Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kiki]

Yeah, they both said it was given to them or something right? But I was thinking the context was Wendy literally gave those High Enchants to Erza. Maybe I'm just in denial though.

yeah it's giving me headache because runes and Erza's sword are different. Runes come directly from Laxus' hand, so I think it's safe to say it is his own. but sword.......... erza is a teleporter and a swordsman, well swordswoman if there's such term? "wendii shikiden" could either mean 1. wendy enchanted her sword beforehand and erza stores it, 2. wendy taught erza enchantment, the latter then masters it. also there are confusing things like is it natsu and gray's mp? did wendy/erza enchanted only the magic? (sounds weird to me) did erza directly enchant her swords in the midst of battle? things like this i hope we get the clarification later

 

[Demon Hunter]

is it time to change a poll???

my vote goes too Is Erza truly Laxus' equal or something along those lines.

@Axiomus @Kiki @Brandish

 

[Kiki]

is it time to change a poll???

my vote goes too Is Erza truly Laxus' equal or something along those lines.

@Axiomus @Kiki @Brandish

or "how do you put Erza and Laxus in a rank?" so it's fair for both side? ok Randi, Axi, Elite, this is my input. will leave it to you guys

you forgot @XXEliteXXAceXX btw

 

[atlantisreturns]

Well really Laxus missed every named technique he through at Erza, he only really hit her with normal RL punches. Hitting her with Mercury Fulminate would've ended it imo. As for Ajeel damaging Erza seriously, that doesn't improve his durability, it just means his offense is decent, and I don't really even buy that cause like you said, his offense feats aren't that great and he had free shots.
As for Natsu and Gray, Gray was weak at the start of the arc, didn't really use his best shit either and I don't think Natsu is a match for Laxus without FDK and even then I have Laxus the clear stronger.

Well Erza still tanked them . She still tanked punches from his RL mode. And we saw her condition after she was damaged by Ajeel. (even though he required a bit more hits ) And Ajeel's offense was matched by Gray and Natsu.

My point is Laxus isn't all that above Natsu as this fandom thinks. He wouldn't have oneshotted Ajeel back then , and if you want to assume Ajeel would have been killed , then you've to assume that attack was one of Laxus' best attacks. Otherwise him killling Ajeel in one attack doesn't make sense.

 

[Seven777]

Well Erza still tanked them . She still tanked punches from his RL mode. And we saw her condition after she was damaged by Ajeel. (even though he required a bit more hits ) And Ajeel's offense was matched by Gray and Natsu.

My point is Laxus isn't all that above Natsu as this fandom thinks. He wouldn't have oneshotted Ajeel back then , and if you want to assume Ajeel would have been killed , then you've to assume that attack was one of Laxus' best attacks. Otherwise him killling Ajeel in one attack doesn't make sense.

Not really sure what you mean when you say Ajeel's offense was matched be Natsu and Gray's. Offense also doesn't translate to durability.

I think FDK Natsu would make short work of Ajeel too. I'm fine with assuming the nuke was one of Laxus' better attacks, Mashima clearly used it to demonstrate how much stronger he had become. Spell size mainly means hype, and that attack had a lot of hype, It was a flex.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Not really sure what you mean when you say Ajeel's offense was matched be Natsu and Gray's. Offense also doesn't translate to durability.

I think FDK Natsu would make short work of Ajeel too. I'm fine with assuming the nuke was one of Laxus' better attacks, Mashima clearly used it to demonstrate how much stronger he had become. Spell size mainly means hype, and that attack had a lot of hype, It was a flex.

Which means if Ajeel can put Erza in that condition so can Natsu and Gray, just with a little more time than Laxus. ( If their attacks hit her btw )And which means the so called RL attacks aren't all that stronger than Natsu and Gray's top tier attacks. And I've seen some people say Laxus can solo both Natsu and Gray together. So that's BS now.

FDK Natsu would make short work of Ajeel only with his FDK Demolition Fist , since Ajeel's durability more or less scales to Jacob. ( Considering the effect Base Natsu's punches had on Jacob and Ajeel ) Which is why Laxus can't oneshot Ajeel with his casual attacks.

 

[GL_Nova]

Which means if Ajeel can put Erza in that condition so can Natsu and Gray, just with a little more time than Laxus. And which means the so called RL attacks aren't all that stronger than Natsu and Gray's top tier attacks. And I've seen some people say Laxus can solo both Natsu and Gray together. So that's BS now.

FDK Natsu would make short work of Ajeel only with his FDK Demolition Fist , since Ajeel's durability more or less scales to Jacob. ( Considering the effect Base Natsu's punches had on Jacob and Ajeel ) Which is why Laxus can't oneshot Ajeel with his casual attacks.

August disagrees with you though? He has Laxus as wiping Ajeel out with a casual lightning bolt. An seeing as there’s a years worth of growth. The expectation would be that Erza is catching up now. It has no bearing on the obvious difference in power in Alvarez.

 

[atlantisreturns]

August disagrees with you though? He has Laxus as wiping Ajeel out with a casual lightning bolt. An seeing as there’s a years worth of growth. The expectation would be that Erza is catching up now. It has no bearing on the obvious difference in power in Alvarez.

August can be wrong though ?

I don't see what makes you say Laxus can wipe Ajeel with a casual bolt. You need to stop overhyping and worshipping Laxus for a while. We literally saw Erza tank Laxus' RL attacks , which is Laxus' strongest mode. Even if you say Laxus didn't get to use his named strongest attack on Erza , she still tanked shit from Laxus. If Laxus was as strong as you're hyping him to be , Erza should've no sold Ajeel's attacks totally. It shouldn't have affected her. At all. Considering Natsu matched Ajeel's offense , and the same Natsu moments later punched Ajeel in the face which was tanked by Ajeel. Natsu will need his strongest attack , FDK Demolition Fist , to oneshot KO Ajeel. And you're telling me Ajeel's offense which was matched by Base Natsu's casual attacks was able to harm Erza ? Which indirectly means Base Natsu's attacks harm Erza ? The same attacks Ajeel tanked ?

At most I can put him a bit above FDK Natsu since Natsu can't kill Ajeel in one attack. ( considering Laxus would've even killed Ajeel with that attack ) , because the guy's featless apart from cracking down someone who already had a weakness to lightning with his strongest attack , when he was already cured of his sickness. He was essentially featless in Alvarez if we disregard August hyping him. So I don't know why are you choosing August's hype over the canon feats we've got right now.

 

[GL_Nova]

August can be wrong though ?

I don't see what makes you say Laxus can wipe Ajeel with a casual bolt. You need to stop overhyping and worshipping Laxus for a while. We literally saw Erza tank Laxus' RL attacks , which is Laxus' strongest mode. Even if you say Laxus didn't get to use his named strongest attack on Erza , she still tanked shit from Laxus. If Laxus was as strong as you're hyping him to be , Erza should've no sold Ajeel's attacks totally. It shouldn't have affected her. At all. Considering Natsu matched Ajeel's offense , and the same Natsu moments later punched Ajeel in the face which was tanked by Ajeel. Natsu will need his strongest attack , FDK Demolition Fist , to oneshot KO Ajeel. And you're telling me Ajeel's offense which was matched by Base Natsu's casual attacks was able to harm Erza ? Which indirectly means Base Natsu's attacks harm Erza ? The same attacks Ajeel tanked ?

Because the General of the Spriggan, and King of Magic said Ajeel would have died. That means more than any of your pontificating at this point. Prove that he’s wrong. Especially since we already know Laxus is superior to everyone in the guild except Gildarts at that point. I don’t get how you think using Erza losing to Laxus after having an extra year of training disagrees with Laxus having a better performance against Ajeel then her. I mean you would think it would only serve to make it extra obvious how much she grew in the interim.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Because the General of the Spriggan, and King of Magic said Ajeel would have died. That means more than any of your pontificating at this point. Prove that he’s wrong. Especially since we already know Laxus is superior to everyone in the guild except Gildarts at that point. I don’t get how you think using Erza losing to Laxus after having an extra year of training disagrees with Laxus having a better performance against Ajeel then her. I mean you would think it would only serve to make it extra obvious how much she grew in the interim.

No , the general hyping someone is not greater than actual performance. That hype was applicable till now , but not anymore. Unless you assume that was one of his strongest attacks , as Seven777 said , which I don't have any issue with.

I already made my case as to why Laxus can't oneshot Ajeel , I'll just quote my post again.

I just read the latest chapter. I have decided on my verdict on whether Laxus would have oneshotted Ajeel or not. My verdict is NO , he would not have possibly oneshotted him at all.

Now we know Erza is capable of going against Red Lightning just fine. Even though she lost the match , she was more than a match for Laxus , she tanked his Red Lightning attack too. And the relative power levels haven't changed much since Alvarez arc. Nobody has got a mega powerup of sorts that skyrocketed their strength. It's ok to scale them to Alvarez.

For starters , this was Erza's condition after she fought Ajeel :

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Now , we know Ajeel is capable of tanking Base Natsu's punches just fine ( unlike Neinhart ) :

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Natsu needs his FDK Demolition fist , his strongest move ( excluding his temporary forms ) to oneshot enemies who have durability similar to Ajeel like Jacob.

Now , if we're to buy Laxus' hype of oneshotting Ajeel , then his casual attack should scale to Natsu's FDK Demolition fist.

Which means it's safe to assume Laxus' Red Lightning >>>> Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist as far as hype is concerned. ( May be like 10 times stronger ? )

And as recently shown , Erza was able to tank it.

Now you're telling me Erza , who was left in that condition by Ajeel , was able to tank Red Lightning ? It should've outright killed her as far as hype is concerned. It didn't which can only mean we overestimated Laxus' strength. If Erza indeed was capable of tanking an attack many times powerful than the FDK Demolition Fist and traded blows with a person whose CASUAL ATTACKS scale to FDK Demoliton Fist , she should have been able to completely no sell Ajeel's attacks. She couldn't , which means the attacks she tanked from Laxus are weaker than earlier thought.

The one with more feats and on screen fights in this case is Erza. Laxus has got only 2 feats in the Alvarez arc , one is oneshotting Historia of Hades ( who was fodder at that point ) and killing Wahl with his strongest attack , and giving it his all in that attack. Point to be noted since Laxus' Red Lightning went beyond Lightning , Wahl's lightning resistance suit was cancelled and his inherent weakness of lightning of the Machias race again came into play. So killing Wahl = Using Laxus' strongest attack + Lightning weakness of Wahl. Also , Laxus was cured of his sickness at that point . So since Laxus is the guy with few feats , I'm not going to give him the benefit of doubt.

Hence , imo , August was just being paranoid. I'm believing Ajeel here now after the latest chapter.

 

[Axiomus]

@Kiki @Jean Grey As far as the poll goes, the chapter 45 thread already has a Laxus vs Erza poll. So I kind of want to avoid a repeat on this thread. I have a few ideas for the polls.

Natsu can probably gimmick quite a few people with thought projection. But until we see him use those powers again, and more importantly use them to fight on the level of his peers, it's not something I'm going to seriously consider as being in Natsu's arsenal. Not that it matters, because Natsu either with Flames of Emotion or Dragon Force can still edge out everyone else in the guild. I'm putting both Laxus and Erza above FDK though. Red lightning can kill a Spriggan, and Erza's dragon slaying seal scales to that.

I'm going to wait for Mirajane's fight to conclude before I give final judgement. If she beats Skullion, I'll put her up there with Laxus and Erza. If she loses to Skullion,- then I'll put her on the same level as Gray. If something ridiculous happens, like she gets beaten offscreen, then she's below Gray.

I was under the impression that the enchantment on Erza's swords are permanent either way.

 

[Demon Hunter]

my guess is Dragon Seal is permanent for sure.

for the enchant stuff, can't really tell.

if she can have DS magic permanently enchanted then Fire DS magic and DeS magic should be the same in theory.

 

[MangerDan]

@Kiki @Jean Grey As far as the poll goes, the chapter 45 thread already has a Laxus vs Erza poll. So I kind of want to avoid a repeat on this thread. I have a few ideas for the polls.

Natsu can probably gimmick quite a few people with thought projection. But until we see him use those powers again, and more importantly use them to fight on the level of his peers, it's not something I'm going to seriously consider as being in Natsu's arsenal. Not that it matters, because Natsu either with Flames of Emotion or Dragon Force can still edge out everyone else in the guild. I'm putting both Laxus and Erza above FDK though. Red lightning can kill a Spriggan, and Erza's dragon slaying seal scales to that.

I'm going to wait for Mirajane's fight to conclude before I give final judgement. If she beats Skullion, I'll put her up there with Laxus and Erza. If she loses to Skullion,- then I'll put her on the same level as Gray. If something ridiculous happens, like she gets beaten offscreen, then she's below Gray.

I was under the impression that the enchantment on Erza's swords are permanent either way.

You think Erza’s slash against Irene would kill a normal spriggan?

 

[Axiomus]

my guess is Dragon Seal is permanent for sure.

for the enchant stuff, can't really tell.

if she can have DS magic permanently enchanted then Fire DS magic and DeS magic should be the same in theory.

I'm actually not entirely sure on the Dragon Slaying seal. That might just be a thing that Erza learned to do by herself. Gray or Wendy would have to show it on their own before we can be sure they're permanent. The swords however, are items that are enchanted by Wendy. They won't just disappear.

You think Erza’s slash against Irene would kill a normal spriggan?

The one that shocked Irene from her dragon form? Absolutely.

 

[Loke]

The enchantment stuff is unclear for me as well. If Erza really is capable of doing that then there would be no need to have Wendy do it. We saw Wendy do it yet again when they all went at Merc. I'm not against her learning it since it seems like the perfection addition for her The Knight but for now I can't call it

 

[Axiomus]

The enchantment stuff is unclear for me as well. If Erza really is capable of doing that then there would be no need to have Wendy do it. We saw Wendy do it yet again when they all went at Merc. I'm not against her learning it since it seems like the perfection addition for her The Knight but for now I can't call it

I'm assuming the dragon slaying seal is something that only Erza can do because she's more experienced, just like how she held back on releasing her second origin. The swords are physical items, so they are permanent unless they're completely destroyed or something. As for whether or not Erza herself can use enchant....This is not entirely clear.

 

[Brandish μ]

is it time to change a poll???

my vote goes too Is Erza truly Laxus' equal or something along those lines.

@Axiomus @Kiki @Brandish

Pretty much what Axiomus said.

But I do think they are on the same tier now, we have about as much proof of that as we need.

 

[GL_Nova]

No , the general hyping someone is not greater than actual performance. That hype was applicable till now , but not anymore. Unless you assume that was one of his strongest attacks , as Seven777 said , which I don't have any issue with.

I already made my case as to why Laxus can't oneshot Ajeel , I'll just quote my post again.

What are you talking about? August intercepted that attack. He didn’t show up after and just make a random comment from seeing Laxus, or about what he’s heard about FT’s Thunder God. He blocked the attack and then tells Ajeel it would have killed him. I think it’s funny that I would need to assume a random lightning bolt is now one of his strongest attacks when the whole series supports named spells being stronger.

That’s not a case though. Your attempt to use false equivalency to suggest that despite what has been shown the entire series in regards to their power, Erza’s fight is in any way indicative of Laxus potential falls flat. While your attempt to use the new fight to suggest that what a newly healed Laxus would need to beat Wahl (who has massively superior feats) disproves August’s statement does the same.

 

[atlantisreturns]

What are you talking about? August intercepted that attack. He didn’t show up after and just make a random comment from seeing Laxus, or about what he’s heard about FT’s Thunder God. He blocked the attack and then tells Ajeel it would have killed him. I think it’s funny that I would need to assume a random lightning bolt is now one of his strongest attacks when the whole series supports named spells being stronger.

That’s not a case though. Your attempt to use false equivalency to suggest that despite what has been shown the entire series in regards to their power, Erza’s fight is in any way indicative of Laxus potential falls flat. While your attempt to use the new fight to suggest that what a newly healed Laxus would need to beat Wahl (who has massively superior feats) disproves August’s statement does the same.

Yes , and August can make miscalculations. He doesn't underestimate he enemy , so that's why may be he blocked it. And even if he thought it would've killed him , so what ? He's a human , he can make mistakes. He's not omniscient. I think it's funny you're hell bent on cherry picking hype from one statement and preferring it over canon performance because it suits you lol.

It wasn't a serious attack you say ? Fine , it wouldn't have done anything to Ajeel. It wouldn't even have knocked him out , much less kill him.

My analogy is very simple. If Ajeel , whose attack power is matched by Natsu and Gray , can do significant damage to Erza and hurt her , the same Erza who can tank Red Lightning attacks , that means Laxus' attack isn't all that stronger than Natsu and Ajeel. You're refusing to see this.

We literally see Ajeel tanking Base Natsu's punch , the punch which scales to equal to or stronger than Ajeel's attacks. If Erza is hit by it multiple times , she'll be damaged the same way she was damaged against Ajeel. You know how hard you're wanking Laxus ? You're basically saying that the nuke which Laxus dropped on Ajeel was casual AND it would've killed him. Even Natsu with his FDK Demolition Fist cannot KILL Ajeel tier durability enemies in one hit. So , you're basically saying Laxus' Red Lightning >>>> Laxus' casual nuke > Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist >>> Base Natsu's punches.

Oh shit , but someone forgot Erza was damaged by Ajeel's attacks , the attacks which scale to Base Natsu's punches. How did the Erza who could tank the great Laxus' Red Lightning get damaged by such measly attacks , huh ? She should've NO SOLD them totally.

The fact is that unless Laxus gets serious and uses his strongest attacks , he can't oneshot Ajeel. He won't even be able to knock him out , much less kill him. Laxus' normal attacks are only slightly > Natsu's normal attacks. So if the only spell in Natsu's arsenal which can oneshot Ajeel is his FDK Demolition fist , his strongest attack , Laxus will also have to use his strongest attacks to KO/kill Ajeel.

Laxus isn't all that strong get over it. If Natsu and Gray were to join hands against him they would destroy him.

 

[Kiki]

@Kiki @Jean Grey As far as the poll goes, the chapter 45 thread already has a Laxus vs Erza poll. So I kind of want to avoid a repeat on this thread. I have a few ideas for the polls.

not even a poll with different, various options? like same tier, one tier, two tiers? but yeah it may be too exclusive for erza and laxus.......

what are your ideas?