Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file
 
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"On par" doesn't mean better, it means at the level, and i mean that since Kashin Koji introduction, the manga has been on the level of some of the arcs of the original manga.
We know what on par means. Boruto is nit at the same level as Naruto
 

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Finally caught up with the mew thread. Not in time for Christmas, but in time for New Year's Eve :D
Kimetsu no Yaiba at 30 million in print.

I was just watching EasyLove's last Jump circulation video the other day and Kimetsu no Yaiba and according to the video, Yaiba had 2 million in print by the time of volume 9. It's still hard for me to grasp its growth
 

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I mean, if we assume Jump will launch just 11 new series (as is the standard it seems), then we could be looking at a situation where literally none of the series which debut this year get canceled until 2021. Even if we assume no, then we're still looking at a scenario where maybe just Zipman and Agravity get the axe towards the end of the year.

This could very well pile up on Jump depending on circumstances, because being left with pounds of dead weight is hardly optimal.
I can't imagine Zipman doing worse than every single one of the new series. A lot of young people seem to like it and it's doing quite well on M+.

Agravity Boys is a toss-up though.

But really, I hope they will start more than 11 series if half the magazine is ending...
 

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Foreign reception has no relevance at all to whether something in WSJ succeeds, there have been very successful series that struggled to gather a following overseas until they got an anime (even Jujutsu's got a pretty low fanbase currently, especially for a battle shounen), and total flops that had a relatively decent western fanbase (Red Sprite, Stealth Symphony).

At least not yet anyway, maybe in the future if Manga+ gets very big we'll start seeing series survive on overseas popularity (probably not from WSJ but I can see Jump+ series maybe doing it).
 

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Kimetsu no Yaiba at 30 million in print.

Not like I want to deny everything but, what's the source for that and why's the image deleted now?

I think this is the picture. It comes from a... chinese online shopping website...? Let me doubt.
 
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Foreign reception has no relevance at all to whether something in WSJ succeeds, there have been very successful series that struggled to gather a following overseas until they got an anime (even Jujutsu's got a pretty low fanbase currently, especially for a battle shounen), and total flops that had a relatively decent western fanbase (Red Sprite, Stealth Symphony).

At least not yet anyway, maybe in the future if Manga+ gets very big we'll start seeing series survive on overseas popularity (probably not from WSJ but I can see Jump+ series maybe doing it).
That's probably gonna change. I think shueisha wanna put more attention to online readers and overseas fans. That's why they made M+ and the SJ app in the first place
 

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Foreign reception has no relevance at all to whether something in WSJ succeeds, there have been very successful series that struggled to gather a following overseas until they got an anime (even Jujutsu's got a pretty low fanbase currently, especially for a battle shounen), and total flops that had a relatively decent western fanbase (Red Sprite, Stealth Symphony).

At least not yet anyway, maybe in the future if Manga+ gets very big we'll start seeing series survive on overseas popularity (probably not from WSJ but I can see Jump+ series maybe doing it).
Those are exceptions though. In general, if series A is doing 10 times better than series B in Japan, there's a good chance that it will be doing better in the West as well, and vice versa. There's no guarantee, but it is a lot more likely than the opposite.
 

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We know what on par means. Boruto is nit at the same level as Naruto
Go ahead and elaborate why it's not. The writing since Koji's introduction has been very good. Something that was lacking in the war arc of Naruto. Even the art has improved immensely.
 

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They're not exceptions, stuff that gathers a good following right away in the west has no relation to what gathers an immediate following in Japan.

Just from the past couple years Chainsawman is the only series to have been quickly popular on both sides, otherwise Jujutsu Kaisen didn't gather much readers early on and still doesn't have a big fanbase and Act-age is the same way. Last Saiyuuki and Noah's Notes were probably a bit more popular than them until people realised they were getting cancelled. The only similarity is most stuff being flops.

Most hits in Japan get popular in the west eventually (since people read what's popular and not getting cancelled), but series that gather fans in the important first 20 chapters in Japan is usually different to what gathers fans quickly in the west.
 

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Not like I want to deny everything but, what's the source for that and why's the image deleted now?

I think this is the picture. It comes from a... chinese online shopping website...? Let me doubt.
It comes from official Weibo page of Chinese book publisher.
 

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The best series question got me curious about how many (non-cancelled) series started and ended in the 2010s (yes the decades start at 00, 10, 20, don't be an idiot), they are

full series

Nisekoi
Saiki Kusuo
Ass Class
Food Wars
Isobe Isobee
Hinomaru Zumou

mini-series

Jaco The Galactic Patrolman
The Comiq

prequels and sequels

that Naruto Scarlet Spring mini-sequel
Dr Stone Reboot (technically the final chapter is in a 2020 issue but that issue actually released in 2019)

A poll of all the new series would kinda silly but I think it'd be interesting to see a poll of what's everyone's favourite from the 6 full completed series of the 10s, maybe throw in Jaco and Comiq too.
You forgot Koganeiro.
 

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Thats the thing, its Chinese. I dont know up to what point can they actually get numbers before Japanese publishers or media reveals them.
They usually post the numbers first than the Japanese publishers. It has happened before several times not only for kny, also for other series. If anything it will be confirmed when the new batch of reprints arrive to stores this week.
 

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if it is just a mistake...

it would either mean, single point of failure and/or chain of incompetence

which is... well... :derp
.....understandable
Nak is busy trying to lunch his Youtube career doing unfunny sketches
no time to watch over the magazine quality

You forgot Koganeiro.
and Moromono no Jijou & Sore Ike! Yuugou-kun miniseries too
 
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They're not exceptions, stuff that gathers a good following right away in the west has no relation to what gathers an immediate following in Japan.
No relation, really? I have trouble believing that. But we will see, won't we?

According to M+:

Tokyo Shinobi Squad >> Double Taisei > Beast Children
Yozakura >>> Mitama
Zipman >> Agravity Boys

In the first case, the volume 1 sales in Japan matched the picture perfectly (TSS >> DT > BC). Now we wait for the rest to see if that was a fluke or not.
 

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The sales for those 3 series were all pretty similar, it's literally 3 flops that weren't popular in either Japanese or with western fans. Look further back than 1 single batch of all failures and you'll see, early western popularity doesn't correlate that much with Japanese popularity.


Again, Jujutsu and Act-age weren't really any more popular than other flops overseas yet they're two of the 3 big hits from the past couple years.
 

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I mean, Manga+ was not a thing when they came out. How could they possibly get any sort of western following? Pretty much everything that's popular in the west was previously popular in Japan, which is why someone bothered to translate them in the first place.
 

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People have been doing fanscans of new WSJ series before even viz's online service, some groups start translating whatever they think looks interesting and sometimes those are successes, sometimes they're flops.

One thing that happens sometimes is a group will start doing a new series, getting excited and the manga getting some english popularity, but then they drop it or make it very low priority upon realising it'll get cancelled. If you look back at new series before Viz started their Jump Start service, you'll see that most batches have at least one series with full english scans (sometimes started as it released, sometimes people went back to translate it after it ended). You can't really base popularity on what gets translated (especially) since all a series needs is for one person to be a fan and want to practice their Japanese skills.

Back around the time I started reading manga Lock-on! of all things was getting translated and I doubt many people even remember that (I remember when it suddenly ended I was a bit confused since I knew nothing about the manga industry and had never read a cancelled series before).

Even going back to hit series popularity doesn't necessarily mean translations, Otokojuku has full english scans and barely anyone's even heard of that in the west outside of J-stars. Meanwhile everyone knows Bobobobobobobo, the anime was even localised, yet it's only now about to have a complete english scan done.
 

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Nice, I checked Kimetsu twitter and it have almost million followers. I don't be surprised if hit milion before movie.

How much money at box office do you think Kimetsu earn, I think more or less 2 Billion Yen.

For comparison this is data about other anime movies box office.

Edit:
Crunchyroll Reveals Most Watched Anime of the Decade by Region.

Overall Many WSJ series: Dragon Ball Super, Naruto, Boruto, Black Clover, JoJo, One Piece, MHA, HxH.
 
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