Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

not even a poll with different, various options? like same tier, one tier, two tiers? but yeah it may be too exclusive for erza and laxus.......

what are your ideas?

I'll leave it up to you. Personally I think the latest chapter settles the Laxus vs Erza debate, so there's not much room for debate. It's either Laxus is slightly stronger or they're equals....and the chapter 45 thread basically answers what people feel about that.

I was thinking of doing polls on specific attributes. Like who would be the fastest, have the most attack power, best durability, ect. Maybe even pit specific attributes against each other. Like Jellal's speed vs Erza's durability.

 

[Vis]

Might be a good idea to change it every two weeks/monthly instead of just leaving one up there for like a year.

Topics regarding the Dragon Slayers in relation to other dragons, Mirajane compared to other characters, hax limitations and specific questions that factor in power-scaling such as how much does MP affect battles yada yada also have the tendency to get people talking so just throwing that out there.

 

[Kiki]

I was thinking of doing polls on specific attributes. Like who would be the fastest, have the most attack power, best durability, ect.

hey, that's good idea. reminds me of those top 10 hosted by BluePegasus. wouldnt it be good for it? re-holding such event again. back then we had Ishgar and Alvarez ranking.....

 

[Seven777]

Which means if Ajeel can put Erza in that condition so can Natsu and Gray, just with a little more time than Laxus. ( If their attacks hit her btw )And which means the so called RL attacks aren't all that stronger than Natsu and Gray's top tier attacks. And I've seen some people say Laxus can solo both Natsu and Gray together. So that's BS now.

FDK Natsu would make short work of Ajeel only with his FDK Demolition Fist , since Ajeel's durability more or less scales to Jacob. ( Considering the effect Base Natsu's punches had on Jacob and Ajeel ) Which is why Laxus can't oneshot Ajeel with his casual attacks.

While I think they potentially could, I don't think Ajeel's performance suggests this. Ajeel had a massive advantage against Erza, something Gray and Natsu don't have. Basic RL punches probably aren't stronger than Natsu or Gray's top tier attacks, sure, they're not named techniques, just amped up regular attacks. They should be similar to FDKM Natsu's basic punches, but better. I don't think Laxus could solo Natsu and Gray, the power creep has gotten him.

Not so sure about Ajeel's durability scaling to Jacob's, but I can buy it. Whether it was casual or not I can't say for sure, but that nuke would have killed Ajeel.

 

[GL_Nova]

Yes , and August can make miscalculations. He doesn't underestimate he enemy , so that's why may be he blocked it. And even if he thought it would've killed him , so what ? He's a human , he can make mistakes. He's not omniscient. I think it's funny you're hell bent on cherry picking hype from one statement and preferring it over canon performance because it suits you lol.

It wasn't a serious attack you say ? Fine , it wouldn't have done anything to Ajeel. It wouldn't even have knocked him out , much less kill him.

My analogy is very simple. If Ajeel , whose attack power is matched by Natsu and Gray , can do significant damage to Erza and hurt her , the same Erza who can tank Red Lightning attacks , that means Laxus' attack isn't all that stronger than Natsu and Ajeel. You're refusing to see this.

We literally see Ajeel tanking Base Natsu's punch , the punch which scales to equal to or stronger than Ajeel's attacks. If Erza is hit by it multiple times , she'll be damaged the same way she was damaged against Ajeel. You know how hard you're wanking Laxus ? You're basically saying that the nuke which Laxus dropped on Ajeel was casual AND it would've killed him. Even Natsu with his FDK Demolition Fist cannot KILL Ajeel tier durability enemies in one hit. So , you're basically saying Laxus' Red Lightning >>>> Laxus' casual nuke > Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist >>> Base Natsu's punches.

Oh shit , but someone forgot Erza was damaged by Ajeel's attacks , the attacks which scale to Base Natsu's punches. How did the Erza who could tank the great Laxus' Red Lightning get damaged by such measly attacks , huh ? She should've NO SOLD them totally.

The fact is that unless Laxus gets serious and uses his strongest attacks , he can't oneshot Ajeel. He won't even be able to knock him out , much less kill him. Laxus' normal attacks are only slightly > Natsu's normal attacks. So if the only spell in Natsu's arsenal which can oneshot Ajeel is his FDK Demolition fist , his strongest attack , Laxus will also have to use his strongest attacks to KO/kill Ajeel.

Laxus isn't all that strong get over it. If Natsu and Gray were to join hands against him they would destroy him.

I’m cherry picking? In order for you to be correct August, instead of being the most experienced practitioner in the Empire, worth being known as King of Magic. Blocked an attack because he was unable to gauge its strength, and still got it wrong after he blocked it. Yet he was spot on about literally everything else throughout the manga.

You’re right, I don’t know why I even pay attention to what the characters say. None of them have ever been good judges on magic and how it works. Clearly you know best.

I’m not refusing to see anything. I get your logic, it’s just ridiculously faulty. That logic would work, if we ignore several key elements. 1st let’s ignore that Erza was handicapped during the majority of the fight. Let’s also act like Gray and Natsu are capable of beating Erza. So let’s ignore that she no diffed both of them together in their (arguably) strongest forms. Which would put Laxus, who just beat Erza and has been portrayed as superior the entire series, would have washed either of them. An would slap Ajeel

So all of his base punches are the same strength? The basic punch he gave Ajeel is equal to the enraged punch he gave Neinhart huh? Let’s be serious. I’m not saying the Nuke was casual. It was casual. It’s no more than an amped lightning stroke, the exact same move Laxus has used as his opening salvo against every opponent he’s attacked. It has never been shown to be equal to his spell weaving. An there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it’s comparable now. An this is the same Erza who later fought Irene and survived everything up to and including her dragon form. Is Ajeel equal to Irene because she hurt Erza?

I am implicitly stating that Laxus is > FDKM Natsu. Because his feats back it up.

If current Erza fought Ajeel, she would no sell his attacks. She would likely destroy him.

All of Laxus attacks are more powerful than Natsu’s attacks in base. It’s his modes that would put him over the top.

Natsu and Gray at any point until now would need to team up to beat him. We literally had an entore arc about this. Natsu still hasn’t been officially shown to surpass Erza or Laxus. That was established in the one being of 100YQ. If we’re lucky we’ll see that fight too

 

[Demon Hunter]

Alvarez arc shouldn't even be considered at this point.

shit, if you think Erza didn't improve after that arc then

Natsu has another variation of Dragon Fist, Lucy can combine two Star Dresses, Wendy can now enchant... well everything, Erza has Dragon Seal+DS Fire Magic+DeS Magic, Elfman has a new Take Over, Laxus created his own mode and we are still counting.

 

[Seven777]

Alvarez arc shouldn't even be considered at this point.

shit, if you think Erza didn't improve after that arc then

Natsu has another variation of Dragon Fist, Lucy can combine two Star Dresses, Wendy can now enchant... well everything, Erza has Dragon Seal+DS Fire Magic+DeS Magic, Elfman has a new Take Over, Laxus created his own mode and we are still counting.

Gray is the only member of team Natsu who hasn't shown improvement, even Lisanna has shown more growth than him
But yeah, the timeskip has given everyone a pretty good power boost, a lot better than what most characters got in Alvarez tbh. I mean what did Erza get back then? A bunny armor? Trash.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I mean what did Erza get back then? A bunny armor? Trash.

She had another amor that she used to beat Zeref's worshipper Jerome the dark sword. You can cut the opponent without them noticing getting Cut.

 

[Seven777]

She had another amor that she used to beat Zeref's worshipper Jerome the dark sword. You can cut the opponent without them noticing getting Cut.

Yeah, too bad it was left in the trash with all her other potentially useful armours

 

[GL_Nova]

She had another amor that she used to beat Zeref's worshipper Jerome the dark sword. You can cut the opponent without them noticing getting Cut.

Honestly that thing was dope

 

[MangerDan]

Yeah, too bad it was left in the trash with all her other potentially useful armours

It probably would’ve worked well against Kyria, can’t break a sword you can’t see.

 

[Kiki]

That armor was called Ataraxia. Cool name, and cool abilities too. Truly Erza's magic: teleport and telekinesis.

 

[GL_Nova]

Gray is the only member of team Natsu who hasn't shown improvement, even Lisanna has shown more growth than him
But yeah, the timeskip has given everyone a pretty good power boost, a lot better than what most characters got in Alvarez tbh. I mean what did Erza get back then? A bunny armor? Trash.

That’s why I’m scared for Jellal. Gray hasn’t gotten a good fight yet, and everyone else is down worth fighting. Maybe he’ll luck up and face their entire group after getting a turn to beat Kyria.

 

[Demon Hunter]

That’s why I’m scared for Jellal. Gray hasn’t gotten a good fight yet, and everyone else is down worth fighting. Maybe he’ll luck up and face their entire group after getting a turn to beat Kyria.

he will probably get something like he did in Alvarez (I hope not since it was made up on the spot).

he'll be featless and then bang a top tier all of sudden in one chapter.

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hey here is an idea for poll @Axiomus @XXEliteXXAceXX @Brandish @Kiki

since a lot of people think dual mode for Natsu is fodder level compared to FDK stuff, we could add a poll whether or not FDKM is above LFDM or whether or not he can use FDK spells in LFDM.

now that would be neat.

 

[GL_Nova]

he will probably get something like he did in Alvarez (I hope not since it was made up on the spot).

he'll be featless and then bang a top tier all of sudden in one chapter.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 21, 2019 ---

hey here is an idea for poll @Axiomus @XXEliteXXAceXX @Brandish @Kiki

since a lot of people think dual mode for Natsu is fodder level compared to FDK stuff, we could add a poll whether or not FDKM is above LFDM or whether or not he can use FDK spells in LFDM.

now that would be neat.

Yo, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to use at least a Demo Fist

 

[Axiomus]

I see no reason why he couldn't use FDK spells in LFD mode. Natsu is able to use FDK and LFD spells without the mode, and can use FDK spells in dragon force.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Yo, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to use at least a Demo Fist

I see no reason why he couldn't use FDK spells in LFD mode. Natsu is able to use FDK and LFD spells without the mode, and can use FDK spells in dragon force.

my boys using logic

which means they think Gajeel is one of the top tiers

 

[atlantisreturns]

I’m cherry picking? In order for you to be correct August, instead of being the most experienced practitioner in the Empire, worth being known as King of Magic. Blocked an attack because he was unable to gauge its strength, and still got it wrong after he blocked it. Yet he was spot on about literally everything else throughout the manga.

You’re right, I don’t know why I even pay attention to what the characters say. None of them have ever been good judges on magic and how it works. Clearly you know best.

I’m not refusing to see anything. I get your logic, it’s just ridiculously faulty. That logic would work, if we ignore several key elements. 1st let’s ignore that Erza was handicapped during the majority of the fight. Let’s also act like Gray and Natsu are capable of beating Erza. So let’s ignore that she no diffed both of them together in their (arguably) strongest forms. Which would put Laxus, who just beat Erza and has been portrayed as superior the entire series, would have washed either of them. An would slap Ajeel

So all of his base punches are the same strength? The basic punch he gave Ajeel is equal to the enraged punch he gave Neinhart huh? Let’s be serious. I’m not saying the Nuke was casual. It was casual. It’s no more than an amped lightning stroke, the exact same move Laxus has used as his opening salvo against every opponent he’s attacked. It has never been shown to be equal to his spell weaving. An there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it’s comparable now. An this is the same Erza who later fought Irene and survived everything up to and including her dragon form. Is Ajeel equal to Irene because she hurt Erza?

I am implicitly stating that Laxus is > FDKM Natsu. Because his feats back it up.

If current Erza fought Ajeel, she would no sell his attacks. She would likely destroy him.

All of Laxus attacks are more powerful than Natsu’s attacks in base. It’s his modes that would put him over the top.

Natsu and Gray at any point until now would need to team up to beat him. We literally had an entore arc about this. Natsu still hasn’t been officially shown to surpass Erza or Laxus. That was established in the one being of 100YQ. If we’re lucky we’ll see that fight too

I am judging by the facts I'm given now in the 100 Years Quest. August's opinion is irrelevant to me since I have Mashima's opinion with me now. One of the objectives of the 100 year quest was to make the power scaling of the show clear. If performance contradicts with opinion , then performance should be given first preference. Till now , it was okay. But not now.

It shouldn't matter if Erza is handicapped or not. It shouldn't. If you can go toe to toe with and take serious hits from a very famous and top boxer , then a 7 year old's attacks shouldn't affect you even if your hands and legs are tied up and he's allowed to hit you. If they do which means the boxer doesn't deserve his qualifications because you're being scaled to him. Then it matters jack shit if he's been acclaimed by very famous critics or not ( August in this case ) , praises from critics can't hide your performance.

The base punch on Ajeel might be weaker than the one with Neinhart but we still know Natsu can't kill Ajeel with his FDK Demolition Fist via scaling to Jacob. Jacob was only knocked out by it , he wasn't killed. Okay , let's ignore the fight and look at it this way. Erza has to stand in one place and let Ajeel hit her. And she has to endure his attacks. Basically it's a durability test for Erza. This is exactly what happened in their battle. It was a durability test. And she passed , but just barely. What does that mean ? It means that the showing we saw there was her cap in durability at that point of time.

I don't care whether Ajeel can defeat someone or not. Even I know Ajeel had a ridiculous advantage against Erza , need not tell me that. But , we can surely tell Laxus' attack potency by comparing it to Erza 's durability. Because both Erza and Laxus improved over the timeskip , so improvement shouldn't matter all that much. Now some people made the arguement Erza is a genius and improved a lot more during the timeskip , but she improved to the extent of getting damaged by Base Natsu tier punches to tanking attacks 10 times stronger than Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist ? I mean , shit , were Natsu and Laxus sitting at home shitting eggs all this time that Erza surpassed them by such an extent ? They're so dumb and slow at learning ? I don't buy it tbf.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

my boys using logic

which means they think Gajeel is one of the top tiers

Gajeel even tanked Natsu's DF with his own DF. We just didn't see it.

 

[Axiomus]

my boys using logic

which means they think Gajeel is one of the top tiers

Well being able to do it, and actually having done it, are 2 different things. Its impossible to tell just what Natsu used against Gajeel. I won't argue against Gajeel being a top tier though.