Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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Just goes to show, I've seen people posting that EU commission study of piracy being beneficial to movies and games, but we've got definitive proof here of it actively harming this industry. Early leaks were absolutely hurting the Manga+ audience.
There are still early leaks around, I believe its gonna decrease over time as people go back to reading early.
 

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There are still early leaks around, I believe its gonna decrease over time as people go back to reading early.
Pretty much. Edited Mangas, regardless of quality, will still come out so long as Shueisha insists on focusing on sticking to the old ways. Shipping out early issues to certain areas, which is vulnerable to leaks and leading to Edited Mangas popping up.
 

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"On par" doesn't mean better, it means at the level, and i mean that since Kashin Koji introduction, the manga has been on the level of some of the arcs of the original manga.
Idk man,, it's like comparing Dbz with Dbs.
 

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Guys, can we stop comparing the quality of series that aren't even running in WSJ anymore, please.
 

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Some bestseller of the decade for Jump were spokon: Kuroko and Haikyuu, and even outside Jump all of the four main magazines had spokon with anime adaptations: Diamond no Ace for Magazine, Yowamushi Pedal for Champion, Major 2nd and a soccer manga whose name I can't remember for Sunday..

Sure none of them are Slam Dunk sellers, but then again.. What is?

Also, and changing topics... While looking for sport manga for Shonen Sunday I noticed that Norihiro Yagi is now serializing on Sunday.. Why not justtry to get serialized on Weekly Jump if he wanted to do a weekly serial, I mean he had had 2 hits with Angel Densetsu and Claymore... Though maybe Jump doesn't really allow 'veterans' or authors that previously published in their seinen magazines?
 

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Some bestseller of the decade for Jump were spokon: Kuroko and Haikyuu, and even outside Jump all of the four main magazines had spokon with anime adaptations: Diamond no Ace for Magazine, Yowamushi Pedal for Champion, Major 2nd and a soccer manga whose name I can't remember for Sunday..

Sure none of them are Slam Dunk sellers, but then again.. What is?

Also, and changing topics... While looking for sport manga for Shonen Sunday I noticed that Norihiro Yagi is now serializing on Sunday.. Why not justtry to get serialized on Weekly Jump if he wanted to do a weekly serial, I mean he had had 2 hits with Angel Densetsu and Claymore... Though maybe Jump doesn't really allow 'veterans' or authors that previously published in their seinen magazines?
Claymore was a shonen manga.

Anyway, the simplest explanation why is that Yagi perceived a better deal from Shogakukan, or that Sunday's magazine politics fit him better. Nothing more complicated then that.
 

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@Rain Spectre yes, that's a good way to put it, one would think that Sunday gives authors more money per page or something (For example, I think that's perhaps how they got Hiromu Arakawa after FMA) or maybe already successful authors just want to publish their manga without the hustle of possible cancellation -like it's so often the case in JUMP- and just prefer to go to Sunday which is way more lax, like a series that sells what 20,000 per volume gets to survive in Sunday, right? (If someone is more familiar with Sunday's numbers please corroborate this).
 

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whenever someone finds out yagi is in sunday with ariadne, i like to point out the oneshot was in jump :3c

 

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@MangAniMY case closed I guess.. Jump just didn't want to run its serializatin.. Maybe?

Thanks for pointing that out btw :D
 

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Some bestseller of the decade for Jump were spokon: Kuroko and Haikyuu, and even outside Jump all of the four main magazines had spokon with anime adaptations: Diamond no Ace for Magazine, Yowamushi Pedal for Champion, Major 2nd and a soccer manga whose name I can't remember for Sunday..

Sure none of them are Slam Dunk sellers, but then again.. What is?

Also, and changing topics... While looking for sport manga for Shonen Sunday I noticed that Norihiro Yagi is now serializing on Sunday.. Why not justtry to get serialized on Weekly Jump if he wanted to do a weekly serial, I mean he had had 2 hits with Angel Densetsu and Claymore... Though maybe Jump doesn't really allow 'veterans' or authors that previously published in their seinen magazines?
Jump? By Jump here with seinen magazines you mean Shueisha, right?
 

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@Nemesis What I meant was "Maybe Weekly Jump doesn't really allow veteran authors that previously published in their (Shueisha's, o even other seinen magazines) seinen magazines.
"Maybe Weekly Jump doesn't really allow veteran authors that previously published in other magazines. But they allow popular authors that have been published in WSJ before, but not popular "outsiders"."

Basically Jump mostly publishes rookie authors, and or authors that had had a hit in Jump previously, in contrast to the example I gave of Sunday having pretty successful authors like Minoru Arakawa post-FMA, or the Claymore mangaka... or now that I think of it Magazine also having the mangaka that made Soul Eater or for example Magazine also publishing Oh Great's Air Gear. Also, Masami Kurumada being published in Champion's main magazine (I think Saint Seiya Next Dimension runs in Weekly Shonen Champion, right?)

So basically ALL the other main weekly shonen magazines have published authors that have been popular before, but I couldn't find a single author that was published (debuted) in Weekly Shonen Jump that had had already been successful or known.

Like, don't you think it's a bit strange that Oh Great which was already published in a Jump magazine made a weekly serialization with another publisher? It's almost as if there's a policy of Weekly Shonen Jump not allowing authors that have already published seinen or are already recognized...
The one exception I can think of are "artists" (As in artists that get paired with an author that creates the story), for example, the artist for Dr.Stone, but other than that, do you remember ..

After finishing this post another author came to mind, Mizuki Kawashita mangaka of Ichigo 100%, she started as a Shojo artist but was told by Shueisha her art would appeal more to boys so she did Ichigo 100% in WSJ.
 
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@Nemesis What I meant was "Maybe Weekly Jump doesn't really allow veteran authors that previously published in their (Shueisha's, o even other seinen magazines) seinen magazines.

Basically Jump mostly publishes rookie authors, and or authors that had had a hit in Jump previously, in contrast to the example I gave of Sunday having pretty successful authors like Minoru Arakawa post-FMA, or the Claymore mangaka... or now that I think of it Magazine also having the mangaka that made Soul Eater or for example Magazine also publishing Oh Great's Air Gear. Also, Masami Kurumada being published in Champion's main magazine (I think Saint Seiya Next Dimension runs in Weekly Shonen Champion, right?)

So basically ALL the other main weekly shonen magazines have published authors that have been popular before, but I couldn't find a single author that was published (debuted) in Weekly Shonen Jump that had had already been successful or known.

Like, don't you think it's a bit strange that Oh Great which was already published in a Jump magazine made a weekly serialization with another publisher? It's almost as if there's a policy of Weekly Shonen Jump not allowing authors that have already published seinen or are already recognized...
The one exception I can think of are "artists" (As in artists that get paired with an author that creates the story), for example, the artist for Dr.Stone, but other than that, do you remember ..

After finishing this post another author came to mind, Mizuki Kawashita mangaka of Ichigo 100%, she started as a Shojo artist but was told by Shueisha her art would appeal more to boys so she did Ichigo 100% in WSJ.
It's just a coincidence. If Yui Kamio wasn't a huge flop Jump would had another veteran author running in the magazine like other you mentioned.
 

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It's just a coincidence. If Yui Kamio wasn't a huge flop Jump would had another veteran author running in the magazine like other you mentioned.
I don't think you understood what I meant (Or maybe I didn't explain myself correctly) because Yui Kamio was made by Hiroshi Shiibashi an already popular author with a hit that ran in WSJ (Nura: Rise of Yokai), so ... Yeah

Edit: After re-reading my last post I think I can see where I didn't explain myself correctly, so I'm gonna fix it here:

"Maybe Weekly Jump doesn't really allow veteran authors that previously published in other magazines. But they allow popular authors that have been published in WSJ before, but not popular "outsiders"."
 

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@lgrmjauffre I now changed my quote to be any magazine in general, after looking thru all of the series in WSJ Wikipedia article none of it struck me as having been published by an 'experienced' author, almost as if (As I had said) Jump prides itself or has a rule that only allows rookies/newcomer authors..

I have very foggy memories of reading something like that, maybe an interview that stated something along the lines of "WSJ having only newcomers" or something like that.

Again, I have provided some examples that every other of the 4 weekly shonen magazines have had already popular authors serialize in their magazines except for JUMP.

An interesting fact, the mangaka of Nanatsu no Taizai (Nakaba Suzuki) has published in 3 of the 4 weekly shonen magazines, the one he hasn't been published in is WS Champion, Kongo Bancho seems like a manga that would have fit in Champion lol (I haven't read it, just looking at it it seems like a Champion manga lol) hopefully he publishes something popular in Champion.

Being published in all four (previously five.. actually six) Weekly Shonen Magazines is a feat only achieved by mangaka of old times like Go Nagai, George Akiyama .. Maybe Tezuka? So yeah it would be nice for a mangaka of current times to achieve that too.

Also, while doing some research I just found out that George Akiyama was published by WSJ after being published in WS Magazine, so this full theory of mine begins to crumble... Meh! But nope, still, it's not like George Akiyama was super popular or anything, so my theory still stands! (And besides, this was the WSJ of the 60s -Though.. The last time Akiyama was published in WSJ was in '84), but still, it's fair to say things have changed from the 60s and WSJ doesn't allow "outsider" popular authors nowadays..
 

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Jump has a general policy of deprioritizing the works of veteran creators in favor of anything which adds to their progression overall. They even outright said that the reason why they didn't have Naruto on the cover of the issue with its final chapter was because they didn't want to dwell on the past, showing how even a legend like Kishimoto wasn't seen as anything other than another very popular creator.

Contrast that with Magazine and Sunday. Magazine seems to basically give free reign to the creators and has become a house for anyone to do whatever, hence they have creators from other publications (Takei, Ohtaka, Ohkubo, Raiku) running around creating new works even though only Ohkubo has created anything resembling a solid success, and often let series run for over a decade for little reason (by contrast, just six Jump series have hit nine years of continuous publication). Sunday meanwhile has a very "sleepy little town" vibe to most of its series, and it shows in all its let its famous creators just continue in spite of it, hence we have more than half the magazine consisting of creators from the 80s through 2000s, whereas Jump is majority creators of the last ten years.

Incidentally, Champion seems to sit closer to Jump in that regard. While Keisuke Itagaki is basically given free reign to continue Baki endlessly, Wataru Watanabe had basically nothing notable, Eiji Masuda just had a couple of short series, Kentaro Sato had not much of anything, Paru Itagaki just had her parentage and some one-shots, Osamu Nishi just a single a single canceled series, and Miki Bukimi had some Touhou yuri doujin to her name. None of them were creators Champion actively staked their favors in despite the success they brought them.
 
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