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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
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We Never Learn
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Undead Unluck
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Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Collab poster by Kishimoto
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Oh boy, new Samurai 8 volume, time for more discussion about the series' future... Won't pretend I'm not curious to see what the sales do ultimately end up being.
 

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Nakano is in no way indebted to promote Samurai 8 after it failed to meet expectations in spite of heavy advertising. Do you genuinely think more advertising was going to change things?
What, and no promotion is supposed to be better? It is still a series in the magazine and a product they are selling to customers. It's not like they should overprint it again like last time or give it the biggest spot in the volume release advertising flyer, but at least promote it at all in there. The series isn't actually dead yet, you know? Despite what many people appear to claim. They could still turn things around, but not if you give it the same treatment as the the final volumes of TSS & Beast Children.
 

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So, do we already have the raw of Kitsune Biyori no Konjirou available?
 

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Tsutaya just dropped their ranking too, it's pretty similar to Honto's. No S8 since it only goes up to #20. Now we wait for Shoseki.

#1 Haikyuu!! 41
#2 The Promised Neverland 17
#3 Spy x Family 3
#4 Jujutsu Kaisen 8
#5 Jujutsu Kaisen 9
#6 One Piece 95
#7 Black Clover 23
#8 Boruto 10
#10 We Never Learn 15
#11 Chainsaw Man
The gap between Haikyu!! 40 and TPN 16 was about 100k after one month, but it looks like Haikyu!! 41 is doing alot better than previous volumes considering its ahead of Neverland on Amazon, Rakuten, Honto, and Tsutaya
 

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What, and no promotion is supposed to be better? It is still a series in the magazine and a product they are selling to customers. It's not like they should overprint it again like last time or give it the biggest spot in the volume release advertising flyer, but at least promote it at all in there. The series isn't actually dead yet, you know? Despite what many people appear to claim. They could still turn things around, but not if you give it the same treatment as the the final volumes of TSS & Beast Children.
Maybe they don't really see the point to promote Samurai 8. After all, they have more information about the reception that we have.

If Samurai 8 could turn thing around, it won't depend on promotion.
 

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Shinuki, dude, Nakano is in no way indebted to promote Samurai 8 after it failed to meet expectations in spite of heavy advertising. Do you genuinely think more advertising was going to change things?
Despite your hate with this series you shouldn't be advocating for incompetence, there's a big difference between making some heavy advertising and just not putting the cover of a new volume in a simple advertise page with all the new volumes of the month, it's just a page, Nakano was already incompetent enough to not give a single color page for the release of the first 2 volumes, and now he's going a new level with not even advertising volume 3 at all, what he's expecting to achieve with that? nothing really positive since he should at least make sure that the manga is included in something so basic like these advertising pages.
 

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Despite your hate with this series you shouldn't be advocating for incompetence, there's a big difference between making some heavy advertising and just not putting the cover of a new volume in a simple advertise page with all the new volumes of the month, it's just a page, Nakano was already incompetent enough to not give a single color page for the release of the first 2 volumes, and now he's going a new level with not even advertising volume 3 at all, what he's expecting to achieve with that? nothing really positive since he should at least make sure that the manga is included in something so basic like these advertising pages.
The lack of advertising for S8 is the same reason why the final volumes for Taisei, Beast and Shinobi aren't being advertised, Nakano and the rest of the editorial and marketing teams simply sees no point in trying to promote a series which its been basically proven at this point has very little in the way of chances of recovering. This is simply just Jump cutting their losses.
 

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Does anyone have that circle graph that has the Kimetsu sales by year but 2019 is split before the anime and after it?


I'm guessing you are talking about this


Though it's split between 2019's first-half and its second-half, not pre/post anime.
 

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The lack of advertising for S8 is the same reason why the final volumes for Taisei, Beast and Shinobi aren't being advertised, Nakano and the rest of the editorial and marketing teams simply sees no point in trying to promote a series which its been basically proven at this point has very little in the way of chances of recovering. This is simply just Jump cutting their losses.
What you said doesn't make any sense and it just makes Nakano and the editorial look even more like a bunch of incompetents, i'm not talking about doing heavy promotions and etc, i'm talking simply about not including the new volume in a advertising page published in the magazine, there's no "cutting losses" about doing something so simple and basic like this, it should be the norm, not doing it just paints the magazine in a bad way in terms of basic promotion, specially when the manga is from someone so big like Kishimoto, even Sunday do a better job.
 

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The gap between Haikyu!! 40 and TPN 16 was about 100k after one month, but it looks like Haikyu!! 41 is doing alot better than previous volumes considering its ahead of Neverland on Amazon, Rakuten, Honto, and Tsutaya
If HQ 41 ends up selling more than TPN 17 that will be a pretty big drop.
 

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Probably hype for the start of season 4? i really doubt that Neverland will lose like 100k from one volume to another or Haikyuu rise 100k kkkk
 

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What you said doesn't make any sense and it just makes Nakano and the editorial look even more like a bunch of incompetents, i'm not talking about doing heavy promotions and etc, i'm talking simply about not including the new volume in a advertising page published in the magazine, there's no "cutting losses" about doing something so simple and basic like this, it should be the norm, not doing it just paints the magazine in a bad way in terms of basic promotion, specially when the manga is from someone so big like Kishimoto, even Sunday do a better job.
The advertising page is pretty full with the promotion of much better sellers than Samurai 8.

I guess they could free up space if they reduce the image of Jujutsu Kaisen (which has two volumes this time), but I understand why they wouldn't do this for Samurai 8.
 

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The advertising page is pretty full with the promotion of much better sellers than Samurai 8.

I guess they could free up space if they reduce the image of Jujutsu Kaisen (which has two volumes this time), but I understand why they wouldn't do this for Samurai 8.
These are 8 volumes, in the promotion page for the October releases they included 12 volumes, even Boruto that was already months on V Jump: http://www.imagebam.com/image/f1a3421329834240

They could perfectly find a place in the promotion of issue 4/5 too where Jujutsu Kaisen wasn't eating so much space.
 

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I agree with both sides tbh, so I can't take any. lol
 

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I feel like even if Samurai 8 Volume 3 ultimately doesn't sell above Volume 2, as long as it sells 5 digits in it's first week, it'll stick around, unless sales consistently decline with each new volume and a decent chunk of the 7 newer series running/going to run in the magazine outperform it. Haven't even read Samurai 8 yet, so I'm not a fanboy or anything, I just don't get much of this doom and gloom. Sure, Shueisha both over-promoted and overprinted the hell out of Volumes 1 and 2, and the manga wildly performed below most expectations and probably drove potential readers who just wanted their Kimetsu volumes. But I don't think I'm quite ready to say that the series is dead yet. If Jump was in a more stable position, then sure. But as of now... I honestly dunno what's gonna happen to it in the long run, but I'm sticking with it surviving, at least for the time being.
 

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We all know Samurai 8 isn't going anywhere. So there is no need for such arguments ammirite? 😎😤
 

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I feel like even if Samurai 8 Volume 3 ultimately doesn't sell above Volume 2, as long as it sells 5 digits in it's first week, it'll stick around, unless sales consistently decline with each new volume and a decent chunk of the 7 newer series running/going to run in the magazine outperform it. Haven't even read Samurai 8 yet, so I'm not a fanboy or anything, I just don't get much of this doom and gloom. Sure, Shueisha both over-promoted and overprinted the hell out of Volumes 1 and 2, and the manga wildly performed below most expectations and probably drove potential readers who just wanted their Kimetsu volumes. But I don't think I'm quite ready to say that the series is dead yet. If Jump was in a more stable position, then sure. But as of now... I honestly dunno what's gonna happen to it in the long run, but I'm sticking with it surviving, at least for the time being.
Samurai 8 will survive for a time.

However, if two or more of the new series become better sellers than Samurai 8, it will be pretty dangerous for Samurai 8.
 

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Samurai 8 will survive for a time.

However, if two or more of the new series become better sellers than Samurai 8, it will be pretty dangerous for Samurai 8.
Yeah, it's what I think as well. It'll keep on the magazine until it ends (kishimot said it was 10 volumes, isn't?) if there's still manga with worse sales than it.
 

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I think you guys are being a tad optimistic about S8's chances. While undoubtedly the series has been able to dodge a few elimination rounds due to circumstances, at this point it's stuck at the bottom of the TOC, with virtually no promotion and a clear sales decline. It seems pretty certain to me Jump's punishment of it is just a matter of time.

Yeah, it's what I think as well. It'll keep on the magazine until it ends (kishimot said it was 10 volumes, isn't?) if there's still manga with worse sales than it.
Kishimoto never specified 10 volumes. He was asked in an interview how long he'd think the series would run for, guessed 10, then admitted instantly afterwards that the estimate was bogus since he did the same for Naruto.

Not to mention, look at it this way. We're at the end of Vol 4 in the manga, and just three of the eight Samurai have been introduced, two of whom aren't even Samurai yet. Unless Kishimoto rushes things horribly, there's no way he could tell the entire story in just 50 or so chapters.
 
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Samurai 8 will obviously not get cancelled any time soon with all the free space and new series in the magazine. But it's clear that it doesn't have much potential to become a proper success either. I would expect a steady decline in sales with every new volume.
Overall it's a failure that only sticks around because of author name recognition and circumstances.
 
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