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Mirajane is not as nerfed as either one was. Mirajane wasn't injured to the extent that Erza during his fight against Ajeel. Don't know about Natsu he had enough magic to use demo fist Makarov.
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But aren't the guy who thinks hax can overcome with PL. Don't why you bothered bringing WRAITH here.
Mirajane is noted be nerfed which is the point. If it wasn't significant it wouldn't have been noted. Erza looked better than Mira does now yet the effects were more severe than first thought. That was after he went to Beta Heaven and learned a new power. He didn't seem like he was going to tip over like before after he came out of Beta Heaven.

Wraith didn't hax out Natsu tho. He beat him attack oriented move lol. The only things hax were soul posseion, soul rip (which he had to wait until Natsu was KOed), and his intang other than that he didn't use any other hax against Natsu lol.

The entire point is, when someone is noted to be nerfed then it is a big deal in a fight.
 

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Erza looked better than Mira does now yet the effects were more severe than first thought.
Erza was way more injured than Mira is. She could barely stand Mira is not injured to the extent that she can't fight. She was in her base form entire time which she means she can definitely use her higher forms and since it gives her stats, those little bruises shouldn't affect her much.

Wraith didn't hax out Natsu tho. He beat him attack oriented move lol. The only things hax werr when soul posseion, soul such (which he had to wait until Natsu was KOed, and his intang) other than that he didn't use any other hax against Natsu lol.
His ability to remove other people souls is indeed a hax move. Zeref uses attack-oriented moves in the form of his death magic which is considered hax move as well.
 

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She is not as injured as you think she is. It's not like she can't stand or she can't continue fighting. She can move perfectly fine. She was in her weakest form and if Gray mid diff her in her strongest form then she can indeed beat her. Anything else happen Mira should be stronger for now.
Gray says she is quite injured and he expected to take her like this while the girls called him coward and actually we see her panting and sweating. Just because she may be able to stand or fight doesn't mean that she is near full strength and it fails to change that Gray has said that this is what he was waiting for (so it is a handicap) and we see him in a way better condition than Mira.
 
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Just because she may be able to stand or fight doesn't mean that she is near full strength and it fails to change that Gray has said that this is what he was waiting for (so it is a handicap) and we see him in a way better condition than Mira.
This shouldn't really matter since MIira can easily overcome this with higher forms of her takeover souls since it gives her stats. She was using BSS whole time so she is not
 

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If Mira is quite injured and even if we see her low on power and facing him in her weaker forms, even if he wins it fails to prove that he's stronger and even if he'd beat her if they are both at full power. Gray's statements up to this point and Mirajane drawing with Skullion prove this.
 
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If Mira is quite injured and even if we see her low on power and facing him in her weaker forms, even if he wins it fails to prove that he's stronger
If he beats her in a higher form with no more than mid difficulty means he is stronger than her.
 

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This shouldn't really matter since MIira can easily overcome this with higher forms of her takeover souls since it gives her stats. She was using BSS whole time so she is not
Higher stats and she's still injured? Why would Gray say he was waiting for her to be quite injured if they all know she can just heal with a different form? Since when does she heal all damage when she changes forms? And that says nothing about her magic use. And he's in a near fresh state while she just came out of drawing with the guy who beat him. Gray needs to low diff her in order to even make Gray = Mirajane somewhat plausible right now.
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If he beats her in a higher form with no more than mid difficulty means he is stronger than her.
Nope. Because the man himself just said he was waiting for her to be badly injured to fight and we just saw her tie with a guy in her base, who low - mid diffed him. Overall she is stronger. That part is not debatable rn.
 
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Nope. Because the man himself just said he was waiting for her to be badly injured to fight and we just saw her tie with a guy in her base, who low - mid diffed him. Overall she is stronger. That part is not debatable rn.
Nope, she is not badly injured to the point where she can't move or continue fighting. If she can't fight with few bruises it just proves her endurance is pathetic nothing else. She can move her arm and legs just fine and her higher form gives her stats boost. She can easily fight with a few bruises.
 

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Erza was way more injured than Mira is. She could barely stand Mira is not injured to the extent that she can't fight. She was in her base form entire time which she means she can definitely use her higher forms and since it gives her stats, those little bruises shouldn't affect her much.



His ability to remove other people souls is indeed a hax move. Zeref uses attack-oriented moves in the form of his death magic which is considered hax move as well.
Erza could barely stand???
Lol she looks fine to me, but that nerf was still noted to let the readers know she is not performing at optimal levels. She was stated to be quite injured by Skullion therefore those bruises are heavy injuries. It was noted as a nerf therefore Mira would still be nerfed.

Natsu already shown soul resistance and Wraith had to KO him to do it. Which ones are considered hax? Only one is the insta death magic lol. All the other ones are attack oriented.

Like I said, nerfs are noted bcs they are significant within battles. Erza had her full MP when she faced Ikagura, Azuma, and Kyouka yet her not being at full health effected her so much she was getting beat by even Azuma and Ikagura who are only Tenrou Erza level opponents. So not being at full health is a big nerf in this manga as well.
 

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Erza could barely stand???
After her fight against Ajeel, She was injured way more than Mira is now and even with Wendy around her, she couldn't get Erza to best shape. That proves her injures are way worse. Mirajane has what few bruises

She was stated to be quite injured by Skullion therefore those bruises are heavy injuries. It was noted as a nerf therefore Mira would still be nerfed.
Skullion said no such thing. He retreated because he couldn't down her and he was less injured than she was. If she was injured as you she is then Skullion wouldn't have retreated.

Like I said, nerfs are noted bcs they are significant within battles. Erza had her full MP when she faced Ikagura, Azuma, and Kyouka yet her not being at full health effected her so much she was getting beat by even Azuma and Ikagura who are only Tenrou level Erza opponents. So not being at full health is a big nerf in this manga as well.
Erza having full MP means nothing because unlike Mirajane she doesn't get stat boost when she re-equips. It not like she can't move a leg or an arm. Her reaction speed might be slower. But Mira can easily make for it using her higher takeover souls. If Gray can beat her in the strongest soul in a mid diff fight he can beat her at full strength as well.
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Going out of his way to say his freezing would not work on her when it's a DeS spell and involved him actually hitting her with it before the freeze is a crucial detail. If it was as effective as people on here think, it would have been mentioned. And this is me referring to people believing that it gives him a HUGE advantage over her and guarantees him a win. And whether he agreed or not means nothing since at the end of it all he shared the same belief and believed that it would work on her as it did Skullion. Skullion was slashed with it then frozen. In order for him to actually agree that it wouldn't work on Mirajane he would have to remember what transpired with Skullion i.e. DeS magic. If it was just ice make magic I'd agree with you however the fact that it is DeS magic raises the question regarding how effective DeS magic is on her and if it's as it was believed to be.

Gray has been hyping Mira and even Skullion. He clearly thinks she's stronger and mentioned them both together. Even if he begrudgingly thinks so and wants to get stronger and would end up beating him, in the moment he has complained about having to deal with both of them and excluded Elfman and Madmole. Add in the fact that we have actually seen Gray lose to Skullion after trying his best DeS spells and we can deduce that Skullion is stronger. He wouldn't rank him with Mira after losing to him if he didn't at least think that the guy was stronger for now.

You see the issue is that you are making a false equivalence between Gray's current state and Mira's current state. They are both arguably not at full power but Mirajane is injured significantly and has just now finished fighting with someone who beat Gray for a significant amount of time. It's not that oh well Gray is not at full strength so if he beats her it proves he's close in power or greater than she is even when they are both at full power. That's clearly false. There is no comparison between Gray right now and Mirajane in terms of injuries and exhaustion. Gray even said she's quite injured and we actually see this. All this is dishonest and an attempt to somehow save Gray from apparently being held as weaker than her which right now he is definitely portrayed to be. So no, if Gray beats her, just as he hinted, it's because she's quite injured while he is close to full strength. It is also false to claim that she didn't use much magic and imply that she didn't weaken much or use much power in her fight. Reminder that this man beat Gray low-mid diff and smiled while doing it.

You are creating your own scenario that is not congruent with the manga. Gray and Mirajane are not equally injured nor have they expended the same amount of power. So one cannot do the math and say well Mirajane is at half strength and Gray is at half strength so if they fight now the result would be the same as if they were at full power/health. That's false.


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The bias I am referring to is in response to you mentioning people wanting feats for Mirajane and not Gray and ignoring hype for her and the logical reasons for her losses. And when I refer to past feats I am referring to the general notion online that feats matter but apparently Mira's new feats don't. And even if you don't subscribe to this I don't see how what has happened in 100 years quest so far still convinces you that Gray would beat Mira in a fight while both are at full power just because he has DeS.

Feats and hype place her above Gray right now and the only thread people have to hang on to in his favor is his DeS being very effective against her which he himself has brought into question by complaining about facing her, saying she'd resist his DeS just as Skullion did, saying he expected to fight her now, when she's quite injured.








So what I am saying is that it is too soon for anyone to say that Gray would beat Mirajane in a fair fight because of these recent developments and his very own statements.
Never mentioned using a DeS spell, if Gray or Cana specifically mentioned DeS magic i would be more inclined to believe it was a hint. As it stands, Cana being doubtful over Gray being able to freeze Mira because he couldn't freeze Skullion, just seems like Mashima saying they're comparable in power. No reference to the specific spell Gray used was made, and we know Gray was not suggesting using Zeroth Longsword because he wanted to get them all at once.

Gray has shown he was more than willing to take any of them on without the rest holding them back, so no, his hype doesn't mean he's weaker.

No false equivalence, and not dishonest in the slightest, don't pretend to know my motivations and keep your accusations to yourself. I mentioned a caveat in my last comment if you cared to read it, and its completely true. It comes down to whether the power Gray expends is greater than the strength Mirajane has remaining. If Mira is at half strength due to injuries and Gray only uses half strength to win, then he is winning regardless. It'll be up to the readers to give their opinion on how much strength Gray expended and how injured Mirajane was in that fight. Mashima might make it obvious and he might not, but I'm not going to be call any victory here an "empty victory"
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Oh and people want feats for Mira and not Gray because Gray has earned a certain level of benefit when in doubt due to his regular performance in the manga, while Mira on the other hand has accrued mostly doubt with hers. There’s no bias, Mira is well loved, most people have simply tempered their expectations with considerations of her past performance.
 

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After her fight against Ajeel, She was injured way more than Mira is now and even with Wendy around her, she couldn't get Erza to best shape. That proves her injures are way worse. Mirajane has what few bruises



Skullion said no such thing. He retreated because he couldn't down her and he was less injured than she was. If she was injured as you she is then Skullion wouldn't have retreated.



Erza having full MP means nothing because unlike Mirajane she doesn't get stat boost when she re-equips. It not like she can't move a leg or an arm. Her reaction speed might be slower. But Mira can easily make for it using her higher takeover souls. If Gray can beat her in the strongest soul in a mid diff fight he can beat her at full strength as well.
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I'm talking about when it was noted she was weakened after the fight with Ajeel. Wendy healed her after that fight for an entire night and Wendy has Grade A+ healing. She looked to fine when she was against Neinheart and had zero noticeable injuries lol. Yet she was noted to be weakened. Mira has statements that says she is heavily injured thus weakened. The look of the character has nothing to do with how injured they are. The statements of injury matter more.

I meant Gray. And Skullion was in the same condition as her lol.

Stats boosts aren't going to help when your health is still low. You also forget Erza already stats are already way higher than Mira's in her lower forms. So again what does a stat boost even mean? Her health will always be the same lol. It's not like she gets healed with each new takeover she goes into. Actually that doesn't as he will not be fighting a fully healthy Mira and I already showed how health effects characters. He needed to wait until she was injured to try and fight her which means he wasn't confident enough to fight her on equal terms.
 

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I'm talking about when it was noted she was weakened after the fight with Ajeel. Wendy healed her after that fight for an entire night and Wendy has Grade A+ healing. She looked to fine when she was against Neinheart and had zero noticeable injuries lol. Yet she was noted to be weakened. Mira has statements that says she is heavily injured thus weakened.
If she was weakened to the point you say she is then Skullion wouldn't retreat, he would have kept going. The only reason he left was that he knew he couldn't down her. This proves that she is not just injured to the point where she cannot continue fighting. If she can't continue with those injuries it just proves she pathetic endurance.
 

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If she was weakened to the point you say she is then Skullion wouldn't retreat, he would have kept going. The only reason he left was that he knew he couldn't down her. This proves that she is not just injured to the point where she cannot continue fighting. If she can't continue with those injuries it just proves she pathetic endurance.
Skullion was in the same shape as her which is why he called off the fight. Did Erza have pathetic endurance bcs she couldn't fight at 100% after an entire day of rest after her win against Ajeel???

Anywho, being injured to the point you can't fight is not the debate. She is injured to the point that it is noteworthy to tells us the readers. Everyone who has been noted to be weakened has performed at a a significantly weaker level than normally. I have showed this in two instances. There's also the time back in Tenrou where Mira was stated to be weakened a performed at significantly weaker caliber than she usually would. These nerfs are noted for a reason.
 

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Skullion was in the same shape as her which is why he called off the fight. Did Erza have pathetic endurance bcs she couldn't fight at 100% after an entire day of rest after her win against Ajeel???
She still kept fighting. Only lost conscious mainly because of Kyouka's magic but still destroying historias as well. She destroyed Irene Deus Sema. Proves her endurance >>> anything Mirajane as well. Skullion and Mira have few scratches other than that they are completely fine unless you believe Skullion attacks did damage from inside while leaving outside completely fine.
 

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She still kept fighting. Only lost conscious mainly because of Kyouka's magic but still destroying historias as well. She destroyed Irene Deus Sema. Proves her endurance >>> anything Mirajane as well. Skullion and Mira have few scratches other than that they are completely fine unless you believe Skullion attacks did damage from inside while leaving outside completely fine.
Except she didn't as she got beat and did a stare then passed out in front of the enemy lol. That has nothing to do with what happened when she was stated to be weakened. Statements > damage markers. Erza had zero damage markers yet when she was stated to be injured she performed a lot less than when she had all of her bones broken lmao.

Skullion and Mira were damage the same way which is why Skullion had the same sentiment as Mira. If Gray had to fight Skullion instead of Mira he'd say the same thing lmao. Like I said before, he wouldn't wait until she was injured to fight her if he thought he could handle her at her best. He waited until she was specifically injured to fight her and we know how much stated nerfs effects a mage.
 

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Except she didn't as she got beat and did a stare then passed out in front of the enemy lol.
She beat the Historia before passing out. You can't say it's a victory for the historias if your opponent just erased you.

Statements > damage markers.
Statements are irrelevant since statements have been proven wrong most of the time during FT.

Skullion and Mira were damage the same way which is why Skullion had the same sentiment as Mira. If Gray had to fight Skullion instead of Mira he'd say the same thing lmao. Like I said before, he wouldn't wait until she was injured to fight her
He wouldn't say the same thing to Skullion lol. He would trash talk him like not going to lose to him again.
 

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She beat the Historia before passing out. You can't say it's a victory for the historias if your opponent just erased you.



Statements are irrelevant since statements have been proven wrong most of the time during FT.



He wouldn't say the same thing to Skullion lol. He would trash talk him like not going to lose to him again.
Yet the caster was still there so her "win" wasn't a win and it was a tie at best as she passed out lright after they disappeared from her stare lol.

Not statements about nerfs. I have already back those up with facts that prove those statements are legitimate.

He would probably say a similar remark about Skull's injuries to the girls if he had to fight him instead of Mira. Why would he trash talk his enemies to the girls? They already know he got rekt by Skull in the first place as well lol.
 

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Yet the caster was still there so her "win" wasn't a win and it was a tie at best as she passed out lright after they disappeared from her stare lol.
Neinhart won yes but Erza did take out hir Historias. Historias never beat her.

Not statements about nerfs. I have already back those up with facts that prove those statements are legitimate.
You just brought up Erza's inability to perform during the fight against Neinhart. Erza was damaged way worse during her fight with Ajeel. If Wendy can't fix completely then it should have been serious. Mira is nowhere near injured where she can't continue fighting.

He would probably say a similar remark about Skull's injuries to the girls if he had to fight him instead of Mira. Why would he trash talk his enemies to the girls? They already know he got rekt by Skull in the first place as well lol.
He definitely wouldn't say such a thing. He was planning to freeze all the four together.
 

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Neinhart won yes but Erza did take out hir Historias. Historias never beat her.



You just brought up Erza's inability to perform during the fight against Neinhart. Erza was damaged way worse during her fight with Ajeel. If Wendy can't fix completely then it should have been serious. Mira is nowhere near injured where she can't continue fighting.



He definitely wouldn't say such a thing. He was planning to freeze all the four together.
The Historia's also took out her as she passed out therefore it was a double K.O. She didn't even beat them with actual power lol.

I brought up two other statements about nerfs as well. Wendy healed for an entire day and Erza didn't have damage markers on her so your entire point is moot. The statement held more weight than the injuries shown. She was looked to be fine but she wasn't which is why it was noted she was injured (thus weakened).

He got shut down and didn't fight back on that therefore he admitted to himself being wrong.
 
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