Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

How so? He doesn't know time magic, right?
In the manga, Dimaria said he moved through the timestop, indicating he overpowered it.



Damn, Mashima is shitting on Gray lmao, he's a main character FFS

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@August_Lightning
Damn, that Laxus GIF.............

Which episode?

Idk, one if the fillers between the GMG and Tartaros

 

[grey matter]

even if it does, MP means nothing nowdays.

Neinhart was enchanted by Irene herself though, Kiria's hax didn't work on Laxus because of his weak heart.

Brandish' magic worked on August, Mest' magic worked on Brandish, Marin' magic worked on Jacob etc

hax is idiotic IMO.

I rate FDK stuff way above END.

It sure must be dependent on relative magic power. Or else Dimaria > all Spriggan except August, but that's not the case even canonically. Scratch that, Dimaria is then all that's required to beat Acnologia. Have Dimaria stop time for Acno, have her release it for Dragon Slayers, donezo!
IMO Dimaria clearly can't do it.

Yeah, Neinhart was able to resist because his magic power was amped by Eileen.

Brandish used magic on her knife, not on August himself. If you're talking about her shrinking August's wounds, August clearly gave her consent for that.

Completely fucking agreed lol. Hax is just boring and lazy writing IMO, especially shit like time stop. I'm fine with haxes with moderation tho: like Midnight's reflector, fairy law, Mest's mind control, Ajeel's intangibility, Jellal's self destruction or bind snake, Rouge's shadow mode etc.....even Erza's Nakagami..........There are reasonable counters to those, or they have some limitations (like cast time, time limit, area limit etc).
But shit like timestop and August hax tho......WTF are those !?

Makes no sense that END < FDKM. FDKM with Igneel flames? Sure

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MP doesn't matter, overall strength matters. If Mashima views a certain character stronger than another, then hax or no that character will win. They don't even necessarily need to find a counter to the hax, or be immune to it, or even have too much MP for it, they'll just win. Like END vs Dimaria, END was stronger so he won, with Dimaria's hax not mattering at all. Laxus vs Wahl, Laxus was stronger, so lightning immunity can't stop him from killing Wahl. Jellal vs OS, Jellal was stronger, so Midnight's hax don't mean shit, Jellal didn't even need a special method to get around Reflector, his spells just hit regardless. The only time hax works on someone stronger is when plot needs it to, to get rid of that stronger character for a while, like Mest and Brandish or Aria and Makarov, and this almost always happens as a surprise attack.

Power>Hax. No matter how good your hax is, whether its Dimaria, Brandish, Seilah or whoever, if they ever face someone stronger than they are, then they'll lose, even with their logically unbeatable hax.

Basically hax doesn't work if relative power is too high..........

 

[Ramen]

It sure must be dependent on relative magic power. Or else Dimaria > all Spriggan except August, but that's not the case even canonically. Scratch that, Dimaria is then all that's required to beat Acnologia. Have Dimaria stop time for Acno, have her release it for Dragon Slayers, donezo!
IMO Dimaria clearly can't do it.

Yeah, Neinhart was able to resist because his magic power was amped by Eileen.

Brandish used magic on her knife, not on August himself. If you're talking about her shrinking August's wounds, August clearly gave her consent for that.

Completely fucking agreed lol. Hax is just boring and lazy writing IMO, especially shit like time stop. I'm fine with haxes with moderation tho: like Midnight's reflector, fairy law, Mest's mind control, Ajeel's intangibility, Jellal's self destruction or bind snake, Rouge's shadow mode etc.....even Erza's Nakagami..........There are reasonable counters to those, or they have some limitations (like cast time, time limit, area limit etc).
But shit like timestop and August hax tho......WTF are those !?

Makes no sense that END < FDKM. FDKM with Igneel flames? Sure

Why does it not make Sense FDKM > END? We say now no named spells and one fight that was bs from END.

 

[grey matter]

Why does it not make Sense FDKM > END? We say now no named spells and one fight that was bs from END.

They way he fucked up Dimaria. END was only getting stronger since, he was getting more demonic (stronger) as the fight progressed, which means he got significantly stronger than when he finished off Dimaria. Also, yes, hype lol.

 

[Ramen]

They way he fucked up Dimaria. END was only getting stronger since, he was getting more demonic (stronger) as the fight progressed, which means he got significantly stronger than when he finished off Dimaria. Also, yes, hype lol.

So? One Dimaria feat doesn't put him over the dozens of feats that FDKM even without Igneel's flames has. As the fight progressed, it was a stalemate.

But if you wanna include hype then sure.

 

[Demon Hunter]

It sure must be dependent on relative magic power. Or else Dimaria > all Spriggan except August, but that's not the case even canonically. Scratch that, Dimaria is then all that's required to beat Acnologia. Have Dimaria stop time for Acno, have her release it for Dragon Slayers, donezo!
IMO Dimaria clearly can't do it.

Yeah, Neinhart was able to resist because his magic power was amped by Eileen.

Brandish used magic on her knife, not on August himself. If you're talking about her shrinking August's wounds, August clearly gave her consent for that.

Completely fucking agreed lol. Hax is just boring and lazy writing IMO, especially shit like time stop. I'm fine with haxes with moderation tho: like Midnight's reflector, fairy law, Mest's mind control, Ajeel's intangibility, Jellal's self destruction or bind snake, Rouge's shadow mode etc.....even Erza's Nakagami..........There are reasonable counters to those, or they have some limitations (like cast time, time limit, area limit etc).
But shit like timestop and August hax tho......WTF are those !?

Makes no sense that END < FDKM. FDKM with Igneel flames? Sure

full END sure.

the one who fought Gray???

hell no.

 

[Ramen]

full END sure.

the one who fought Gray???

hell no.

But we don't know anything about a full END.

 

[Demon Hunter]

They way he fucked up Dimaria. END was only getting stronger since, he was getting more demonic (stronger) as the fight progressed, which means he got significantly stronger than when he finished off Dimaria. Also, yes, hype lol.

Dimaria was in base though.

if you move in her hax then she is weak asf (Wendy and Sherria > base Dimaria).

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But we don't know anything about a full END.

eh true.

but hype for Natsu is always true so full END is most likely OP asf.

 

[grey matter]

So? One Dimaria feat doesn't put him over the dozens of feats that FDKM even without Igneel's flames has. As the fight progressed, it was a stalemate.

But if you wanna include hype then sure.

It's the way he fucked her up. Dimaria was acting like she was scarred for life lol, was utterly terrified of his power. Which means he should at least be a tier above her. And he only kept getting stronger.
FDKM has one shotted Jacob and a featless war god, what other feats does it have? Don't get me wrong, FDKM is clearly strong, I think it's between 2-2.5x boost to base. But I see no evidence that it's stronger than END.

full END sure.

the one who fought Gray???

hell no.

^^

He's getting downplayed because people think Gray is weak.
Gray just had beat Invel, Zeref's right hand man (he's at least top 6 Spriggan) and had got a big powerboost from that fight.

END and Gray had been trading blows and spells all along, and Erza stopping their blows caused significant damage to her arms (the arm to Gray was crumbling and arm to END was fried). Clearly they're not weak,

But we don't know anything about a full END.

We know that he was strong enough to get Acno interested to show up in Tartarus. But then again, Mashima completely fucked up that storyline by retconning everything to having Mard 'made up' the story about END.
So, I don't know.

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Dimaria was in base though.

if you move in her hax then she is weak asf (Wendy and Sherria > base Dimaria).

For all we know, she could've gone God mode in her timestop, and returned back once she was done

 

[Plutogrim]

Based on hype and feat, is it possible for Mirajane to provide Laxus a high diff fight just like Erza?

 

[Demon Hunter]

^^

He's getting downplayed because people think Gray is weak.
Gray just had beat Invel, Zeref's right hand man (he's at least top 6 Spriggan) and had got a big powerboost from that fight.

END and Gray had been trading blows and spells all along, and Erza stopping their blows caused significant damage to her arms (the arm to Gray was crumbling and arm to END was fried). Clearly they're not weak,

Gray is my number 1.

I would wank him to high heavens but I don't see him that OP back during Alvarez (Invel is meh tbh).

partial END is strong but not as much as some people think.

as for Dimaria being afraid, no one is afraid of Acnologia so much so that point is moot tbh.

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For all we know, she could've gone God mode in her timestop, and returned back once she was done

she was hit twice.

once from the back and immediately after when Natsu thought Lucy dead.

it was stated in Q&A iirc.

 

[grey matter]

Based on hype and feat, is it possible for Mirajane to provide Laxus a high diff fight just like Erza?

IMO mid diff; based on hype.

The only reason Erza got so far was because she got buff'd by Natsu's and Gray's power.

I think:
Erza (non buffed) defeats Mira high-extreme high diff
Laxus beats Erza (non buffed) mid-high diff

So,
Laxus beats Mira mid diff.

Based on feats:
We'll see once her fight with Skullion is done

 

[Ramen]

It's the way he fucked her up. Dimaria was acting like she was scarred for life lol, was utterly terrified of his power. Which means he should at least be a tier above her. And he only kept getting stronger.
FDKM has one shotted Jacob and a featless war god, what other feats does it have? Don't get me wrong, FDKM is clearly strong, I think it's between 2-2.5x boost to base. But I see no evidence that it's stronger than END.




^^

He's getting downplayed because people think Gray is weak.
Gray just had beat Invel, Zeref's right hand man (he's at least top 6 Spriggan) and had got a big powerboost from that fight.

END and Gray had been trading blows and spells all along, and Erza stopping their blows caused significant damage to her arms (the arm to Gray was crumbling and arm to END was fried). Clearly they're not weak,



We know that he was strong enough to get Acno interested to show up in Tartarus. But then again, Mashima completely fucked up that storyline by retconning everything to having Mard 'made up' the story about END.
So, I don't know.

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For all we know, she could've gone God mode in her timestop, and returned back once she was done

He got past he hax and messed her up in her base because he was END (Im pretty sure that was stated). It would be like Gildarts fighting Brandish without her END. He also used a FDK move on Zeref.

No one thinks Gray is weak, it's that the fight was so bad that it's almost like an anti-feat. Not one named spell happened. Then Erza casually stopped their attacks.....bruh.

He destroyed Invel

Acno shows up where there is chaos. There was chaos with FT and Tartaros. Acno laughed when Igneel said that he fears END.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

as for Dimaria being afraid, no one is afraid of Acnologia so much so that point is moot tbh.

But Zeref was.

 

[Demon Hunter]

But Zeref was.

sure but he casually went to talk to him

 

[grey matter]

as for Dimaria being afraid, no one is afraid of Acnologia so much so that point is moot tbh.

No Spriggan except Eileen, August, Serena and Jacob faced Acno tho.

Eileen wasn't terrified because she already had a plan; and Acno didn't one shot her because he didn't realize she was a DS.

August was absolutely terrified when Serena got one shot lmao. See his reaction. He knew he could've been Serena if Acno wanted to kill him. Same with Jacob.

she was hit twice.

once from the back and immediately after when Natsu thought Lucy dead.

it was stated in Q&A iirc.

Interesting. So she got 2 shot lmao

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Full powered END would definitely be strong considering it's Natsu like @Jean Grey. He would two or three above Acno and the only way to stop him is through Lucy's speech but it END was separate being then he is as much as fodder Zeref was.

 

[grey matter]

No one thinks Gray is weak, it's that the fight was so bad that it's almost like an anti-feat. Not one named spell happened. Then Erza casually stopped their attacks.....bruh.

Named spell isn't everything.

Acno hasn't used a single named spell.

August vs Gildarts had almost no named spells.

Erza clearly didn't casually stop it, considering that her arms got wrecked from that.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

sure but he casually went to talk to him

He went and promised him a Great Battle after getting FH but his entire plan was run back in time like a coward. A promise that couldn't be kept .

 

[Demon Hunter]

No Spriggan except Eileen, August, Serena and Jacob faced Acno tho.

Eileen wasn't terrified because she already had a plan; and Acno didn't one shot her because he didn't realize she was a DS.

August was absolutely terrified when Serena got one shot lmao. See his reaction. He knew he could've been Serena if Acno wanted to kill him. Same with Jacob.

sure but August didn't retire from fighting

Dimaria was terrified because someone can move inside Time Stop without having being connected to Time based magic like Ultear.