Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Crimson Ice]

He was not holding back in base. He literally went all out once he was in FDKM. This was shown as he went FDKM to perform that feat. He can't produce the heat or power he used in FDKM in base otherwise he wouldn't need the mode in the first place. Like I said, he was serious in the fight and even stated Jacob was a tough opponent. He does the exact same he did in the fight against Jacob in the Zeref fight. His strongest move can be contained within the guild lol. It makes zero sense Natsu went more serious on fodder than he did Jacob.

He can use FDKM moves and base and he didn't, so yeah, he was holding back. You say he can't use those moves in base but the very first time he uses the FDKM Demolition Fist is in base. Him stating Jacob is tough means just that, he is tough, not that Natsu was going all out. He doesn't destroy the guild against Zeref because neither his DF or Savage Flames have high AoE, Natsu's regular high end attacks can most certainly level the guild, once again you're arguing with what the manga said.

 

[Foukun]

Elfman literally gave Loke a pounding and tanked Lucy’s SDM nuke like it was nothing. Elfman is clearly stronger.

Lucy laterally was fighting 3vs1 and funnily enough he could not defeat Loke let alone Lucy.
Yes he tanked d The nuke (as he is known of being a Tank) but can he hold himself against 3 spirits and a Uorano Mitoria? That’s up for debate.
Elfman is strong but people love to downplay Lucy a lot.

 

[Jko]

He can use FDKM moves and base and he didn't, so yeah, he was holding back. You say he can't use those moves in base but the very first time he uses the FDKM Demolition Fist is in base. Him stating Jacob is tough means just that, he is tough, not that Natsu was going all out. He doesn't destroy the guild against Zeref because neither his DF or Savage Flames have high AoE, Natsu's regular high end attacks can most certainly level the guild, once again you're arguing with what the manga said.

He can use FDK in Base not FDKM. He did the exact same in the Zeref fight. He didn't use his FDK until the finisher and only used FD level attacks. Him saying Jacob is tough means he is treating him at higher level than fodder which he used FDK on. Natsu strongest attack have shown to be able to contain within the guild and some of his wealest have shown the ability to level the guild. Just bcs he doesn't use high AoE level spells doesn't mean he is taking the fight lightly. He didn't go all out bcs he didn't use FDKM in the guild not bcs he was taking it easy in Base. There's no reason to think his Base was enough to take down Jacob when he needed FDKM to beat him. Natsu wouldn't have done that if his base flames were enough as he stated he needed to conserve as much power as he could. Natsu went all out in Base which is why he o0ted the finisher to be in FDKM as it was the power he needed to win.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Lucy laterally was fighting 3vs1 and funnily enough he could not defeat Loke let alone Lucy.
Yes he tanked d The nuke (as he is known of being a Tank) but can he hold himself against 3 spirits and a Uorano Mitoria? That’s up for debate.
Elfman is strong but people love to downplay Lucy a lot.

3 of Lucy’s sprits are fodder would be fodder. All of them are fodder. Virgo and and Loke got tied up with minimal effort. Ffs two different Lucy’ spirits got one shotted afterward. One by an Ash attack and one from a simple slap. Repeat after me. Celestial spirits are fodder. Always have been and always will be. Also, Elfman was attacking Loke and he was defeated and tied up in the end.

Urano Metrio is a fodder spell lmao who’s the strongest person Lucy took out with it?

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Then Lucy said Taurus would be better than Leo against him and Lucy was fighting him and his 2 sisters.

We don't know how Lucy vs Elfman one vs one would go, we don't know if she can copy him with Gemini and we don't know if he can tank her attack if it comes after Lucy and 2 spirits fight him and possibly weaken him.

We also don't even know if Lion Maiden is stronger than Lucy and Gemini both using Urano Metria.

We literally do know what would happen. Elfman would clobber Lucy’s fodder spirits. If you don’t think Elfman who was strong enough to take out a Spriggan with minimal help (Lisanna isn’t too powerful unfortunately) wouldn’t manhandle fodder Taurus then idk what to tell you.

 

[Foukun]

3 of Lucy’s sprits are fodder would be fodder. All of them are fodder. Virgo and and Loke got tied up with minimal effort. Ffs two different Lucy’ spirits got one shotted afterward. One by an Ash attack and one from a simple slap. Repeat after me. Celestial spirits are fodder. Always have been and always will be. Also, Elfman was attacking Loke and he was defeated and tied up in the end.

Urano Metrio is a fodder spell lmao who’s the strongest person Lucy took out with it?

You seems angry, as I said Elfman could not defeat Loke alone. it was both Elfman and Mira that took down Loke. He was not fighting him 1vs1. it was Lucy and Loke fighting side by side.

When Elfman was fighting him alone he could not do anything to Loke.

for Urano Metoria it took out Jakal who gave Natsu a hard time and needed his lighting mood to take him down?! And this is before Lucy power up.

Elfman vs Ajeel is featless battle no one knows what happened.

 

[AmitDS]

3 of Lucy’s sprits are fodder would be fodder. All of them are fodder. Virgo and and Loke got tied up with minimal effort. Ffs two different Lucy’ spirits got one shotted afterward. One by an Ash attack and one from a simple slap. Repeat after me. Celestial spirits are fodder. Always have been and always will be. Also, Elfman was attacking Loke and he was defeated and tied up in the end.

Urano Metrio is a fodder spell lmao who’s the strongest person Lucy took out with it?

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We literally do know what would happen. Elfman would clobber Lucy’s fodder spirits. If you don’t think Elfman who was strong enough to take out a Spriggan with minimal help (Lisanna isn’t too powerful unfortunately) wouldn’t manhandle fodder Taurus then idk what to tell you.

You say we don't know what would happen but then say Lucy and 2 spirits would lose to Elfman alone?
Make that make sense.

Lucy said Taurus would be better vs Elfman so you have nothing indicating that Lucy and 2 spirits which include Taurus and Gemini can't win.

Spoiler

And spare me. You have no evidence that Elfman didn't get much help from Lisanna. That's a headcanon you need to prove your point. Elfman had a beast take over that was resistant against sandstorms and they both fought him off panel, struggled even with their supposed advantage and barely managed to win. Lisanna even says, after a long fight, that they FINALLY managed to beat him and that IT TOOK BOTH OF THEM to beat Ajeel. It's not up for debate.

Spoiler

Elfman alone would have lost so...

 

[Seven777]

He can use FDK in Base not FDKM.

It's the same shit. FDKM lets him use FDK flames constantly with every attack, just like LFDM. Natsu can still use FDKM and LFDM attacks in base, he just has to use a named technique, like when he used LFD Firing Hammer on Mard without LFDM active.

He did the exact same in the Zeref fight. He didn't use his FDK until the finisher and only used FD level attacks.

He probably held back from destroying the guild hall against Zeref too, he apologized to Makarov when he gives in and does it. Zeref was a chump.

Him saying Jacob is tough means he is treating him at higher level than fodder which he used FDK on.

Which proves that Natsu using FDKM means nothing. Natsus not afraid to use high tier techniques on weak opponents and low tier techniques on strong opponents.

Natsu strongest attack have shown to be able to contain within the guild and some of his wealest have shown the ability to level the guild. Just bcs he doesn't use high AoE level spells doesn't mean he is taking the fight lightly.

Not using AoE spells doesn't mean he was taking the fight lightly, characters from the manga saying he was taking the fight lightly does however

He didn't go all out bcs he didn't use FDKM in the guild not bcs he was taking it easy in Base. There's no reason to think his Base was enough to take down Jacob when he needed FDKM to beat him. Natsu wouldn't have done that if his base flames were enough as he stated he needed to conserve as much power as he could. Natsu went all out in Base which is why he o0ted the finisher to be in FDKM as it was the power he needed to win.

Not really, Natsu will use FDK attacks against fodder, doesn't mean he needs to. Base Satan Soul has the offense to take down Jacob, that right there tells us that Natsu didn't need to go all out to beat him.

 

[Jko]

It's the same shit. FDKM lets him use FDK flames constantly with every attack, just like LFDM. Natsu can still use FDKM and LFDM attacks in base, he just has to use a named technique, like when he used LFD Firing Hammer on Mard without LFDM active.
He probably held back from destroying the guild hall against Zeref too, he apologized to Makarov when he gives in and does it. Zeref was a chump.
Which proves that Natsu using FDKM means nothing. Natsus not afraid to use high tier techniques on weak opponents and low tier techniques on strong opponents.
Not using AoE spells doesn't mean he was taking the fight lightly, characters from the manga saying he was taking the fight lightly does however
Not really, Natsu will use FDK attacks against fodder, doesn't mean he needs to. Base Satan Soul has the offense to take down Jacob, that right there tells us that Natsu didn't need to go all out to beat him.

Nope, the mode is far more powerful than his Base FDK attacks. There is a reason he used the mode rather than use the attacks in Base. The mode would be pointless otherwise. He only used one move both times in FDKM so again the mode would be useless and a waste of mp to use it.

Zeref isn't a chump. Far from it as he would scrub FT fairly easily. If he's chump then I would love to see what you think Laxus or Jellal are to him.

That's ridiculous. He would never go harder on fodder than a named adversary who he admits is strong. He already stated he was conserving his energy and him and Gajeel were barely using 1% of their actual power against the fodder.

He was getting all his Base moves shrugged and he needed to resort to his second most powerful form to win. That is something he has yet needed to go in the 100YQ. His all out = him going to FDKM, but his Base however was overpowered easily.

Natsu needed a Base FDK attack to down Makarov who was weaker than he was in Alvarez and was more hurt than Jacob by his punch...so not really seeing how Jacob has terrible durability or that a Base FDK attack will down him. Like I said, Natsu already was stated to not waste his mp needlessly so if he could beat Jacob in Base he would have.

 

[Seven777]

Nope, the mode is far more powerful than his Base FDK attacks. There is a reason he used the mode rather than use the attacks in Base. The mode would be pointless otherwise. He only used one move both times in FDKM so again the mode would be useless and a waste of mp to use it.

Based on what? Beating Jacob lol? It's the same as LFDM, it gives him the FDK aura, which turns all his normal attacks into FDK attacks.

Zeref isn't a chump. Far from it as he would scrub FT fairly easily. If he's chump then I would love to see what you think Laxus or Jellal are to him.

Natsu's in FT, and he wasn't the one who got scrubbed lol. Jellal would accomplish his mission...

That's ridiculous. He would never go harder on fodder than a named adversary who he admits is strong. He already stated he was conserving his energy and him and Gajeel were barely using 1% of their actual power against the fodder.

I didn't say he would go harder, I said he would use higher tier techniques on them than against stronger opponents. For example, used Demo Fist on fodder, used nameless punch on Neinhart.
Natsu stopped conserving energy after Ajeel's assault ended, as seen by him using FDK on fodder.

He was getting all his Base moves shrugged and he needed to resort to his second most powerful form to win. That is something he has yet needed to go in the 100YQ. His all out = him going to FDKM, but his Base however was overpowered easily.

He didn't go FDKM on Merc either, Jacob>Merc lol? No, he didn't resort to anything. Just like with fodder Natsu used high tier techniques to beat a weaker opponent.

Natsu needed a Base FDK attack to down Makarov who was weaker than he was in Alvarez and was more hurt than Jacob by his punch...so not really seeing how Jacob has terrible durability or that a Base FDK attack will down him. Like I said, Natsu already was stated to not waste his mp needlessly so if he could beat Jacob in Base he would have.

Again with the "need". No, Natsu didn't need to do anything, he will use high tier attacks on whoever he wants, including nameless fodder. It's like saying Mirajane "needed" Alegria to beat Juliet and Hyne, despite Base Satan Soul being enough to beat Jacob, in fact it's worse, since Natsu can use FDK attacks frequently and without consequence, while Mira can only use Alegria once, at the cost of all her mana.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

You seems angry, as I said Elfman could not defeat Loke alone. it was both Elfman and Mira that took down Loke. He was not fighting him 1vs1. it was Lucy and Loke fighting side by side.

When Elfman was fighting him alone he could not do anything to Loke.

for Urano Metoria it took out Jakal who gave Natsu a hard time and needed his lighting mood to take him down?! And this is before Lucy power up.

Elfman vs Ajeel is featless battle no one knows what happened.

He did defeat Loke alone. Mira was attacking Lucy. Also Loke is fodder Elfman would scrub him with minimal effort.

Elfman couldn’t do anything to Loke? He slammed that fodder spirit across the ground LMAO what?

Jackal is fodder at this point LMAO I’m literally unimpressed. Also was that spell not boosted by Aquarius?

Elfman vs Ajeel is canon. Elfman defeated a Spriggan whilst fodder Lucy and her useless sprits have no similar feats ever.

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You say we don't know what would happen but then say Lucy and 2 spirits would lose to Elfman alone?
Make that make sense.

Lucy said Taurus would be better vs Elfman so you have nothing indicating that Lucy and 2 spirits which include Taurus and Gemini can't win.

Spoiler

And spare me. You have no evidence that Elfman didn't get much help from Lisanna. That's a headcanon you need to prove your point. Elfman had a beast take over that was resistant against sandstorms and they both fought him off panel, struggled even with their supposed advantage and barely managed to win. Lisanna even says, after a long fight, that they FINALLY managed to beat him and that IT TOOK BOTH OF THEM to beat Ajeel. It's not up for debate.

Spoiler

Elfman alone would have lost so...

I do know what would happen. Lucy’s spirits are fucking fodder and that’s canon. Elfman would literally pulverize any spirit Lucy brings out and then he’d pummel Lucy directly. Ffs Lucy’s sprits are getting tied up and one shotted by unammed attacks. Why are you guys disregarding canon? Lucy’s also trash herself. She had to use a TRUMP card to give Elfman and Mira basic scratches..... pathetic.

Lmao Lisanna got one shotted by a SDM nuke, she obviously was minimal help against Ajeel. Elfman was the one with the firepower and sand beast.

Defeating Ajeel with Lisanna’s help literally shits on anything Lucy and her useless spirits can do lmao Lucy has to run from Diabolos because she realized she’d be of zero help. Why didn’t Elfman run away with her? Instead he’s fighting Madmole WHO ONE SHOT TAURUS WITH A SLAP?! Like are you kidding me? Lucy’s spirits are so fodder they’re getting taken out by unnamed slap attacks... absolutely pathetic.

Link me to Lucy feats that are better then Elfman defeating a Spriggan. Oh wait, she has zero....

 

[Axiomus]

Fire Dragon King flames are Fire Dragon King flames. There is no such thing as "base FDK flames" anymore than there is such a thing as "base Lightning-Fire". Modes are just when the character releases their power. FDK mode doesn't produce a different type of flame that is somehow different than the FDK flames he produces with his spells. In fact the hottest flames that Natsu has produced with FDK flames wasn't even done with the mode.

Natsu was holding back against Jacob simply because he never punched Jacob as hard as Makarov did. Natsu would rather continue to let Jacob slap him in stealth than to use an attack strong enough to end the fight. If Natsu fought Jacob the same way he fought Makarov, the fight would be over in a couple of exchanges. Gajeel objectively did more damage to Natsu and made him use up more magic power than Jacob did. Natsu was able to beat him in a battle of attrition using LFD.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Based on what? Beating Jacob lol? It's the same as LFDM, it gives him the FDK aura, which turns all his normal attacks into FDK attacks.
Natsu's in FT, and he wasn't the one who got scrubbed lol. Jellal would accomplish his mission...
I didn't say he would go harder, I said he would use higher tier techniques on them than against stronger opponents. For example, used Demo Fist on fodder, used nameless punch on Neinhart.
Natsu stopped conserving energy after Ajeel's assault ended, as seen by him using FDK on fodder.
He didn't go FDKM on Merc either, Jacob>Merc lol? No, he didn't resort to anything. Just like with fodder Natsu used high tier techniques to beat a weaker opponent.
Again with the "need". No, Natsu didn't need to do anything, he will use high tier attacks on whoever he wants, including nameless fodder. It's like saying Mirajane "needed" Alegria to beat Juliet and Hyne, despite Base Satan Soul being enough to beat Jacob, in fact it's worse, since Natsu can use FDK attacks frequently and without consequence, while Mira can only use Alegria once, at the cost of all her mana.

So .. an army of featless powercrept fodders and their king vs Zeref ?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

Let's see.

Jellal and Crime Sorciere :
Oneshotted by Neinhart

The entire team fodderstomped by August.

Fact check : None of the CS members apart from Jellal have any feats measuring upto this arc and are all fanfictions. Their feats allow them to still get soloed by Jura. Point to be noted Jellal needed Grand Chariot to K.O. someone like Neinhart who got two shotted by Base Natsu.

Zeref :

Enchanted Dragon Irene into a human , which is as good as Irene enchanting Hisui into a mouse. Irene was August's equal in terms of MP. Zeref's MP > August >>> Crime Sorciere.

Traded blows with Igneel Natsu ( even though he was on the losing end ) , who could still dash out bloodlusted Human Acnologia tier attacks. ( Even though he had about 20% of Igneel's power , the individual attacks dashed out by him remain the same. It's just that the mode doesn't last for long. I had this discussion with Axiomus last time ) Igneel Natsu is very underestimated on this forum.

Is probably the only human Acno respects. Remember how Acno ripped off Gildarts' arm like trash. Acno himself sees Zeref as not just an insect and respects him enough to personally heed his request.

When he got serious , he oneshotted Base Natsu with his immobilizing spell. He was toying around with Natsu before.

Has a super duper amount of hax like Time stop , Law , Teleport , Immobilize , Death Curse , Enchantment , Magic steal , etc.

Hmm ...

CONCLUSION : Zeref whoops the entire Crime Sorciere even harder than his son.

And there are quotes like 'Jellal would've accomplished his misson'. My reaction after seeing them :

 

[Seven777]

So .. an army of featless powercrept fodders and their king vs Zeref ?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

Let's see.

Jellal and Crime Sorciere :
Oneshotted by Neinhart

The entire team fodderstomped by August.

Fact check : None of the CS members apart from Jellal have any feats measuring upto this arc and are all fanfictions. Their feats allow them to still get soloed by Jura. Point to be noted Jellal needed Grand Chariot to K.O. someone like Neinhart who got two shotted by Base Natsu.

Zeref :

Enchanted Dragon Irene into a human , which is as good as Irene enchanting Hisui into a mouse. Irene was August's equal in terms of MP. Zeref's MP > August >>> Crime Sorciere.

Traded blows with Igneel Natsu ( even though he was on the losing end ) , who could still dash out bloodlusted Human Acnologia tier attacks. ( Even though he had about 20% of Igneel's power , the individual attacks dashed out by him remain the same. It's just that the mode doesn't last for long. I had this discussion with Axiomus last time ) Igneel Natsu is very underestimated on this forum.

Is probably the only human Acno respects. Remember how Acno ripped off Gildarts' arm like trash. Acno himself sees Zeref as not just an insect and respects him enough to personally heed his request.

When he got serious , he oneshotted Base Natsu with his immobilizing spell. He was toying around with Natsu before.

Has a super duper amount of hax like Time stop , Law , Teleport , Immobilize , Death Curse , Enchantment , Magic steal , etc.

Hmm ...

CONCLUSION : Zeref whoops the entire Crime Sorciere even harder than his son.

And there are quotes like 'Jellal would've accomplished his misson'. My reaction after seeing them :

I was actually saying Jellal solos Zeref. You know, because Zeref's a scrub. It was a joke(he totally is though)

The rest of your comments, all the feats and shit, meh. I'd say %90 of it impresses me less than Jellal saving Erza from Acno, and him doing that doesn't particularly impress me either.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Zeref with greatest power up in the series got PUNCHED by Natsu

 

[Ramen]

Zeref with greatest power up in the series got PUNCHED by Natsu

Loool get off that

 

[atlantisreturns]

I was actually saying Jellal solos Zeref. You know, because Zeref's a scrub. It was a joke(he totally is though)

The rest of your comments, all the feats and shit, meh. I'd say %90 of it impresses me less than Jellal saving Erza from Acno, and him doing that doesn't particularly impress me either.

Whatever you say m8. I respect your opinion. I think those feats are enough for him to fodderize all of CS at the same time even harder than August. ( Side note Acno was jobbing against Jellal since he failed to K.O. Wendy and Rogue , the same Acnologia who while bloodlusted killed many dragons in human form and ripped off Gildarts' arm and leg . Igneel Natsu was bloodlusted and Zeref tanked those attacks )

Zeref with greatest power up in the series got PUNCHED by Natsu

Punched by an attack much stronger than Igneel Natsu and DF Natsu's finisher and which also burnt space and time. I don't know what's the problem.


Also , definitely much better than someone who got oneshotted by Neinhart.

And some fodders who have zero feats apart from getting stomped by Tartaros Jellal.


The fact that they even survived this far without dying is amazing.

 

[Demon Hunter]

bruh, don't you even dare defend Zeref

the dude has, like, one questionable high end feat and that's because of his immortality. Zeref really has no feats and I like how some people say how CS have no feats but Zeref is even more featless.

in fact, he only has one feat which is an outliner to begin with since he got stomped with the greatest power up in the series (not counting One Magic).

he is consistently, at best, on the level of holding back Natsu.

he is strong on paper but a scrub in reality.

 

[atlantisreturns]

bruh, don't you even dare defend Zeref

the dude has, like, one questionable high end feat and that's because of his immortality. Zeref really has no feats and I like how some people say how CS have no feats but Zeref is even more featless.

in fact, he only has one feat which and outliner to begin with since he got stomped with the greatest power up in the series (not counting One Magic).

he is consistently, at best, on the level of holding back Natsu.

Not really , Igneel Natsu was bypassing his immortality , it didn't matter at that point of time. Whatever he tanked was via his own durability. He even kept pace with him here :

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Even though he was on the losing end , putting up a fight against Igneel Natsu is a very good feat I'd say.

Yeah , he got stomped , but remember Natsu's 'Blazing Flames of Savage Emotions' has to be >>> Igneel's power. Because Zeref tanked several of Igneel Natsu's attacks and was hoping to finally go down to the very final attack which would've exhausted all the power left within Natsu. If he can tank those attacks and be still standing , and if he goes down to a single attack from the PIS mode of Natsu , it shows that the PIS attack was a lot stronger.

Also this was the same Zeref who has enough power to enchant someone like Irene into a human . Like Irene enchanted Hisui. So take that into consideration too.


And as I said earlier , he was holding back against Natsu and oneshotted him at the end :

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[Demon Hunter]

Igneel's power could kill him because of the power of the dead thing and like I said, one high end feat which is questionable.

bro, it doesn't matter what he tanked nor if Natsu got emotional.

he was punched so hard he couldn't even regenerate.

I don't give two craps about his hype.

dude was a disappointment.

dude lost with the greatest power up. it was wasn't just Zeref.

it doesn't matter what magic he taught to who (btw, Irene wasn't hostile to Zeref anyway and I'm pretty sure any dragon would whoop his ass).

Natsu held back as well, especially when he had Mavis at his mercy and Zeref didn't one shot him and that was base Natsu.

like I said, he is strong on paper but a scrub in reality.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Igneel's power could kill him because of the power of the dead thing and like I said, one high end feat which is questionable.

bro, it doesn't matter what he tanked nor if Natsu got emotional.

he was punched so hard he couldn't even regenerate.

I don't give two craps about his hype.

dude was a disappointment.

dude lost with the greatest power up. it was wasn't just Zeref.

it doesn't matter what magic he taught to who (btw, Irene wasn't hostile to Zeref anyway and I'm pretty sure any dragon would whoop his ass).

Natsu held back as well, especially when he had Mavis at his mercy and Zeref didn't one shot him and that was base Natsu.

like I said, he is strong on paper but a scrub in reality.

Dude he's got like two battles in the series and you're saying one of them is questionable , if there's only two battles in the series which means both of them are legit.

It does matter , obviously does. He tanked Igneel Natsu's attacks and kept up with him in speed , who was basically a Human Acnologia tier at that point. Both August and Gildarts got blitzed by Acno and couldn't even react. Deny it all you want , but it's a fact that Natsu's Savage Dragon Fire form is the strongest in the series bar RoT Acno. Feats prove it. And emotions have always been portrayed to be the strongest in the series , it's not the first time. Like the Tenrou team no sold a full power roar from Acno via PoF , Dragon Cry fueled by Emotions was capable of destroying Ishgar. Even if Mashima's got a boner for Natsu like Starlin has for Thanos ( the recent Thanos defeating One above all crap ) , you've gotta accept it. It's not Natsu's standard form and it's a temporary form btw.

He didn't teach it to Irene , he enchanted her into a human himself. Which proves his MP > Irene's MP , since Wendy confirmed that in order for body enchantments to work the caster's Mp has to be > target's MP.

You're literally downplaying him based on one form of Natsu that isn't his standard form and which is just stronger than any other form of Natsu or anyone in the series. If he can tank Igneel Natsu's attacks and went down to Flames of Emotions Natsu's punch which means Flames of Emotions >>> Igneel Natsu and DF Natsu. Not to mention FoE can burn space and time too.