Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[wothab]

I do somewhat think that Chainsaw Man's violent content is holding it back from marketing somewhat. I mean that I don't see it getting Act-Age treatment anytime soon. It really is a far-cry from the 80's days, were one of the more popular series was Hokuto no Ken....

Definitely.
There are other reasons, sure, but Chainsaw isn't as marketable as AA

 

[Rain Spectre]

Demon Slayer's also pretty violent, although Chainsaw Man does... add at least one layer of gratuity onto that. I still think that it's going to get plenty of marketing once WSJ is ready to start pushing the series. For the most part, if it's okay enough to be in the magazine, it's probably okay enough to market. With Yuuna as the one possible current exception.

Incidentally, this reminds me of a quote from the interview about Kimetsu's development that I always found interesting;

――Please tell us about the process leading up to the serialization of “Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba”.

Katayama: In my fourth year at the company, I had finally returned to the editorial department after working elsewhere in the company, and Gotoge-sensei was one of the first manga artists I was put in charge of. At that time he had just finished his second one-shot manga in Jump, “Rokkotsu-san”, and I was the one who submitted it. Afterwards he told me he wanted to create a series, and we started working on “Haeniwa no Zigzag”, which after failing to be serialized would become his third one-shot publication. I continued to mull over how to make best use of Gotoge-sensei’s style and talent. I came to the conclusion that an easy to understand theme would be best. With that in mind we chose to work off of his award winning debut title, “Ka Gari Gari”. It has simple Japanese motif to it. I thought without a clear motif to the outfits and other elements, it would be difficult to draw up a plan. And so, we borrowed from a theme that everyone is familiar with. The stage was already set in “Ka Gari Gari”, the base was routed in reality, and the concept of the swords and demons needed no explanation to the Japanese audience. With this we created a storyboard based on “Ka Gari Gari”, which came to be known as “Kisatsu no Nagare”. However, due to its serious tone, lack of comic relief and dark story, it didn’t make the cut for serialization. I thought it wouldn’t be able to get through unless the main character wasn’t switched out, and so I asked Gotoge-sensei if there wasn’t a brighter, more normal character in the world he had created. That’s how Tanjiro and “Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba” came to be.

Essentially, it was believed that Kimetsu in its prototype form was too overtly dark for Jump, but the change which "fixed" that was changing the protagonist from a very dark, brooding character, to one who's defined by his kindness. Kinda makes me wonder how editorial feels about Bastard or Death Note, which had protagonists who were basically outright villains.

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

Demon Slayer's also pretty violent, although Chainsaw Man does... add at least one layer of gratuity onto that. I still think that it's going to get plenty of marketing once WSJ is ready to start pushing the series. For the most part, if it's okay enough to be in the magazine, it's probably okay enough to market. With Yuuna as the one possible current exception.

I theorize that Jump has kept quiet about Yuuna since the little controversy in 2017. It only got 1 or 2 covers after that, not counting the all stars covers.

Kinda makes me wonder how editorial feels about Bastard or Death Note, which had protagonists who were basically outright villains.

I wouldn't really call Dark Schneider a villain. Sure, he's an asshole, but he occasionaly has his moments. I think they got away with him because the world of Bastard!! is so over the top and bizarre. It's not really an overtly dark or depressing manga. It never took itself too seriously.
(Reminds me....Bastard!! is also on hiatus..for almost 10 years at this point!)

IDK with Light though....

 

[TyVip]

there was another controversy like couple months ago lol. Yuuna only has like at most 2 covers per year for the last 3 years now

 

[Rain Spectre]

I theorize that Jump has kept quiet about Yuuna since the little controversy in 2017. It only got 1 or 2 covers after that, not counting the all stars covers.

Jump really does seem to overtly avoid having to outright acknowledge Yuuna unless they literally have to. Since the kerfuffle in 2017, it's had only one solo cover (for the anime airing), and its been kept out of direct promotion like promo videos. Basically doing everything to avoid associating it with their brand short of outright cancelling it.

 

[lgrmjauffre]

You're right. They don't want to push Yuuna anymore. That's why it got two basically back to back color pages recently, one causing a "controversy" and the other seemingly coming out just to mock said "controversy". Second longest running romcom in WSJ, by the way. Dead series, though.

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

You're right. They don't want to push Yuuna anymore. That's why it got two basically back to back color pages recently, one causing a "controversy" and the other seemingly coming out just to mock said "controversy". Second longest running romcom in WSJ, by the way. Dead series, though.

I'd argue that the color pages are there for the established readership. We're talking about Jump actively advertising the series to a potetntial new audience. You're not going to see Yuuna bilboards anytime soon.

Yuuna to Jump is like a friend that doesn't mind talking and hanging out with you, but also wouldn't mind stabbing you in the back and running away.

 

[Halloween]

Yuuna to Jump is like a friend that doesn't mind talking to you, but also wouldn't mind stabbing you in the back and running away.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The controversy wasn't really damaging to Jump. Hell, if anything, it likely got more people reading it.

 

[Rain Spectre]

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The controversy wasn't really damaging to Jump. Hell, if anything, it likely got more people reading it.

You're thinking of the wrong controversy, Buranchi. This isn't about the faux outrage about the tapioca nipples, it was this:

Yuragi-sō no Yūna-san Stirs Controversy Over 'Sexual Depictions' in Shonen Jump

This year's 31st issue of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine caused controversy after shipping on July 3. The issue published the latest chapter of...

www.animenewsnetwork.com

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

>Jump really does seem to overtly avoid having to outright acknowledge Yuuna unless they literally have to.

Also the same Jump kees giving color pages, giving good positions for the manga and letting Miura pushes the absolute limit of what the magazine allows to be published.

But yeah, for sure Jump is pretending that Yuuna doesn't exist xD lmaoo

Also, the lack of covers is something normal for ecchi mangas on Jump, To Love-ru had even less covers than Yuuna despite being way popular, you could argue that this is something quite normal for romcoms too, they didn't even bother to give a new cover for WNL season 2.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 11, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 11, 2019 ---

You're thinking of the wrong controversy, Buranchi. This isn't about the faux outrage about the tapioca nipples, it was this:

Yuragi-sō no Yūna-san Stirs Controversy Over 'Sexual Depictions' in Shonen Jump

This year's 31st issue of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine caused controversy after shipping on July 3. The issue published the latest chapter of...

www.animenewsnetwork.com

And Shonen Jump didn't cared at all

 

[Koni]

I wonder why Yuuna-san never got a second season, like most Jump anime nowadays tend to get. Were the sales bad, or did it fail to promote the manga? Not saying it won't happen, but it's kinda telling that most second seasons or continuations are usually announced at the end of the first season, but that wasnt the case for Yuuna.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I wonder why Yuuna-san never got a second season, like most Jump anime nowadays tend to get. Were the sales bad?

Not really, if i remember it sold better than WNL, the limited editions of the manga including OVA also sold well, like between 5k~10k per volume, like i said months ago, i still think that Xebec current situation is one of the big reasons why it didn't got a second season.

 

[SharkBait]

I wonder why Yuuna-san never got a second season, like most Jump anime nowadays tend to get. Were the sales bad, or did it fail to promote the manga? Not saying it won't happen, but it's kinda telling that most second seasons or continuations are usually announced at the end of the first season, but that wasnt the case for Yuuna.

Yuuna second season is in the same place Hinamaru Zumou second season is

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

I wonder why Yuuna-san never got a second season, like most Jump anime nowadays tend to get. Were the sales bad, or did it fail to promote the manga? Not saying it won't happen, but it's kinda telling that most second seasons or continuations are usually announced at the end of the first season, but that wasnt the case for Yuuna.

Xebec went under earlier this year. They got sold to some part of Sunrise. That probably messed things up. If we don't see anything next year, then I'd lose all hope.

a real shame.......chapter 141 needed to be animated.

 

[Ryuusei]

I wonder why Yuuna-san never got a second season, like most Jump anime nowadays tend to get. Were the sales bad, or did it fail to promote the manga? Not saying it won't happen, but it's kinda telling that most second seasons or continuations are usually announced at the end of the first season, but that wasnt the case for Yuuna.

Even with the anime Yuuna's sales dropped volume after volume.

Not really, if i remember it sold better than WNL, the limited editions of the manga including OVA also sold well, like between 5k~10k per volume, like i said months ago, i still think that Xebec current situation is one of the big reasons why it didn't got a second season.

It didn't sell more than WNL. Both animes didn't give either series a boost, however WNL has managed to stay stable for the past 7 volumes (it usually sells around 100k within 3 weeks) while Yuuna has only declined in sales (it usually only stays in the chart for 2 weeks and the last volume only did 50k).

 

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12/9
According to tieba, KnY 18 is already out of stock

 

[lgrmjauffre]

Also, to counter the cover and "wider audience" angle, it's an almost four year old series that was clearly never meant to appeal to wider audiences. It already has the fanbase it was intended for; there's no need to force feed it to others who clearly don't want if if they haven't checked it out after four years.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

It didn't sell more than WNL. Both animes didn't give either series a boost, however WNL has managed to stay stable for the past 7 volumes (it usually sells around 100k within 3 weeks) while Yuuna has only declined in sales (it usually only stays in the chart for 2 weeks and the last volume only did 50k).

I'm talking about the BD sales...

 

[Ryuusei]

I'm talking about the BD sales...

You didn't specify lol.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

You didn't specify lol.

Koni was talking about why the anime didn't get a second season and asked if the sales were bad.