2 ToC comes out but I'm not sure how many responses we'd get in the 3-4 days between. If you're confident that enough votes cone in in that time then I'd suggest that, if not then just when #2 comes out.
 

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But what is the point of hiding things??? there's no fun in that, no one knows anything, you don't know how many votes it have, you don't know what chapter is most voted for 2 months, what is the point of all this?
 

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But what is the point of hiding things??? there's no fun in that, no one knows anything, you don't know how many votes it have, you don't know what chapter is most voted for 2 months, what is the point of all this?
I'm on Buranchi's side about hiding it. Just while the votes come in. Ideally, I'd want votes to be hidden until the next week's release where Buranchi drops the MH ToC, to reveal our weekly rankings for the chapters. Whenever it'd drop would give us a good talking point for what's been popular amongst this thread's users, cause let's be honest nobody is really talking about the poll results right now despite them being visible.
 

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I like the idea of hidden, because it keeps the results honest. Nobody can game the system by viewing the results and then voting based on what's winning.

I do think two whole months of no results might dampen the excitement until that time has passed, though. Maybe if that time was cut in half and we only had to wait a month for results. That could be the best of both worlds, even if that made things a little less authentic.
 

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But what is the point of hiding things??? there's no fun in that, no one knows anything, you don't know how many votes it have, you don't know what chapter is most voted for 2 months, what is the point of all this?
If we go by your logic, then there's no reason to arrange the series come poll #8, since we already know the results prior to that point.

Isn't that just a "gimmick" too?
 

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I'm on Buranchi's side about hiding it. Just while the votes come in. Ideally, I'd want votes to be hidden until the next week's release where Buranchi drops the MH ToC, to reveal our weekly rankings for the chapters. Whenever it'd drop would give us a good talking point for what's been popular amongst this thread's users, cause let's be honest nobody is really talking about the poll results right now despite them being visible.
If doing this way, it should be when Manga Plus release the new chapters, because the toc already gets release in the middle of the week, so is a bit short of time to the users, but it would be okay if the results of #52 are release when Manga Plus publish the chapters of #1 for example

I like the idea of hidden, because it keeps the results honest. Nobody can game the system by viewing the results and then voting based on what's winning.
Users already cant see the results until they vote....
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If we go by your logic, then there's no reason to arrange the series come poll #8, since we already know the results prior to that point.

Isn't that just a "gimmick" too?
Why there's no reason? the point is just putting the choices in that order, you realise that when users will go to vote on the chapters of #8 they will care about voting in the chapters not necessarily to see the order of the options right? After 2 months many users will not even remember in what chapters they voted.

Actually Wolfzun gave a good idea but should be adjusted for when Manga Plus release new chapters to give more days for the users.
 

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Users already cant see the results until they vote...
I think the main reason Buranchi wants to hide them (and also why I think we should) is so the rankings generate discussion. If the results get posted but everyone has already seen them then nobody's gonna care. But if we hide results then the rankings hypothetically should get people talking.
 

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If doing this way, it should be when Manga Plus release the new chapters
But that was always the idea. The regular WSJ ToC has nothing to do with it. Brandish accidentally jumped the gun this time because there was a miscommunication, but rest assured that, going forward, polls will be created on Sunday when the new M+ releases.
 

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But that was always the idea. The regular WSJ ToC has nothing to do with it. Brandish accidentally jumped the gun this time because there was a miscommunication, but rest assured that, going forward, polls will be created on Sunday when the new M+ releases.
Then yeah, there's no reason to not do it week by week tbh. Leaving it 8 is just gonna cause less interaction. Also I misconstrued when it would drop too so whoops.
 

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So yeah, that's what I'm going to do going forward. Come the next poll, I'll keep the results hidden until it's time for the next poll to be created. At which point, I'll post the results in the MH ToC thread.

Does that sound satisfactory to everyone?
 

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Shinuki, read my latest post. It won't be 8 weeks, it'll be week to week. Every time a poll is created, the poll results will be hidden until the new poll is posted the following week.
 

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Shinuki, read my latest post. It won't be 8 weeks, it'll be week to week. Every time a poll is created, the poll results will be hidden until the new poll is posted the following week.
You will show the total number of votes of each series right?
 

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I think hiding the results as it's going then showing them as soon as the poll closes sounds good, that way people aren't giving pity votes to stuff they know have none yet but also we don't need to wait 2 months for just a fun gimmick poll.

Maybe keep a record of the final results for each issue as a post in that topic, and post them here however many weeks later when the relevant ToC leaks?

Also rather than finding some complicated order each week how about just ordering them alphabetically?
 

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Also rather than finding some complicated order each week how about just ordering them alphabetically?
I was thinking to order them by age.
 
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