Fantasy August Runs Gauntlet

[Sevently]

hey, CSK uses sword right???

he can't copy that I guess.

does he really need to copy his sword to beat him ? we are talking about August not a fodder

 

[Jko]

I said "might". I think Alvarez Lucy's improvement is at least as great as everyone else's, likely greater, so CSK should scale with that to final boss tier of that arc. So yeah, imo CSK alone is a match for August. Feat-wise he's got nothing since he hasn't appeared since Tartaros, I still think he could solo though.

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probably happened, according to Zeref he has been killed and regenerated a bunch of times. He really is that weak. Random nameless characters can slaughter that fodder.


The same can be said for any DS mage, the magic is theirs now. Cana also currently still uses the tatoo

Except it is not. The enchantment on Dragon Slayers are permanent as they still have the DS seed inside them. DeS and FG also can be learned DS magic however can't be.

Where is this Stigma that August can't copy DS magic. It's a caster type just like Ice Make and Heavenly Body. August said he can master Caster types but no Holder type.

It's bcs he can't copy powers that have use their power through a medium or an external source. As soon as Gild used his magic through his prosthetic arm August couldn't copy it and nullify it. If he was a DS it would've been highlighted that he was.

August actually can't copy every caster magic as some need specific things for it to work. Take for example takeover. He wouldn't be able to copy the spell bcs he wouldn't have the necessary requirements to use it (he would need the soul to transform).

 

[Seven777]

Except it is not. The enchantment on Dragon Slayers are permanent as they still have the DS seed inside them. DeS and FG also can be learned DS magic however can't be.


It's bcs he can't copy powers that have use their power through a medium or an external source. As soon as Gild used his magic through his prosthetic arm August couldn't copy it and nullify it. If he was a DS it would've been highlighted that he was.

August actually can't copy every caster magic as some need specific things for it to work. Take for example takeover. He wouldn't be able to copy the spell bcs he wouldn't have the necessary requirements to use it (he would need the soul to transform).

Natsu has no seed, DS seeds are a result of DS magic's use, they aren't a requirement for the magic to function. And FG is also permanent, as evidenced by Cana's tatoo still existing after Mavis' death. DS magic also can be learned, as seen by Elsferia.

He can probably copy takeover and souls too, since it's not holder magic.

 

[Jko]

Natsu has no seed, DS seeds are a result of DS magic's use, they aren't a requirement for the magic to function. And FG is also permanent, as evidenced by Cana's tatoo still existing after Mavis' death. DS magic also can be learned, as seen by Elsferia.

He can probably copy takeover and souls too, since it's not holder magic.

Natsu does have his seed lol. It was already explained he needs the seed to use DS. DS seeds are the reason First Gen have the magic and the growth of seed is caused by the over use of the magic. Cana can use FG bcs she learned how to use it without Mavis. Cana only can use it once as it was shown in GMG that she needed Mavis to give it to her again. Anyone can learn FG and it doesn't require someone bestowing it to you lol.

Nah. His magic has clear limitations so I don't see him copying anyone magic that has a certain requirement i.e. Lucy's keys, DS lacrima or Seed, the soul of a takeover, ect. If he could he would be able to copy holder magic and he would've have copied DS magic as they were gearing up to fight Acno, a Dragon.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Actually there are many unknowns here if you think about it.

1) We don't know whether he can keep his copied spells forever with him or he loses them afterwards.

2) We don't know whether he can copy magic that's not aimed at him. The magic he's copied till now was aimed at him.

3) We don't know what is his sensory range for copying magic. He can't copy someone 400 miles away , right ? As long as they're outside his sensory range they should be fine.

 

[sharkai]

Could stop at round 4 if erza goes full pof stat.

Doesnt matter if he can copy DS (which he cant, because then he would be like the second strongest DS, aconologia missing that too, lol)
Even if he copies he aint fighting on the same level as a dragon
Base DS << dragon force DS << dragonize DS

Unless people are saying august can dragonize in 5 seconds too


So stops at Irene

Actually there are many unknowns here if you think about it.

1) We don't know whether he can keep his copied spells forever with him or he loses them afterwards.

2) We don't know whether he can copy magic that's not aimed at him. The magic he's copied till now was aimed at him.

3) We don't know what is his sensory range for copying magic. He can't copy someone 400 miles away , right ? As long as they're outside his sensory range they should be fine.

If he could keep the copied magic than cana cards would have been useless

 

[Seven777]

Natsu does have his seed lol. It was already explained he needs the seed to use DS. DS seeds are the reason First Gen have the magic and the growth of seed is caused by the over use of the magic. Cana can use FG bcs she learned how to use it without Mavis. Cana only can use it once as it was shown in GMG that she needed Mavis to give it to her again. Anyone can learn FG and it doesn't require someone bestowing it to you lol.

Nah. His magic has clear limitations so I don't see him copying anyone magic that has a certain requirement i.e. Lucy's keys, DS lacrima or Seed, the soul of a takeover, ect. If he could he would be able to copy holder magic and he would've have copied DS magic as they were gearing up to fight Acno, a Dragon.

No he destroyed his seed, and he can still use the magic. Where is it said he needs the seed to use DS magic? August doesn't need a seed to use DS magic, because DS mages don't even need a seed to do it.
Except Cana was bestowed it by Mavis, as seen by the tattoo, she just never took it back the next time.

Yeah, his limitations are no holder magics. He did copy DS magic, we already know he copied Natsu's, probably copied Cobra's, and probably God Serena's too. Not that there'd be any point in him preparing at all, since Acno is immune to magic.

 

[Demon Hunter]

No he destroyed his seed, and he can still use the magic. Where is it said he needs the seed to use DS magic? August doesn't need a seed to use DS magic, because DS mages don't even need a seed to do it.
Except Cana was bestowed it by Mavis, as seen by the tattoo, she just never took it back the next time.

Yeah, his limitations are no holder magics. He did copy DS magic, we already know he copied Natsu's, probably copied Cobra's, and probably God Serena's too. Not that there'd be any point in him preparing at all, since Acno is immune to magic.

gotta do it for Acno too

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[Seven777]

Could stop at round 4 if erza goes full pof stat.

Doesnt matter if he can copy DS (which he cant, because then he would be like the second strongest DS, aconologia missing that too, lol)
Even if he copies he aint fighting on the same level as a dragon
Base DS << dragon force DS << dragonize DS

Unless people are saying august can dragonize in 5 seconds too


So stops at Irene


If he could keep the copied magic than cana cards would have been useless

He doesn't need to dragonize, as a human without DS magic he is already above Eileen. Adding DS magic to that(which he has, he's got fire DS minimum) just makes it a massacre.

 

[Jko]

No he destroyed his seed, and he can still use the magic. Where is it said he needs the seed to use DS magic? August doesn't need a seed to use DS magic, because DS mages don't even need a seed to do it.
Except Cana was bestowed it by Mavis, as seen by the tattoo, she just never took it back the next time.

Yeah, his limitations are no holder magics. He did copy DS magic, we already know he copied Natsu's, probably copied Cobra's, and probably God Serena's too. Not that there'd be any point in him preparing at all, since Acno is immune to magic.

He never destroyed the seed lol. It was just a representation of him choosing to be human which stopped the two seeds from conflicting with each other. It was all mental and nothing to do with it being actually destroyed. Either way he needs to be enchanted by a Dragon or have a lacrima of DS magic in order to use it which he has neither requirements therefore he can't use DS magic.

She didn't even have the Tattoo in Alvarez when she used FG on Mavis and August lol. Mavis bestowed FG on Cana two different times as well which means the spell is only a one time use and needs to be bestowed upon again.

He never copied Natsu's DS magic, Cobra's hearing magic is not DS magic, and there was nothing that suggested he had GS' DS magic. But DS magic did work in the end lol. Plus DS magic is the only way to bypass his scales. It would be utterly useless to try and attack him with anything but DS magic. Every DS in the show has been noted as a DS yet August supposedly had DS magic and was never stated in the text or the author to have DS magic? Nah, August will have to prove to be able to use it.

 

[Ebony Maw]

1) We don't know whether he can keep his copied spells forever with him or he loses them afterwards.

Actually we do know he keeps them, he used Meteor against Gildarts.

2) We don't know whether he can copy magic that's not aimed at him. The magic he's copied till now was aimed at him.

3) We don't know what is his sensory range for copying magic. He can't copy someone 400 miles away , right ? As long as they're outside his sensory range they should be fine.

August can clearly copy Magic that's not aimed at him, his use of Melt vs Natsu was done without Natsu even attacking him, which makes me think August didn't actually copy him. Rather, his use of Melt was actually Purgatory Dragon Slaying Magic that he copied from Serena. It would explain the cryptic "God Serena is with me" comment, not to mention it makes more sense than him somehow copying Natsu without ever being attacked by him. It also answers the question of August's 'sensory range', as you put it.

And before anyone brings it up (not addressing you in particular here, this is more just a general disclaimer) Melt was almost certainly a copied DS spell. When Gildarts is explaining how his Magic works a few examples of copied spells are in the background - Melt being one of them. And the only heat/fire based spell we know August ever saw prior to Melt was God Serena's attack on the GOI.


Edit: Merry Christmas/Happy holidays folks! Hope you're all having a good one.

 

[sharkai]

He doesn't need to dragonize, as a human without DS magic he is already above Eileen. Adding DS magic to that(which he has, he's got fire DS minimum) just makes it a massacre.

But he is not. He is supposed to be equal, mp wise atleast to human irene.

Irene stats did improve when she went dragon, did her mp also increase?

I am just saying, if they are equal, which was stated ( maybe august slightly stronger) and he copies DS, he still wont reach the strongest form of DS, which is a dragon.

And why did irene leave her Dragon form? I mean wasnt she stuck in her dragon form for 400 years, all she had to do was injure herself?

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Actually we do know he keeps them, he used Meteor against Gildarts.

August can clearly copy Magic that's not aimed at him, his use of Melt vs Natsu was done without Natsu even attacking him, which makes me think August didn't actually copy him. Rather, his use of Melt was actually Purgatory Dragon Slaying Magic that he copied from Serena. It would explain the cryptic "God Serena is with me" comment, not to mention it makes more sense than him somehow copying Natsu without ever being attacked by him. It also answers the question of August's 'sensory range', as you put it.

And before anyone brings it up (not addressing you in particular here, this is more just a general disclaimer) Melt was almost certainly a copied DS spell. When Gildarts is explaining how his Magic works a few examples of copied spells are in the background - Melt being one of them. And the only heat/fire based spell we know August ever saw prior to Melt was God Serena's attack on the GOI.


Edit: Merry Christmas/Happy holidays folks! Hope you're all having a good one.

We actually dont know whether he used meteor, he had some light glowing around his body when tried to blitz cana and gildarts. Cana did react to him. And he never said spell name. Same for melt, never said dragon melt or something. So also thats doent need to be serena DS magic

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Dragon needs to teach or enchant DS magic into dragonslayers.
natsu shouldnt be able to teach DS magoc to someone. That is why i think August cant copy ds magic. Well technically i think he cant even keep copied magic, otherwise cana cards would be useless against him.
I think he had more knowledge of magic than hades, but thats about it.

 

[Jko]

Irene was stated to rival August in human form. Her Dragon form os clearly stronger since it gets a major boost in power. Not to mention she is a hard counter to his magic since she can put her magic into objects and then use her enchantments that way. So stops at 3.

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August can clearly copy Magic that's not aimed at him, his use of Melt vs Natsu was done without Natsu even attacking him, which makes me think August didn't actually copy him.

Melt is not Natsu's spell lol. Natsu would have been shocked as hell to see August using his own flames. August has to wait until the magic is in play to copy it otherwise he wouldn't be surprised by people's magics in the first place.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Melt is not Natsu's spell lol. Natsu would have been shocked as hell to see August using his own flames. August has to wait until the magic is in play to copy it otherwise he wouldn't be surprised by people's magics in the first place.

Yeah I should have been more concrete on that, Melt is almost certainly Serena's Magic IMO, just didn't want to sound arrogant.

We actually dont know whether he used meteor, he had some light glowing around his body when tried to blitz cana and gildarts. Cana did react to him. And he never said spell name. Same for melt, never said dragon melt or something. So also thats doent need to be serena DS magic

August doesn't really seem to say spell names in general (at least in the scans I have access to):

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Even with Ars Magia, August doesn't actually say the name. Considering this pattern, not to mention the fact that all the spells he used (barring Ars Magia) look like direct copies, I think its safe to say that August did use Meteor. For this reason, along with his weird "God Serena is with me" line, I think there's a good chance that Melt is a powered up version of Serena's Purgatory DS Magic (similar to how his version of Reflector absolutely dwarfed Midnight's).

Also Cana didn't manage to react to August's speed, both her and Gildarts got blitzed.

 

[sharkai]

Yeah I should have been more concrete on that, Melt is almost certainly Serena's Magic IMO, just didn't want to sound arrogant.

August doesn't really seem to say spell names in general (at least in the scans I have access to):

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Even with Ars Magia, August doesn't actually say the name. Considering this pattern, not to mention the fact that all the spells he used (barring Ars Magia) look like direct copies, I think its safe to say that August did use Meteor. For this reason, along with his weird "God Serena is with me" line, I think there's a good chance that Melt is a powered up version of Serena's Purgatory DS Magic (similar to how his version of Reflector absolutely dwarfed Midnight's).

Also Cana didn't manage to react to August's speed, both her and Gildarts got blitzed.

Valid point

But that leaves doubt. We dont know what spells those were

Cana reacted in a sense that she raised her arm to defend. That doesnt help cana much, but she did try to defend, see her arms after tye blitz. Melt doesnt look like serena magic, glowing body while blitzing doesnt neccessary have to be meteor. Soooo

Beside if he keeps magic than where was midnight refractor. Would have made cana gildards metal arm useless too

 

[Seven777]

But he is not. He is supposed to be equal, mp wise atleast to human irene.

Irene stats did improve when she went dragon, did her mp also increase?

I am just saying, if they are equal, which was stated ( maybe august slightly stronger) and he copies DS, he still wont reach the strongest form of DS, which is a dragon.

And why did irene leave her Dragon form? I mean wasnt she stuck in her dragon form for 400 years, all she had to do was injure herself?

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We actually dont know whether he used meteor, he had some light glowing around his body when tried to blitz cana and gildarts. Cana did react to him. And he never said spell name. Same for melt, never said dragon melt or something. So also thats doent need to be serena DS magic

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Dragon needs to teach or enchant DS magic into dragonslayers.
natsu shouldnt be able to teach DS magoc to someone. That is why i think August cant copy ds magic. Well technically i think he cant even keep copied magic, otherwise cana cards would be useless against him.
I think he had more knowledge of magic than hades, but thats about it.

No, no one ever makes any caviats that they are only ever equal when Eileen is human, when you say two characters are comparable you aren't comparing one in their weakest form and one in their strongest, you compare both at their strongest. Besides, Mashima had August state himself that he is the most powerful spriggan, and that was after Eileen revealed her dragon form, but we already knew this from so many other factors, like all the editor notes, him being chosen as her superior, the fact that he was last to go down and that he was the one to face Gildarts, the strongest member of FT. Eileen in her dragon form is weaker than August.

He never destroyed the seed lol. It was just a representation of him choosing to be human which stopped the two seeds from conflicting with each other. It was all mental and nothing to do with it being actually destroyed. Either way he needs to be enchanted by a Dragon or have a lacrima of DS magic in order to use it which he has neither requirements therefore he can't use DS magic.

She didn't even have the Tattoo in Alvarez when she used FG on Mavis and August lol. Mavis bestowed FG on Cana two different times as well which means the spell is only a one time use and needs to be bestowed upon again.

He never copied Natsu's DS magic, Cobra's hearing magic is not DS magic, and there was nothing that suggested he had GS' DS magic. But DS magic did work in the end lol. Plus DS magic is the only way to bypass his scales. It would be utterly useless to try and attack him with anything but DS magic. Every DS in the show has been noted as a DS yet August supposedly had DS magic and was never stated in the text or the author to have DS magic? Nah, August will have to prove to be able to use it.

We literally see it shatter.
Just like Cana originally needed to be given Fairy Glitter, and Gray originally needed to be given DeS magic. The power is theirs now, all theirs, so he can copy it. And no, neither are a requirement, as seen by Elsferia.

Cana does have the tattoo against August, she does have it against Mavis, and she does have it now. The spell also isn't a one time use, even after Cana used it on Bluenote, Bluenote could still take it off her.

He was confirmed to copy Natsu's DS magic by Gildarts. I didn't say Cobra's sound magic was DS magic, just that August probably copied his DS magic too, since no one in Crime Sorciere could scratch August, including Cobra, and no one figured out his weakness through Cobra either. August's comment about God Serena being with him, and a little glow probably means he has his magic.
It did work in the end, but we have no idea why that's the case lol.
No, August by default is assumed as a DS because he has faced DS before. It being confirmed by GIldarts just sets it in stone. As for every DS being noted as a DS, thats only if it a main part of their powers. I mean Neinhart is technically a God Slayer, and a DS too, but no one noted that, because thats not his true magic, same with Bloodman technically being a Devil Slayer.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@sharkai being equal in MP means nothing.

shit, the entire Alvarez arc taught us that.

August most likely has DS magic. if he doesn't then you may argue Irene >>> August since not even August or Gildarts can hurt a dragon without DS magic.

he most likely have it.

he went around the world copying magic so he most likely got DS one as well.

hell, I hate August since he is just a copy cat and the fact that he is the offspring of Zeref and Mavis and how he is stupid asf but he is too hax for anybody.

did you know that I didn't even read a chapter about his backstory even to this day

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Dragon needs to teach or enchant DS magic into dragonslayers.

Mashima butchered this at the very beginning of the sequel since Elfseria self-taught himself dragon slayer magic.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Mashima butchered this at the very beginning of the sequel since Elfseria self-taught himself dragon slayer magic.

yeah, LoL.

Dragons were supposed to imbue people with DS magic or you have to have a literal Dragon lacrima.

it actually started with Acnologia.

since he despised dragons, he decided to learn DS magic all by himself since I doubt anyone taught him since he hated them because of their betrayal.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

ince he despised dragons, he decided to learn DS magic all by himself since I doubt anyone taught him since he hated them because of their betrayal.

ya, If he got his powers from a dragon then he is shameless trash as well as a beggar Dragon Slayer like the rest. I really expected him to be a great warrior but instead, he was a fodder doctor.

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But he was talented than Irene though. At least he didn't need help from fodder Zeref to transform the very first time.