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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Collab poster by Kishimoto
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The 2 new characters introduced in the Yozakura chapter are great, specially the Taiyo rival, design cool af
 

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Read the Fujimaki one shot that got translated in Spanish and really enjoyed it.
 

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Seems yet more like Yozakura is trying to preform damage control. I'm still like 95% sure its a losing battle.

Also, what the everloving fuck was that Agravity chapter...
 

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Seems yet more like Yozakura is trying to preform damage control. I'm still like 95% sure its a losing battle.

Also, what the everloving fuck was that Agravity chapter...
It was about Schrödingers Boner, a subversion of the Schrödingers Cat. xD
 

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Whatever makes you happy. 250 chapters are still a huge chunk.
250/700. Saying half of the entire story is shit is a massive statement. If you know it isn't half then don't say it. Naruto only has isn't up to the standards of everything else and it's still not that bad
 

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Some may argue that the majority of Naruto is pretty bad (and too derivative of HxH), but it's not worth it arguing with those blinded by nostalgia.
 

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Seems yet more like Yozakura is trying to preform damage control. I'm still like 95% sure its a losing battle.

Also, what the everloving fuck was that Agravity chapter...
What do you mean? It was about sending fan letters to Nakamura sensei.
 

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Seems yet more like Yozakura is trying to preform damage control. I'm still like 95% sure its a losing battle.

Also, what the everloving fuck was that Agravity chapter...
So what do you want the author to do? if he keeps making comedy/SoL chapters you will say the author doesn't know what to do with the manga, if he start to focus on a serious story you say the author is trying to "perform damage control", you go even far as complaining because he introduced 2 new characters with this first serious chapter when this is the most basic thing you should expect in a new serious arc.

Seems like you just make up your mind about some mangas and is never able to enjoy anything from these series anymore, you decided to dislike Agravity Boys from even before the manga started and i have yet to read you saying anything positive about it, now Yozakura is your new target with everything that the author do being labeled as "damage control" or just bad lol
 

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I wonder when we’ll see editorial start meddling in S8. I mean, the biggest difference Story Telling wise that is different than with early Naruto is that Kishi is preaching more and his arcs are less meaty so to speak, more “to the point”. Now idk what is not connecting with the JP audience. I would assert the action of the series isn’t the issue. Thus it has to be Character’s, Plot or both that’s the issue.

Is Sci-fi really received poorly in Japan as it’s made out to be? I doubt it’s a Genre Thing that can be making the JP audience dodge the series and such.
 

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I wonder when we’ll see editorial start meddling in S8. I mean, the biggest difference Story Telling wise that is different than with early Naruto is that Kishi is preaching more and his arcs are less meaty so to speak, more “to the point”. Now idk what is not connecting with the JP audience. I would assert the action of the series isn’t the issue. Thus it has to be Character’s, Plot or both that’s the issue.

Is Sci-fi really received poorly in Japan as it’s made out to be? I doubt it’s a Genre Thing that can be making the JP audience dodge the series and such.
I personally think the series itself is no worse than some of Jump’s other successes.(or since I last read. I’m behind like 6 chapters)
However it had a very uneventful start, and didn’t live up to the hype that Jump set up for it.
While the series got better over time it wasn’t such a huge jump in quality to justify a large word of mouth of “hey the series is good now”.
Once a manga has a bad start it’s really difficult for it hop back from it. 1st impressions are important. Some series from new creators have shots at starting off small and growing, however ppl went into S8 with expectations.

Not saying this is 100% it. It’s just my take on it
 

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So what do you want the author to do? if he keeps making comedy/SoL chapters you will say the author doesn't know what to do with the manga, if he start to focus on a serious story you say the author is trying to "perform damage control", you go even far as complaining because he introduced 2 new characters with this first serious chapter when this is the most basic thing you should expect in a new serious arc.

Seems like you just make up your mind about some mangas and is never able to enjoy anything from these series anymore, you decided to dislike Agravity Boys from even before the manga started and i have yet to read you saying anything positive about it, now Yozakura is your new target with everything that the author do being labeled as "damage control" or just bad lol
My complaint about Yozakura remains the same, Gondaira simply has no clue where to take the series. Trying to introduce a badass new rival out of the blue for a serious arc simply doesn't work when the series already has over a dozen characters, the majority of which it has done nothing with. This sudden tonal shift feels less like a deliberate decision (like it was for Gintama and SKET) and just another case of trying recoup readers who're complaining about the manga being boring.

Also, my opinion on Agravity goes as follows, I don't even know what to think of it. Simple as that.

I wonder when we’ll see editorial start meddling in S8. I mean, the biggest difference Story Telling wise that is different than with early Naruto is that Kishi is preaching more and his arcs are less meaty so to speak, more “to the point”. Now idk what is not connecting with the JP audience. I would assert the action of the series isn’t the issue. Thus it has to be Character’s, Plot or both that’s the issue.

Is Sci-fi really received poorly in Japan as it’s made out to be? I doubt it’s a Genre Thing that can be making the JP audience dodge the series and such.
Yeah, the "Japan doesn't like Sci-Fi" comment is both nonsense, and not even what Kishimoto said. He said that Sci-fi has a tendency of failing in Jump because its "complexity" means its easy for readers to quickly lose interest and gravitate to other series.

Anyway, the primary issue of S8 for JP readers, as has been said in numerous reviews, is the sheer amount of exposition and intricate world-building making the story too difficult to connect with. Kishimoto's story and character-writing aren't strong enough to compensate, and the result is the series being not able to grab them. It's basically too much Kishi's own thing.
 

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I doubt it's that it's a sci-fi, Mashima in WSM followed up his big hit with a sci-fi manga, and it's been successful, not Fairy Tail levels obviously, but it does well for itself.
 

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I wonder when we’ll see editorial start meddling in S8. I mean, the biggest difference Story Telling wise that is different than with early Naruto is that Kishi is preaching more and his arcs are less meaty so to speak, more “to the point”. Now idk what is not connecting with the JP audience. I would assert the action of the series isn’t the issue. Thus it has to be Character’s, Plot or both that’s the issue.

Is Sci-fi really received poorly in Japan as it’s made out to be? I doubt it’s a Genre Thing that can be making the JP audience dodge the series and such.
Well something needs to be done eventually. The first volumes heavily underperformed compared to expectations and to the attention and push it got, it's constantly straight up at the bottom in the ToC and the third volume looks like it'll do even worse.
 

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My complaint about Yozakura remains the same, Gondaira simply has no clue where to take the series. Trying to introduce a badass new rival out of the blue for a serious arc simply doesn't work when the series already has over a dozen characters, the majority of which it has done nothing with. This sudden tonal shift feels less like a deliberate decision (like it was for Gintama and SKET) and just another case of trying recoup readers who're complaining about the manga being boring.

Also, my opinion on Agravity goes as follows, I don't even know what to think of it. Simple as that.
This "doesn't have a clue where to take the series" is just typical bs that people use when they don't like what is happening in a series, you don't have any idea of what he planned or not planned to do with the series from the start, you can just make a personal guess, which shouldn't be necessary because its just so obvious what this series is supposed to be kkkkk

Also, what "suddent tonal shift" you're talking about? the manga still the same thing, we already have a mini serious arc, the comedy elements still there, starting a more serious arc is something that was so obvious a blind guy could see it coming sooner or later, sometimes i honestly wonder if you pay attention to what a author is trying to say to you when reading something, it just feels like the opposite.

You had plenty of what to "think" about the series even before it started, but when the author didn't make any of the things you were screaming that he would do, now you act like that kkkk
 

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My complaint about Yozakura remains the same, Gondaira simply has no clue where to take the series. Trying to introduce a badass new rival out of the blue for a serious arc simply doesn't work when the series already has over a dozen characters, the majority of which it has done nothing with. This sudden tonal shift feels less like a deliberate decision (like it was for Gintama and SKET) and just another case of trying recoup readers who're complaining about the manga being boring.

Also, my opinion on Agravity goes as follows, I don't even know what to think of it. Simple as that.



Yeah, the "Japan doesn't like Sci-Fi" comment is both nonsense, and not even what Kishimoto said. He said that Sci-fi has a tendency of failing in Jump because its "complexity" means its easy for readers to quickly lose interest and gravitate to other series.

Anyway, the primary issue of S8 for JP readers, as has been said in numerous reviews, is the sheer amount of exposition and intricate world-building making the story too difficult to connect with. Kishimoto's story and character-writing aren't strong enough to compensate, and the result is the series being not able to grab them. It's basically too much Kishi's own thing.
Why can’t he? It’s his manga so he knew what he did and didn’t want to do with the series. Personally, I love the direction of Yozakura Family and think it could be a very good manga. My only complaint is that most of the family doesn’t do much but there time will just simply have to come later. You didn’t see big time manga like Naruto, Bleach, MHA, etc. try to flesh out every character this early on. They waited later in the story to finally give their characters the right development. As for Agravity Boys. I can’t really argue since it’s only had a few chapters but I will say it’s funny as hell so I’m excited to see where it goes.

I agree that S8 started with too much exposition but honestly I see it kind of like Dragon Ball where it doesn’t have the best writing but it’s just fun to read/watch. Honestly, S8 wasn’t even that bad imo.
 
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