Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Rain Spectre]

 

[Ryuusei]

Jujutsu has hit 2.5 Mil!

It was already at 2,5 million at the end of November, they haven't updated the number yet.

 

[Rain Spectre]

It was already at 2,5 million at the end of November, they haven't updated the number yet.

Ah. Fixed, then.

Probs hit 3 million then already. Damn.

 

[TxxT]

Oricon Weekly Accumulated Sales - 12/30~01/05

#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba
#2 One Piece
#3 The Promised Neverland
#4 Haikyuu!!
#5 Jujutsu Kaisen
#6 My Hero Academia
#7 Spy x Family
#8 March Comes in Like a Lion
#9 Fire Force
#10 Black Butler

Looking forward to oricon numbers tomorrow, also when should we expect the next batch of reprints announced?

 

[Rain Spectre]

I wonder when leaks start dropping?

 

[RafGL]

I wonder when leaks start dropping?

16th or so.

 

[Krono]

Seriously, what's with the current enamorment with gag series Jump has? Yozakura, Mitama, Agravity and now this.

Well, judging by this old preview page:

WSJ has four broad categories. Battle, Sports, Gag, and Love Comedy. They might have one or two more categories that weren't advertised on that particular page, but you can pretty easily fit most WSJ series into one of the categories. Right now it's probably something like:

Battle:
One Piece
My Hero Academia
Black Clover
Kimetsu no Yaiba
The Promised Neverland
Dr. Stone
Jujutsu Kaisen
Chainsaw Man
Samurai 8: The Tale of Hachimaru
Zipman!!

Sport:
Haikyu!!
Act-Age

Gag:
Mission: Yozakura Family
Mitama Security: Spirit Busters
Agravity Boys

Love Comedy:
Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs
We Never Learn

So the category they're hurting the most in at the moment is Gag series. All three series in that category are new and have yet to prove themselves. I think the last real success they had in the gag slot was Saiki Kusuo no Psi-nan, and before these current three, I don't think they had anything in that slot since Jimoto ga Japan moved magazines, and David ended.

So they're currently throwing a bunch of gag focused series out to see what sticks. They don't need a massive success, just something that'll hold it's own and be around for a couple years.

 

[RafGL]

Haikyu!!'s S4 Official Account by Crunchyroll https://twitter.com/OfficialHaikyu

 

[yadayada]

I wonder if the drop in kimetsu backlog (which is still huge) is due to holidays, lack of stock or if it's starting to settle down somewhat.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 01/06

Weekly Shounen Jump

#1 The Promised Neverland 17
#2 Haikyuu!! 41
#4 One Piece 95
#5 Jujutsu Kaisen 8
#6 Jujutsu Kaisen 9
#7 Black Clover 23
#11 Chainsaw Man 5
#12 We Never Learn 15
#53 Samurai 8 3

Jump+

#3 Spy x Family 3
#10 World's End Harem 11
#31 Darling in the Franxx 7
#49 2.5D Seduction 2
#50 Aharen-san wa Hakarenai 8
#87 Summertime Rendering 9
#206 Hidarikiki no Eren 11
#262 How to Make a Good Coffee 1
#389 Mutou to Satou 3

KNY Backlog

#18 Kimetsu no Yaiba 18
#19 Kimetsu no Yaiba 5
#20 Kimetsu no Yaiba 4
#21 Kimetsu no Yaiba 6
#24 Kimetsu no Yaiba 16
#25 Kimetsu no Yaiba 15
#26 Kimetsu no Yaiba 3
#28 Kimetsu no Yaiba 13
#29 Kimetsu no Yaiba 14
#32 Kimetsu no Yaiba 12
#34 Kimetsu no Yaiba 2
#36 Kimetsu no Yaiba 11
#41 Kimetsu no Yaiba 10
#42 Kimetsu no Yaiba 9
#44 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1
#46 Kimetsu no Yaiba 7
#52 Kimetsu no Yaiba 8
#58 Kimetsu no Yaiba 17
#83 Kimetsu no Yaiba Official Fanbook

MHA Backlog

#38 My Hero Academia 25
#79 My Hero Academia 24
#98 My Hero Academia 23
#106 My Hero Academia 18
#107 My Hero Academia 21
#108 My Hero Academia 22
#109 My Hero Academia 20
#122 My Hero Academia 19
#125 My Hero Academia 1
#126 My Hero Academia 2
#128 My Hero Academia 17
#142 My Hero Academia 3
#158 My Hero Academia 5
#172 My Hero Academia 4
#179 My Hero Academia 9
#181 My Hero Academia 6
#183 My Hero Academia 14
#190 My Hero Academia 11
#201 My Hero Academia 16
#202 My Hero Academia 15
#203 My Hero Academia 3
#208 My Hero Academia 12
#210 My Hero Academia 10
#223 My Hero Academia 8
#225 My Hero Academia 7
#455 My Hero Academia Official Character Book

Samurai 8 So far:

Vol 1: 30th > 43th > 51th
Vol 2: 40th > 49th > 58th
Vol 3: 40th > 49th > 53th

Vol 3 have better legs than the first volumes, is dropping slower

 

[Ryuusei]

Looking forward to oricon numbers tomorrow, also when should we expect the next batch of reprints announced?

Reprints are very irregular so it's hard to know. But if KNY's boost keeps going probably in a week or two we'll get an update.

I wonder if the drop in kimetsu backlog (which is still huge) is due to holidays, lack of stock or if it's starting to settle down somewhat.

Reprints are running out most probably. The new batch is only going out at the end of the month.

 

[Thundercat27]

Samurai 8 So far:

Vol 1: 30th > 43th > 51th
Vol 2: 40th > 49th > 58th
Vol 3: 40th > 49th > 53th

Vol 3 have better legs than the first volumes, is dropping slower

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Actually, kinda terrible.

 

[DreamcastDazia]

Well, judging by this old preview page:

WSJ has four broad categories. Battle, Sports, Gag, and Love Comedy. They might have one or two more categories that weren't advertised on that particular page, but you can pretty easily fit most WSJ series into one of the categories. Right now it's probably something like:

Battle:
One Piece
My Hero Academia
Black Clover
Kimetsu no Yaiba
The Promised Neverland
Dr. Stone
Jujutsu Kaisen
Chainsaw Man
Samurai 8: The Tale of Hachimaru
Zipman!!

Sport:
Haikyu!!
Act-Age

Gag:
Mission: Yozakura Family
Mitama Security: Spirit Busters
Agravity Boys

Love Comedy:
Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs
We Never Learn

So the category they're hurting the most in at the moment is Gag series. All three series in that category are new and have yet to prove themselves. I think the last real success they had in the gag slot was Saiki Kusuo no Psi-nan, and before these current three, I don't think they had anything in that slot since Jimoto ga Japan moved magazines, and David ended.

So they're currently throwing a bunch of gag focused series out to see what sticks. They don't need a massive success, just something that'll hold it's own and be around for a couple years.

How is Act Age sport. How are The Promised Neverland and Dr.Stone battle. Wtf

 

[tirakai]

Neverland's been mostly battle shounen since the second half of the Goldy Pond arc really. Dr Stone is currently doing battle shounen stuff though I'd say most of the time it focuses on village science progress stuff.

Act-age definitely isn't sport at all though, people just like to shove it there because they're obsessed with forcing things into concise little categories whether they fit or not, TVTropes style.

 

[yadayada]

Reprints are very irregular so it's hard to know. But if KNY's boost keeps going probably in a week or two we'll get an update.



Reprints are running out most probably. The new batch is only going out at the end of the month.

We're still 9 days away from volume 18's reprint and 15 from vol 1-17's reprint though...that's kinda crazy if true.

I'd really like to know what the situation inside is rn, cause it felt like while kimetsu was selling decently they didn't really expect it to become a big hit even with an anime so they were fine with it ending quickly and having a fast pacing, but now all of a sudden it's by far their biggest series in a long time and they're probably scrambling to convince Gotouge to extend it.
Truly weird.

Neverland's been mostly battle shounen since the second half of the Goldy Pond arc really. Dr Stone is currently doing battle shounen stuff though I'd say most of the time it focuses on village science progress stuff.

Act-age definitely isn't sport at all though, people just like to shove it there because they're obsessed with forcing things into concise little categories whether they fit or not, TVTropes style.

I think act-age somewhat fits the boxes if you really want to put it somewhere, even though it feels kinda forced.

 

[DreamcastDazia]

We're still 9 days away from volume 18's reprint and 15 from vol 1-17's reprint though...that's kinda crazy if true.

I'd really like to know what the situation inside is rn, cause it felt like while kimetsu was selling decently they didn't really expect it to become a big hit even with an anime so they were fine with it ending quickly and having a fast pacing, but now all of a sudden it's by far their biggest series in a long time and they're probably scrambling to convince Gotouge to extend it.
Truly weird.



I think act-age somewhat fits the boxes if you really want to put it somewhere, even though it feels kinda forced.

Acting isn't a sport. It literally doesn't fit at all.

There should just be a unique or other category since jump always has manga that doesn't fit into any of the main 4 genres. That's where AA, TPN AND DRS should go

 

[yadayada]

Acting isn't a sport. It literally doesn't fit at all.

There should just be a unique or other category since jump always has manga that doesn't fit into any of the main 4 genres. That's where AA, TPN AND DRS should go

Karuta isn't a sport either but Chihayafuru is considered a sports manga.
Same for hikaru no go I guess.

If you want to put it somewhere it's definitely where it'd go and you can draw similarities between AA and the spokon genre, although like I said, it's pretty forced.

 

[tirakai]

Karuta is a competitive sport of sorts (the mind-focused type, like chess or mahjong or poker), at least it's treated that way in Chihayafuru.

For an example from this magazine you've got Shokugeki which is about cooking, that's not a sport at all, but because it's clearly structure as a sports series with one-on-one cook-offs being the core of the series it fits pretty well as a sports manga. Act-age however doesn't follow that sort of structure at all, it's a character drama. Even when there's competitive elements the competition part really doesn't matter and gets little focus.

The way I've always seen Jump is

battle shounen (usually 8-11 series I think)
sports (usually 1-3)
romcoms (usually 1-2)
gag (usually 1-2 these days)
and other stuff not-standard for Jump that adds a bit more variety to the roster (usually 1-3)

the other series will dip into the core 4 genres sometimes (like Dr Stone mixing battle arcs and more pure crafting arcs) but We've always had at least a manga or 2 that's distinctly not one of the main 4 types.

 

[DreamcastDazia]

Karuta isn't a sport either but Chihayafuru is considered a sports manga.
Same for hikaru no go I guess.

If you want to put it somewhere it's definitely where it'd go and you can draw similarities between AA and the spokon genre, although like I said, it's pretty forced.

Wha-what? Idk much about chihayafuru but go is definitely a sport. And chihahafuru look like sport.

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Karuta is a competitive sport of sorts (the mind-focused type, like chess or mahjong or poker), at least it's treated that way in Chihayafuru.

For an example from this magazine you've got Shokugeki which is about cooking, that's not a sport at all, but because it's clearly structure as a sports series with one-on-one cook-offs being the core of the series it fits pretty well as a sports manga. Act-age however doesn't follow that sort of structure at all, it's a character drama. Even when there's competitive elements the competition part really doesn't matter and gets little focus.

The way I've always seen Jump is

battle shounen (usually 8-11 series I think)
sports (usually 1-3)
romcoms (usually 1-2)
gag (usually 1-2 these days)
and other stuff not-standard for Jump that adds a bit more variety to the roster (usually 1-3)

Yes, exactly. They are competing against each other. That is sports.

 

[yadayada]

Wha-what? Idk much about chihayafuru but go is definitely a sport. And chihahafuru look like sport.

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Yes, exactly.

If we're going by technicality, no it is not. Same for karuta.

Karuta is a competitive sport of sorts (the mind-focused type, like chess or mahjong or poker), at least it's treated that way in Chihayafuru.

For an example from this magazine you've got Shokugeki which is about cooking, that's not a sport at all, but because it's clearly structure as a sports series with one-on-one cook-offs being the core of the series it fits pretty well as a sports manga. Act-age however doesn't follow that sort of structure at all, it's a character drama. Even when there's competitive elements the competition part really doesn't matter and gets little focus.

The way I've always seen Jump is

battle shounen (usually 8-11 series I think)
sports (usually 1-3)
romcoms (usually 1-2)
gag (usually 1-2 these days)
and other stuff not-standard for Jump that adds a bit more variety to the roster (usually 1-3)

the other series will dip into the core 4 genres sometimes (like Dr Stone mixing battle arcs and more pure crafting arcs) but We've always had at least a manga or 2 that's distinctly not one of the main 4 types.

While I do agree with everything you said, act-age also has those competitions (not always mind you) and it does focus a lot about Yonagi's growth as an actress (which would be the "sport" in question) which is why I said that, while it does still feel forced, you can draw some similarities and put it there if you really want to put it somewhere. It's definitely not classic spokon, but I never claimed it was.