Bawss Jesse's Immaculate Conception Theory: Baam = Enryu

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Hey guys, Bawss Jesse here with a theory that my colleagues and I have been developing for the past six months: Baam is, in fact, his own son.

First, we need to acknowledge a couple of key assumptions. The first, supported by SIU's acknowledgement of Fullmetal Alchemist as a major influence of Tower of God, is that All is One and One is All. That means that Baam is Baam.

Second, we need to acknowledge the ability of time travel, which has shown to be possible through the transfer of data which allowed Baam and friends to encounter the past forms of Zahard and his cronies in the form of data. We'll come back to this.

Third, we must remember that Shinsoo is capable of cosmetic enhancement, and reversing the aging process is only one way of demonstrating this. The year is 2019, and in these modern times, Shinsoo is more than capable of altering sex or gender.

Now, onto the real meat. Tower of God has always been filled with religious references to Christianity, and many astute readers have noticed Baam's parallels to Jesus. And for the even more astute, they would notice that there are three main characters: Baam, Rak, and Khun. A "holy trinity" of sorts. There's also the princess trinity of Yuri, Garam, and Maschenny. But what if the first is a red herring? You see, the thing about the holy trinity is that all are, ultimately, different parts of the same entity. Rak and Khun are simply companions, but Baam, as Jesus, is just a bigger part of a whole. In fact, Baam is just a part of Baam. And Baam.

Baam is his own holy trinity.

The classic holy trinity consists of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. My own father is very religious, so I know this well. Of course, as a man who lived in a cave before entering the tower (as Jesus had lived in a cave for a little bit after his resurrection), Baam is the son. But then, what of the father? And the holy spirit? Well that's obvious. They're Baam and Baam.

The father is where the time travel comes into play. A very wise user before me once theorized that Baam is, in fact, Enryu. That user was truly his own Jesus. We hated him because he was right... but the other way around. Baam isn't Enryu. Enryu is Baam. Truly, he was the Baam before Baam. The same way the Hidden Floor preserves the data of those that came before, so too does the tower preserve its own data in the form of Shinsoo. Baam climbed in the past long, long ago, before even Zahard. He was the first to fully ascend the tower, collecting all of the thorn pieces, and at its top, became an Axis as many of us predicted. As an Axis, Baam gained control over a set amount of space with complete control of the reality inside. Being inside the space himself, he first dyed his hair red for style. Second, he changed his name to commemorate his ascension. Third, he waited. For thousands of years. Because there is one thing absolute control of reality can't give you. And that's true love.

Enter Zahard and the Eleven Great Warriors. It was at their entrance that Enryu saw their companionship and camaraderie. And he was instantly reminded of his own climb up the tower. He longed for his own companions, who had died long ago. And he sought to give himself the experience once again. Using his axis powers once more, he did the only thing that he could: Create an avatar of himself to experience the journey of an irregular all over again. And that avatar's name?

Arlene Grace.

As Arlene climbs up the tower, the axis Baam reminisces and experiences true happiness through his connection to the other irregulars. And as he lives vicariously through her, he learns to love his creation. He falls in love with Arlene, but knows an Axis loving a mere human is akin to Urek Mazino loving Sunwoo Nare. So he continues to watch as she bonds with two potential candidates for true love: Zahard and V. Ultimately, his avatar chooses V, but this presents a problem: V is impotent. Using his greatest, most notable power for the final time, Enryu creates life. An immaculate conception akin to the biblical impregnation of Mary. Except instead of Mary, it's himself.

And this brings us full circle: Baam is born. The Baam we know and love acknowledge as the protagonist. The story of the Tower goes on as usual, but soon the tower falls into civil war and breaks the mind of Arlene by killing the baby Baam. One of his avatars broken and another physically dead, Enryu goes into a rampage and creates the floor of death. But he will have his revenge. Both his ultimate form, and his beloved Arlene. Leaving his ultimate power and exiting the Tower for good to witness his plan come to fruition, he leaves the thorn for his avatar to collect. And ages later, Baam awakens in his cave and climbs the tower for reasons he does not yet know.



It's a newer less MCU take on the Baam = Enryu theory
 

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Hey guys, Bawss Jesse here with a theory that my colleagues and I have been developing for the past six months: Baam is, in fact, his own son.

First, we need to acknowledge a couple of key assumptions. The first, supported by SIU's acknowledgement of Fullmetal Alchemist as a major influence of Tower of God, is that All is One and One is All. That means that Baam is Baam.

Second, we need to acknowledge the ability of time travel, which has shown to be possible through the transfer of data which allowed Baam and friends to encounter the past forms of Zahard and his cronies in the form of data. We'll come back to this.

Third, we must remember that Shinsoo is capable of cosmetic enhancement, and reversing the aging process is only one way of demonstrating this. The year is 2019, and in these modern times, Shinsoo is more than capable of altering sex or gender.

Now, onto the real meat. Tower of God has always been filled with religious references to Christianity, and many astute readers have noticed Baam's parallels to Jesus. And for the even more astute, they would notice that there are three main characters: Baam, Rak, and Khun. A "holy trinity" of sorts. There's also the princess trinity of Yuri, Garam, and Maschenny. But what if the first is a red herring? You see, the thing about the holy trinity is that all are, ultimately, different parts of the same entity. Rak and Khun are simply companions, but Baam, as Jesus, is just a bigger part of a whole. In fact, Baam is just a part of Baam. And Baam.

Baam is his own holy trinity.

The classic holy trinity consists of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. My own father is very religious, so I know this well. Of course, as a man who lived in a cave before entering the tower (as Jesus had lived in a cave for a little bit after his resurrection), Baam is the son. But then, what of the father? And the holy spirit? Well that's obvious. They're Baam and Baam.

The father is where the time travel comes into play. A very wise user before me once theorized that Baam is, in fact, Enryu. That user was truly his own Jesus. We hated him because he was right... but the other way around. Baam isn't Enryu. Enryu is Baam. Truly, he was the Baam before Baam. The same way the Hidden Floor preserves the data of those that came before, so too does the tower preserve its own data in the form of Shinsoo. Baam climbed in the past long, long ago, before even Zahard. He was the first to fully ascend the tower, collecting all of the thorn pieces, and at its top, became an Axis as many of us predicted. As an Axis, Baam gained control over a set amount of space with complete control of the reality inside. Being inside the space himself, he first dyed his hair red for style. Second, he changed his name to commemorate his ascension. Third, he waited. For thousands of years. Because there is one thing absolute control of reality can't give you. And that's true love.

Enter Zahard and the Eleven Great Warriors. It was at their entrance that Enryu saw their companionship and camaraderie. And he was instantly reminded of his own climb up the tower. He longed for his own companions, who had died long ago. And he sought to give himself the experience once again. Using his axis powers once more, he did the only thing that he could: Create an avatar of himself to experience the journey of an irregular all over again. And that avatar's name?

Arlene Grace.

As Arlene climbs up the tower, the axis Baam reminisces and experiences true happiness through his connection to the other irregulars. And as he lives vicariously through her, he learns to love his creation. He falls in love with Arlene, but knows an Axis loving a mere human is akin to Urek Mazino loving Sunwoo Nare. So he continues to watch as she bonds with two potential candidates for true love: Zahard and V. Ultimately, his avatar chooses V, but this presents a problem: V is impotent. Using his greatest, most notable power for the final time, Enryu creates life. An immaculate conception akin to the biblical impregnation of Mary. Except instead of Mary, it's himself.

And this brings us full circle: Baam is born. The Baam we know and love acknowledge as the protagonist. The story of the Tower goes on as usual, but soon the tower falls into civil war and breaks the mind of Arlene by killing the baby Baam. One of his avatars broken and another physically dead, Enryu goes into a rampage and creates the floor of death. But he will have his revenge. Both his ultimate form, and his beloved Arlene. Leaving his ultimate power and exiting the Tower for good to witness his plan come to fruition, he leaves the thorn for his avatar to collect. And ages later, Baam awakens in his cave and climbs the tower for reasons he does not yet know.



It's a newer less MCU take on the Baam = Enryu theory
The big problem with your theory is that it assumes that Tog "only or mainly" has Christianity as a source of inspiration, which can by no way be remotely true. Rather, the ideas are from so many domains of philosophy.

The only real trinity in Tog, so far, is with what pertains to Zahard himself : 3 orders, three-eyed mask, three-level weapon, 3 lords under his command...

If all is one and Baam= Enryu, then Baam and friends also= Zahard the family heads, who are re-climbing the Tower to fix their own past mistakes !?!
 

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I mean that and this theory assumes sooooo much. It would be better if it were one or two things pulled out of thin air, but damn.

That, and BJ is kind of an a-hole so there's that - I poo on his theory.
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Baam + Rak + AA = 'holy trinity'? lol, talk about stretching dogma to fit your narrative.

'Everything that's three in number is a reference to the HT! Even the singular Baam...'




Nah.
 

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I mean that and this theory assumes sooooo much. It would be better if it were one or two things pulled out of thin air, but damn.

That, and BJ is kind of an a-hole so there's that - I poo on his theory.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Baam + Rak + AA = 'holy trinity'? lol, talk about stretching dogma to fit your narrative.

'Everything that's three in number is a reference to the HT! Even the singular Baam...'




Nah.
bj is the nicest of the three lol
 

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You may need to re-cook your theory, with more consistent assumptions, and without ideas such as time travelling and Full Metal Alchemist as "MAJOR SOURCE" of inspiration.

You could assume Baam's lack of killing intent will land him into an intense dilemma as to how to deal with Zahard and co, when they finally meet.

You could also speculate on how the Baam-Enryu/ phanta meeting will look like !?!
 

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I once entertained the theory that Baam was his own dad too, only with V rather than Enryu. Since tower of god seems like the type of story to pull off the "everything you know is a lie" kinda storyline.

It started with with the events surrounding V's death. Specifically the fact that he told Arlene to return to Jahad and their comrades, AFTER killing their baby. I think it's universally agreed that this makes no sense. So I wondered if the order was off.

We know Arlene went insane after witnessing her baby's murder and husband's suicide, so I think it's conceivable that Arlene confused the timeline when writing in her journal.

What if this is the actual order of events:
1: V tells Arlene to return to her comrades then kills himself.
2: Jahad kills baby Baam.
3: Arlene goes cray-cray
I think it makes more sense if V told Arlene to go back BEFORE Jahad turned baby murderer.

The next lie would be that V has no immortality contract. What if instead he had an alternate contract, (like Bloodmadder) immortality via reincarnation, more specifically, reincarnating into his offspring. Upon becoming king of the tower, Jahad learned about all contracts. So when he heard of V's suicide and Arlene's pregnancy, he knew what V was plotting and killed the baby before V had a chance to grow and become any kind of threat.

But if he was born in the tower how could he be a threat to Jahad? This would rely on the theory that being a GENETIC irregular (born to two irregulars) is more important than the act of opening the door oneself. He would be born in the tower, but not OF the tower, or rather, not to a tower resident. And while his body wouldn't have opened the door, his soul would have, so perhaps that would be enough to retain irregular status.

It's rather messy, thus my reason for dropping it. I just thought if Jahad does turn out to be misunderstood good guy, V would likely beome the bad guy, and Jahad's baby murder would need an explanation.

TLDR: V killed himself first in order to reincarnate into Baam, Jahad figured it out and that's why he killed baby Baam.
 

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The theory seems needlessly complicated and tbh I don't buy it.

But I will stress one point: The data world we saw does not evidence time travel in any way, shape or context. The data world was just that, a data world. Time within it did move at a different rate than outside but that is not in itself time travel. It was still just a data world which existed within the hell train nd what was inside was merely copies of what was outside.

It's also a pretty big alteration of cannon that zahard and his group weren't the first to climb the tower...
 

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The theory seems needlessly complicated and tbh I don't buy it.

But I will stress one point: The data world we saw does not evidence time travel in any way, shape or context. The data world was just that, a data world. Time within it did move at a different rate than outside but that is not in itself time travel. It was still just a data world which existed within the hell train nd what was inside was merely copies of what was outside.

It's also a pretty big alteration of cannon that zahard and his group weren't the first to climb the tower...
A better hint at time manipulation is the thorns actually
 

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When did the thorn ever manipulate time ?!?
it bended space, when he escaped from Zahard. Not sure about the time part, but it's definitly a possibility.
 

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it bended space, when he escaped from Zahard. Not sure about the time part, but it's definitly a possibility.
That's exactly what I had in mind: the thorn is already known to affect space, but not time (as of yet).
 
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Space, time.... same thing really.
 

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Space, time.... same thing really.
Actually, space and time present some huge difference for the setting of a manga/manwha as to the fact that teleporting is one handy ability (Urek, Gustang, Admins...) but time travelling is a big deal that can destabilise the whole manwha setting and spoil the story if poorly handled!
 

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More of a comment about General Relativity than ToG, but I agree the time-travel paradox can really mix things up.
 
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