Chapter Tower of God Chapter 464 Spoilers & Discussion

[TheMoa]

So the entire 5th squadron is needed to take down Cha. Cha who has been sleeping before Doom or Yama’s existence.
Wow and I thought Yama was actually strong, this is just sad. And please don’t give me the tired excuse.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 7, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 7, 2020 ---

I think there's more than one way tô interpret It. Kallavan didn't let his squadron fight Jinsung and stepped himself tô fight him cuz they wouldnt be able too. Yasratcha did the same with Yama, as soon as he snifed Yama he got in action and he has some innate advantage against him.
I think Yama would Very much preffer tô deal with the squadron than yasratcha himself. Im Not arguing that Yama is stronger than Cha and I dont believe he is... Only that the resto of the squadron showing up now can bê take both ways.

What I found interesting about Paul/Doom interaction is that Paul seems tô have no Idea about Doom's mind control Power with the fang.

 

[TheLastMartian]

While I never read Bleach too closely, I seem to recall Ichigo winning fights against a few of the Captains early on in the series.

The captains get stronger as the series progresses.

 

[Jedikos]

I think there's more than one way tô interpret It. Kallavan didn't let his squadron fight Jinsung and stepped himself tô fight him cuz they wouldnt be able too. Yasratcha did the same with Yama, as soon as he snifed Yama he got in action and he has some innate advantage against him.
I think Yama would Very much preffer tô deal with the squadron than yasratcha himself. Im Not arguing that Yama is stronger than Cha and I dont believe he is... Only that the resto of the squadron showing up now can bê take both ways.

What I found interesting about Paul/Doom interaction is that Paul seems tô have no Idea about Doom's mind control Power with the fang.

Yh great observation, Paul does seem to be unaware of houndborn control powers... could be two things tho, either he doesn't know at all that Doom can do it with his fang or he could be asking him the hell a Cat is also able to control the dogs.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

While I never read Bleach too closely, I seem to recall Ichigo winning fights against a few of the Captains early on in the series.

Yes, at First It was a fluke, and then It relied on unstable powers that could only be used for short periods. It was perfectly ok to keep It at that, but Bleach's mangaka ruined It all with untimely and unexplainable nerfs only to drag the story. It could have gone on for a while with same difficulty in beating opponents with other types of Power.

Anyways, I think there's no problem in being an OP protagonist If the motivation for winning is strong enough. Power struggles are good for defining merit: the ones that fight better deserve to Win, so Power similarity and effort requiring growth need to happen to justify that the best man won. However, in cases where merit and justification is heavily established, such as Kill Bill, one doesn't Care less whether the victory was or wasn't effortless. We Just wanna see the wrongdoers getting their skulls crushed at last. But that's not clear in ToG.

SIU likes to keep the story under wraps and slowly unveils It, in a way that we can't know for sure who is the true evil until the final showdown. This story has no room for an allmighty MC because that would be the tale of a Tyrant conquering weaklings, not a hero bringing karma to villains. We are not yet ready to throughly hate Jahad's guts no matter what. SIU carefully pulls us now and then the other direction as a matter of fact. So Bam needs to pay for everything he intends on taking, that's the way of the Hero.

 

[O_n_Sly]

While I never read Bleach too closely, I seem to recall Ichigo winning fights against a few of the Captains early on in the series.

If you enjoy mindless fillers and every character befriending the MC then I highly recommend Bleach

 

[EternalWinter]

I have to admit I have a lot trouble relating to the desire to see Baam be able to nuke a high ranker like Kallavan.

You do realize if he were to do that the consiquece would be every fight after that would need to be against people stronger than Kallavan to have any kind of dramatic tension to it. We're not even halfway up the Tower. If he were to do that he's probably have to bail on his entire supporting cast just because they will have been power-creeped into irrelevancy.

Just having him be able to put up a fight against rankers is already pushing things to the absolute limit. If SIU were to take things far beyond even that a lot of fundemental parts of the series would start to break.

There will def be consequences for baam blowing his power load. Maybe it'll be enough to really hurt or kill kallavan, but he wont be able to do it for long

I'm somewhat pissed that Doom, Karaka, YHS, and Paul are being relegated to deal with mere divcos, but what're you gonna do

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Well guys, it's been fun...

 

[O_n_Sly]

Did anybody notice that Sowo was the little girl that grabbed Dowon’s hand in the flashback?!, before she met ‘the boss’!

 

[Ancient Juan]

Does anyone think it’s significant that the NotZahard character that spoke with Cha and Dowon has fangs like the Lo Po Bia family?

 

[Jedikos]

Does anyone think it’s significant that the NotZahard character that spoke with Cha and Dowon has fangs like the Lo Po Bia family?

Zahard himself has the fangs, so does Wangnan, this guy having it just more than confirms that he is Jahad's 'something'.

 

[darkraoul]

Siu already said in blog post battle will merge to where yama, Evankhell and rest are.I have a feeling it will happen soon with awakening of Cha

 

[zamki]

I am starting to believe that Zahard split himself into three implying The three eyes .The current ruling one is one of them ,this NotZahard guy might be the all-seeing third eye in the trio.He might actually have the third eye in his forehead,lol.

Not going to try to justify it as there is zero evidence but it just gives me such feels.

 

[OneEye]

I am starting to believe that Zahard split himself into three implying The three eyes .The current ruling one is one of them ,this NotZahard guy might be the all-seeing third eye in the trio.He might actually have the third eye in his forehead,lol.

Not going to try to justify it as there is zero evidence but it just gives me such feels.

Wangan is actually a Prince of Zahard, not a clone.

 

[Demonspeed]

Wangan is actually a Prince of Zahard, not a clone.

I think most of us believe that the princes are clones.

 

[Vitala]

I'm somewhat pissed that Doom, Karaka, YHS, and Paul are being relegated to deal with mere divcos, but what're you gonna do

Mere division commander lol, what were you expecting ? That is their level and we even saw at the last station that YHS is below chunhee who is DC, i don't see someone like paul stronger than ari sharon who is DC, lol even doom is a deception,they are all below yuri who defeated chunhee.

 

[Pbgustang]

I've been working on a script to colour the translations based on who is talking while trying to preserve the colour for the same people as their names get abbreviated.

I think it will be better leave the conversation in black. Color the name only

Mere division commander lol, what were you expecting ? That is their level and we even saw at the last station that YHS is below chunhee who is DC, i don't see someone like paul stronger than ari sharon who is DC, lol even doom is a deception,they are all below yuri who defeated chunhee.

But i agree that it should be super bad day gor those divco...except the one facing YHS. Evie alone is more than enough to beat all those divco at once

Hansung got high ranker level acknowledgement only recently on floor of test whrn directing bam and co test. he decline the title of high ranker tho, but that also he is among lower tier of high ranker so thats why he need to go all out facing one.

Meanwhile karaka is a young slayer... almost on par with yuri (excluding the 13month and kranos) even his real body location is unknown. Doom ex#200tier, without fang can insta kill gado who should be at divco level...tho gado being canine make it too uncertain. And paul being an original dog and other reasons should be stronger than gado level.

Would yasratcha alone facing cha, yama, evie, khelhelm. Or cha going indiscriminate shots

But Well, siu is weird lately so i wouldnt be too much surprised even if doom or karaka defeated by divco. Ive been displeased with how helpless yama SSJ4 facing Yas

 

[Sanity Check]

..........

Just wanted to say: I like your rave master avatar.

Brings back memories of a good series and good times for me.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Something abt Power lvls that needs to be Said: a Jahad army Squadron > a Floor.

Yes, I was doubtful at First, but look at It: Squadron Commanders and Division Commanders are respective to Floor rulers and their sidekicks, but so far Squad Commanders have proven more dangerous than Floor rulers, using Evk and Khun Royal Elliot as references as well as Kallavan and Yasurach, while YHS has proven to have a hard time against Div Commander Cheonhee. Power wise a Jahad Squadron is above a Floor. And It makes sense, or else they wouldn't be able to control the Tower without Higher Than Floors Militia, given that there's 130+ floors to look after.

 

[Jammin]

Probably depends on the floor though. Like one whatever floor a family head is on that pretty much can't be true right?

 

[Jack Van Burace]

By lore and logics a Floor ruler has to be the strongest being of a Floor and should be able to take on everyone else of that Floor If they have a mutiny. Same for Squadron Commanders and their Squads. However, the Squadron should be stronger than a Floor ruler and all its underlings together, with the difference that one Works under a specific Admin, while the other Works for the King of the entire Tower.

A Slayer by reference should be leveled along with Floor Rulers, people able to be called Gods.

Probably depends on the floor though. Like one whatever floor a family head is on that pretty much can't be true right?

Yeah, I suppose first Squadron Comander is Adori also, so perhaps that solves things. According to rank she should at least be able to fight a FH, and same for Luslec who is a Slayer.

And also that both Floor Rulers, Slayers and Squadron Comanders have some Power spectrum that overlaps at some points. But that usually Squads should be above Floors, same for Slayers and their cults/gangs. These 3 powers should be close to each other, given the right amount of time. In example: I doubt 2F's entire Floor + Evk and YHS would be above Just the Cage. That's an older more settled gang than Karakka's, which also has a Lair at "forgot number" Floor and a decent population. And ofc, each of these should be way smaller than one Noble Family.