Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jko]

Her arrogance doesn’t even steem with Laxus lol. She says she wished she had Natsu or Gray with her just to fight Laxus.

Her statements were contradicting each other in the end. She underestimated Laxus' power, yet was saying it would be better if she had Gray or Natsu with her? She didn't even see the reason why Natsu admired Laxus until now.... I dunno why she was hyping him up, but also downplaying him at the same time lol.

The fight was really good, but the statements she made were conflicting with each other.

 

[GL_Nova]

no way God Serena is as strong as Laxus, he is far above Laxus!
The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th WS were probably each as strong as most of the springgan just that God Serena is stronger, Serena is probably just below August I terms of spriggan rankings, Laxus is not so strong that he can solo the WS, just because God Serena was 1HKO by Acnologia doesn't take away from the fact that out off all the manga behind Acnologia, Egneel and FDK Natsu he has the most impressive battle feats, far above those of Ajeel who almost got killed before even the war and who was struggling against Erza

Laxus is clearly stronger than Serena. An likely would have destroyed him had they encounters each other. Honestly it’s a waste that he didn’t encounter him, as defeating the 1st Wizard Saint, a Dragon Slayer would hVe perfectly ended his arc imo.

An don’t ignore how well Erza performed against Irene, she’s not a great example. Especially considering how many circumstances were saving Ajeel’s bacon.

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No idea how I ended up in the first few pages, carry on

 

[AmitDS]

We really don't need 100% certainty. Winning more than 50% of the time is enough to say someone is better.

But honestly, why can't we say Elfman would win 100% of the time? He tanked Lucy's star dress mix, beat up Loke, and stalemated Madmole. During the fight with Madmole, he did more damage to Madmole than Natsu's demolition fist did. Elfman's attack power is much higher than Lucy's, and his durability is enough so that he can tank Lucy's best attacks. What exactly can Lucy use now that her star dress mix has failed, and strongest spirits has been defeated? If Elfman can beat Loki, which is Lucy's strongest spirit, then he can beat any of Lucy's other spirits.



Yes, to cast Urano Metria. However, she arguably no longer needs to do this because she could just cast Urano Metria with the power boost Aquarius' star dress provides. That's what she used against Jackal, and that was more powerful than using Gemini to cast Urani Metria. By Lucy's own words, Gemini's power didn't make the spell as powerful as when Lucy first used it against Angel. Star Dress mix takes power from both Loki and Virgo, which makes it more powerful than Aquarius' star dress. Again, scaling off the Dragon Eaters, Aqua Metria and the star dress itself was easily defeated by a wave of Kyria's arms.

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Baccus was later defeated by Ichiya, which basically debunked his hype of being on Erza's level. Erza might have stalemated him in their prior exchanges, but that was probably because she wasn't going all out. Also, Natsu did better than Elfman against Madmole. FDK Purgatory did more damage. So no, Elfman isn't stronger than Natsu. He does, however, have an attack that is stronger than FDK demolition fist.

Again, Lucy already used Gemini in her fight. She used it to clone Lisanna, and then Gemini was immediately oneshotted by Skullion. Moreover, the strongest casting of Urano Metria wasn't with Gemini. It never was. The strongest casting of Urano Metria was with Aquarius' star dress. When Lucy used Gemini to cast Urano Metria, she actually said that it wasn't as powerful as when she casted it against Angel. This was after she unlocked second origin. So honestly, I'm not sure why this Gemini-combo is being touted. It would be more effective to have Gemini take another shot with star dress mix. But again, Elfman can already tank that.

Just because Lucy used Gemini one time in the GMG to help her cast a weaker Urano Metria doesn't mean that this is the only way she can use Gemini. It has already been shown that Gemini perfectly copies people and can use their magic, even copy their though processes and come up with the same plans as the original as it happens. So yes, disregarding Mashima's own plot preferences and only going on skills as is the norm in these match ups, nothing is stopping Lucy from using Gemini to double her power.

Spoiler

So in theory Lucy with Gemini as Lucy can each use Lucy's full powered Urano metria, summon more spirits, and even use other star dresses and star dress mix forms.

Kyria can cut through almost anything. Elfman cannot deal with fast opponents, cut through the land moving like the sea against him and we don't know how he would fare against Lucy and Gemini using Urano Metria, Aqua Metria or other moves in tandem after a prolonged fight. So that is why I say it is still possible that Lucy draws with or beats him.

Lucy's star dress mix forms can only be used for a few minutes. It's stated that it's a form she can only use for a short time. Therefore it is not a standard form she can use constantly and is more like a finisher.

Elfman didn't one shot Leo and Leo took punches from him while Lucy took punches from Mira before Loke was tied up (not confirmed if both Mira and Elfman tied him up based on Mira's statement). It's not like he just beat Leo easily in one shot and made him vanish. If the argument is that Lucy is less than Elfman because Elfman ended up beating Leo, her strongest spirit, then why are people ignoring that Lucy in her Leo star dress took punches from Mirajane in her BSS form at the same time? Lucy also endured Kyria's roar and evaded Lisanna who is faster than Elfman (while not in her Scorpio or Cancer Star dresses which boost speed) and who had to switch opponents with him when Wahl used his weakness magic on them all.

Spoiler

So clearly Elfman cannot easily beat her with his strength and like with Madmole he'd need a drawn out fight. And as I said a drawn out fight with Lucy involves, not only Lucy, but Gemini, Leo and more spirits. It should be noted that the same Lion Form that didn't one shot Leo was used vs Madmole and after a while injured him to lead to a tie despite not working on him at first (so Elfman had to break through his defense after a while unlike Natsu).

Spoiler

Natsu and Elfman reacted the same when they hit Madmole at first and we know those 2 are on different levels. However while Natsu was put on a boat before he could do more and then was able to hurt him with 1 attack Elfman had a long drawn out fight to amass injuries on Madmole.

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And after witnessing this and witnessing Elfman endure her Lion Maiden attack, we see Lucy, who is notably intelligent, surmise that Taurus would do better than Leo AND we know that both her and Gemini can use Taurus Star dresses. And unlike in the case of the fight this would be Elfman alone. He likely can't one shot Lucy like Madmole one shot Taurus.

So that is why I say it is possible that Elfman loses simply because of how Lucy's powers match against his, how she had already tanked punches from Mirajane and Leo tanked some of his and because he is still weaker than Gray, Gajeel and Base Natsu so it isn't crazy to conclude that he is someone people like Lucy or Wendy can manage to high diff.

 

[sharkai]

Nah dog, she was obviously comparing him to herself and the rest of team Natsu, prob why she wanted Gray and Natsu to help her against him. She knew he was at least a match for her, Natsu and Gray combined, but foolishly thought he couldn’t replace all of team Natsu. After all it took her with the power of Natsu, the power of Gray and the power of Wendy to match him. Only member missing is Lucy, but close enough considering he had to beat someone capable of soloing Lucy and Wendy immediately before.

Yep, good old Laxus, better than team Natsu since Tenrou

I dono
She did hold back majority of the fight to you know not hurt laxus accidentally. And allowed laxus to get plenty of free hits in.
And in the end she used her weakest move to stalemate laxus strongest move. Dont see any natsu or gray there.
Doesnt seems like she was comparing him to her entire team.

Though we should definitely be impressed by laxus. He did improve alot, from the last arc

 

[grey matter]

Her statements were contradicting each other in the end. She underestimated Laxus' power, yet was saying it would be better if she had Gray or Natsu with her? She didn't even see the reason why Natsu admired Laxus until now.... I dunno why she was hyping him up, but also downplaying him at the same time lol.

The fight was really good, but the statements she made were were conflicting with each other.

It's Hiro trying to hype up Laxus, but he simultaneously couldn't let anyone have something over his babygirl lmao

 

[Axiomus]

Just because Lucy used Gemini one time in the GMG to help her cast a weaker Urano Metria doesn't mean that this is the only way she can use Gemini. It has already been shown that Gemini perfectly copies people and can use their magic, even copy their though processes and come up with the same plans as the original as it happens. So yes, disregarding Mashima's own plot preferences and only going on skills as is the norm in these match ups, nothing is stopping Lucy from using Gemini to double her power.

Spoiler

So in theory Lucy with Gemini as Lucy can each use Lucy's full powered Urano metria, summon more spirits, and even use other star dresses and star dress mix forms.

Kyria can cut through almost anything. Elfman cannot deal with fast opponents, cut through the land moving like the sea against him and we don't know how he would fare against Lucy and Gemini using Urano Metria, Aqua Metria or other moves in tandem after a prolonged fight. So that is why I say it is still possible that Lucy draws with or beats him.

Lucy's star dress mix forms can only be used for a few minutes. It's stated that it's a form she can only use for a short time. Therefore it is not a standard form she can use constantly and is more like a finisher.

Elfman didn't one shot Leo and Leo took punches from him while Lucy took punches from Mira before Loke was tied up (not confirmed if both Mira and Elfman tied him up based on Mira's statement). It's not like he just beat Leo easily in one shot and made him vanish. If the argument is that Lucy is less than Elfman because Elfman ended up beating Leo, her strongest spirit, then why are people ignoring that Lucy in her Leo star dress took punches from Mirajane in her BSS form at the same time? Lucy also endured Kyria's roar and evaded Lisanna who is faster than Elfman (while not in her Scorpio or Cancer Star dresses which boost speed) and who had to switch opponents with him when Wahl used his weakness magic on them all.

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So clearly Elfman cannot easily beat her with his strength and like with Madmole he'd need a drawn out fight. And as I said a drawn out fight with Lucy involves, not only Lucy, but Gemini, Leo and more spirits. It should be noted that the same Lion Form that didn't one shot Leo was used vs Madmole and after a while injured him to lead to a tie despite not working on him at first (so Elfman had to break through his defense after a while unlike Natsu).

Spoiler

Natsu and Elfman reacted the same when they hit Madmole at first and we know those 2 are on different levels. However while Natsu was put on a boat before he could do more and then was able to hurt him with 1 attack Elfman had a long drawn out fight to amass injuries on Madmole.

Spoiler

And after witnessing this and witnessing Elfman endure her Lion Maiden attack, we see Lucy, who is notably intelligent, surmise that Taurus would do better than Leo AND we know that both her and Gemini can use Taurus Star dresses. And unlike in the case of the fight this would be Elfman alone. He likely can't one shot Lucy like Madmole one shot Taurus.

So that is why I say it is possible that Elfman loses simply because of how Lucy's powers match against his, how she had already tanked punches from Mirajane and Leo tanked some of his and because he is still weaker than Gray, Gajeel and Base Natsu so it isn't crazy to conclude that he is someone people like Lucy or Wendy can manage to high diff.

I never said that casting Urano Metria was the only way to use Gemini. I'm saying that casting Urano Metria with Gemini is less effective than casting Urano Metria with Aquarius' star dress, and that Star Dress mix is superior to Aquarius' star dress. Lucy flat out says that when she used Gemini to cast Urano Metria wasn't as powerful as when she used it to cast Angel.

Spoiler

Lucy never endured Kyria's roar. She was defeated. She was knocked unconscious and out cold. That's no endurance feat. Kyria can't actually cut everything. She couldn't cut Laxus, even superficially, with her roar. This technically makes Kyria's cutting capacity less potent than Erza's swords, which were able to give Laxus good cuts. So no, Kyria isn't able to cut everything. Honestly, to suggest that an attack that Kyria can overpower with a wave of her hand can defeat Elfman when neither of Madmole's or Skullion's attacks can is a bit ridiculous. Kyria should at best be considered on Madmole's level.

Okay. So Elfman didn't oneshot Loke. So what? He still wasn't the least bit tired after beating Loke. It's not even clear that Loke even managed to land a single hit against Elfman. Why should I believe that Taurus would do any better? I'm not buying the "Lucy's intellect proves that Taurus would be effective against Elfman". Taurus was oneshotted by Madmole, plain and simple. Elfman hits just as hard, if not harder than Madmole. Honestly, the fact that they went through the trouble of tying them tells us that Elfman and Mirajane were toying with Lucy's spirits.

As far as the comparisons with Natsu goes. I've already explained how Natsu did better than Elfman because Purgatory did more damage. This doesn't change the fact that Madmole can tank demolition fist without a scratch, and that Demolition Fist can oneshot Makarov. Elfman by scratching Madmole proved that his attack power is greater than Demolition Fist, even if it isn't greater than Purgatory. It's more than enough to beat any of Lucy's spirits or Lucy herself, all of whom have been defeated by attacks far weaker than demolition fist.

 

[sharkai]

Her statements were contradicting each other in the end. She underestimated Laxus' power, yet was saying it would be better if she had Gray or Natsu with her? She didn't even see the reason why Natsu admired Laxus until now.... I dunno why she was hyping him up, but also downplaying him at the same time lol.

The fight was really good, but the statements she made were were conflicting with each other.

It's Hiro trying to hype up Laxus, but he simultaneously couldn't let anyone have something over his babygirl lmao

She actually was downplaying him. There is only one statement which could be considered to hype laxus, which was stated in the start. After that it was all underestimating laxus

 

[AmitDS]

I doubt Erza is downplaying Laxus, just amazed that he is so much stronger than she thought even though she already thought he was stronger than her. And she saw it as his win because she was knocked out before he sat down and passed out so Laxus, to her, is stronger than she is with Natsu and Gray's magic helping her and her going all out with that as her ace. This is why she says she can now see why Natsu admired him so much, he's so much more powerful than she thought and more powerful than she is even with her extra boosts.

 

[grey matter]

But look at ur avi tho

Hey you changed your pfp

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She actually was downplaying him. There is only one statement which could be considered to hype laxus, which was stated in the start. After that it was all underestimating laxus

It just shows Erza's massive ego lul

In Alverez, Laxus was about to one shot someone, against whom Erza struggled. He killed another Spriggan when he got around the lighting immunity as well.

In current arc, Laxus was so strong that the hax which worked on Erza failed on Laxus. Laxus no/low diffed Kiria, and yet she's underestimating him?
If anything, the fact that she needed multiple buffs (dragon seal, Natsu and Gray powers) to give Laxus extreme diff, after Laxus finished off Kiria, speaks for itself

 

[sharkai]

Hey you changed your pfp

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It just shows Erza's massive ego lul

In Alverez, Laxus was about to one shot someone, against whom Erza struggled. He killed another Spriggan when he got around the lighting immunity as well.

In current arc, Laxus was so strong that the hax which worked on Erza failed on Laxus. Laxus no/low diffed Kiria, and yet she's underestimating him?
If anything, the fact that she needed multiple buffs (dragon seal, Natsu and Gray powers) to give Laxus extreme diff, after Laxus finished off Kiria, speaks for itself

Canonically erza doent have an ego problem.

Erza was right next to laxus when he nuked ajeel. She knows its nothing impressive.
Wahl was very weak, and pis and cis in laxus vs wahl fight was erza vs koyoka level, so not impressive or as impressive as the crap erza vs irene was

He got around that hax because he is weak

Laxus was actually buffed. Erza wasnt
Laxus wasnt suprised by erza strength, erza was suprised by laxus strength. This cannon now, its laxus who improved the most.

Erza had one buff, a small buff, that dragon seal. It most likely slightly increased her attack power
Her using natsu and gray magic, was just one attack. After that she became serious and used belserion sword against laxus. You can see that sword when erza and laxus are exchanging blows and both are serious.

Meanwhile laxus already knew non serious erza required red lightening mode, which is actually a huge buff. Add when erza used fire and ice sword (while holding back) it drew alot of laxus blood. Which buffed laxus even more. Laxus red lightening mode increaded his attack power and might have increased his speed as well ( lightening body was red)
Serious erza was fine against this buffed up laxus with just dragon seal. Her dragon seal with blumblatt was strong enough to stalemate laxus most strongest move in his buffed up red lightening mode. (No fire and ice swords required)

Erza buff
Dragon seal (nothing about huge power change is mentioned)
Belserion swrod
Fire and ice sword (only one attack when non serious)

Laxus buff
Red lightening mode (power increased alot)
Bleeding buff for red lightening mode (even more increase is mentioned)


I guess alot of people have problem now. People always tbought portrayal wise laxus was above erza by alot. Apparently he wasnt even above her, atleast in erza point of view. And all feats people use to hype laxus a tier or so above erza, happened when erza was around. Those feats were apparently not suppose to show laxus above erza at all.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Too bad i can barely see my own avi
Glad i didnt invest in an ipad or something

She can only compare herself with laxus.
She thought laxus was weaker than her. Now she knows he is strong enough to hang with her.
But yeah, she knows better now

Too bad the feats you guys used to rate laxus couple of tiers above erza, erza didnt even think of them as something worth while

Bruh

No wonder Hypnosis worked on her

 

[bugen]

I doubt Erza is downplaying Laxus, just amazed that he is so much stronger than she thought even though she already thought he was stronger than her. And she saw it as his win because she was knocked out before he sat down and passed out so Laxus, to her, is stronger than she is with Natsu and Gray's magic helping her and her going all out with that as her ace. This is why she says she can now see why Natsu admired him so much, he's so much more powerful than she thought and more powerful than she is even with her extra boosts.

Exactly, Erza was left ko thinking Laxus won, even having used her strong cards (her new technique enchanted sword of fire and ice and dragon seal).
Erza could never know that it was really a double ko, but at least if she realized that she was wrong with force of Laxus.

 

[Seven777]

I dono
She did hold back majority of the fight to you know not hurt laxus accidentally. And allowed laxus to get plenty of free hits in.
And in the end she used her weakest move to stalemate laxus strongest move. Dont see any natsu or gray there.
Doesnt seems like she was comparing him to her entire team.

Though we should definitely be impressed by laxus. He did improve alot, from the last arc

Of course, she was buffed by the entirety of team Natsu(minus Lucy), she should've been able to beat him based on her foolish preconceptions, but he was just too good. Erza did well to catch up to him after so long though, her power's been slowly creeping on his for a while now, never quite catching up, but now with the power of team Natsu at her disposal she's finally a decent match for him, too bad she still couldn't win

 

[sharkai]

Of course, she was buffed by the entirety of team Natsu(minus Lucy), she should've been able to beat him based on her foolish preconceptions, but he was just too good. Erza did well to catch up to him after so long though, her power's been slowly creeping on his for a while now, never quite catching up, but now with the power of team Natsu at her disposal she's finally a decent match for him, too bad she still couldn't win

Hold on hold on
Erza blumblatt, her weakest attack. You know the one irene turned to flowers, stalemated laxus strongest move. You reckon that move was powered up by natsu, gray and wendy

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Bruh

No wonder Hypnosis worked on her

Strong people get effected by that hax.
Weak people can easily overcome that hax
Thats mishma logic mate

 

[Seven777]

Hold on hold on
Erza blumblatt, her weakest attack. You know the one irene turned to flowers, stalemated laxus strongest move. You reckon that move was powered up by natsu, gray and wendy

Blumenblatt, the attack Laxus easily turned to dust while busting up the tower? Nah, she'd prob run out of everyone else's power by that point

 

[grey matter]

I doubt Erza is downplaying Laxus, just amazed that he is so much stronger than she thought even though she already thought he was stronger than her. And she saw it as his win because she was knocked out before he sat down and passed out so Laxus, to her, is stronger than she is with Natsu and Gray's magic helping her and her going all out with that as her ace. This is why she says she can now see why Natsu admired him so much, he's so much more powerful than she thought and more powerful than she is even with her extra boosts.

Wow, we agree on something LMAO.
Completely agreed

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Canonically erza doent have an ego problem.

Erza was right next to laxus when he nuked ajeel. She knows its nothing impressive.
Wahl was very weak, and pis and cis in laxus vs wahl fight was erza vs koyoka level, so not impressive or as impressive as the crap erza vs irene was

He got around that hax because he is weak

Laxus was actually buffed. Erza wasnt
Laxus wasnt suprised by erza strength, erza was suprised by laxus strength. This cannon now, its laxus who improved the most.

Erza had one buff, a small buff, that dragon seal. It most likely slightly increased her attack power
Her using natsu and gray magic, was just one attack. After that she became serious and used belserion sword against laxus. You can see that sword when erza and laxus are exchanging blows and both are serious.

Meanwhile laxus already knew non serious erza required red lightening mode, which is actually a huge buff. Add when erza used fire and ice sword (while holding back) it drew alot of laxus blood. Which buffed laxus even more. Laxus red lightening mode increaded his attack power and might have increased his speed as well ( lightening body was red)
Serious erza was fine against this buffed up laxus with just dragon seal. Her dragon seal with blumblatt was strong enough to stalemate laxus most strongest move in his buffed up red lightening mode. (No fire and ice swords required)

Erza buff
Dragon seal (nothing about huge power change is mentioned)
Belserion swrod
Fire and ice sword (only one attack when non serious)

Laxus buff
Red lightening mode (power increased alot)
Bleeding buff for red lightening mode (even more increase is mentioned)


I guess alot of people have problem now. People always tbought portrayal wise laxus was above erza by alot. Apparently he wasnt even above her, atleast in erza point of view. And all feats people use to hype laxus a tier or so above erza, happened when erza was around. Those feats were apparently not suppose to show laxus above erza at all.

Red lighting is Laxus' own powers. It's similar to how Natsu can go FDKM.

Dragon seal isn't Erza's, the source of that is Wendy. Gray's and Natsu's power isn't her's. She may have learned how to enchant by herself.... she can't get Natsu's and Gray's powers out of thin air, but what she can do is enchant their powers onto her sword beforehand, so that she can use it later when required.

Erza was matching Laxus only with borrowed powers. That too after Laxus finished off Kiria.

Laxus was always shown to be stronger than Erza, from day one.
Laxus' Alverez arc feats > Erza's Alverez arc feats. The portrayal is also clear. Laxus could easily defeat two Spriggans. Erza extreme diff'd one (who Laxus was gonna one shot) and lost to two others.
GMG is self explanatory. Laxus beat someone who could defeat both Erza and Mira by hype.
Laxus did better against Hades than entire team Natsu did COMBINED, even with Wendy's buffs

It's clear that Kiria's hax failed on him because he's a tier ahead of her, there is precedence for hax failing on much stronger opponents. What Laxus said was that it doesn't matter if he's weakened or not because he's weak anyway, it's nothing more than a typical FT speech showing importance of guild. It's not too be taken as a literal explanation, it's like happy saying it's because she's Erza lol.

 

[bugen]

Dragon seal isn't Erza's, the source of that is Wendy. Gray's and Natsu's power isn't her's. She may have learned how to enchant by herself.... she can't get Natsu's and Gray's powers out of thin air, but what she can do is enchant their powers onto her sword beforehand, so that she can use it later when required

Dragon's seal was made by Erza herself, because wendy, apart from being in another city, did not stop in combat to make the enchant to Erza, she did it herself.

that of the fire-ice powers in the swords is not very different from the swords with erza powers that she has always had, only this time she herself needs to enchant them to use her powers, something like the second origin with the nakagami.

Whether she takes the powers of gray and natsu herself or that those powers are already beforehand in the sword to activate them by enchantment does not downplay "strength" from Erza, for they are what they are, swords with powers, enchantment does she herself.

 

[Jko]

Wow, we agree on something LMAO.
Completely agreed

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Red lighting is Laxus' own powers. It's similar to how Natsu can go FDKM.

Dragon seal isn't Erza's, the source of that is Wendy. Gray's and Natsu's power isn't her's. She may have learned how to enchant by herself.... she can't get Natsu's and Gray's powers out of thin air, but what she can do is enchant their powers onto her sword beforehand, so that she can use it later when required.

Erza was matching Laxus only with borrowed powers. That too after Laxus finished off Kiria.

Laxus was always shown to be stronger than Erza, from day one.
Laxus' Alverez arc feats > Erza's Alverez arc feats. The portrayal is also clear. Laxus could easily defeat two Spriggans. Erza extreme diff'd one (who Laxus was gonna one shot) and lost to two others.
GMG is self explanatory. Laxus beat someone who could defeat both Erza and Mira by hype.
Laxus did better against Hades than entire team Natsu did COMBINED, even with Wendy's buffs

It's clear that Kiria's hax failed on him because he's a tier ahead of her, there is precedence for hax failing on much stronger opponents. What Laxus said was that it doesn't matter if he's weakened or not because he's weak anyway, it's nothing more than a typical FT speech showing importance of guild. It's not too be taken as a literal explanation, it's like happy saying it's because she's Erza lol.

She did DSeal herself so it is her magic. Erza never borrowed magic in that fight. Wendy was never stated to enchant anything to Erza before or in the fight. Erza had zero power ups and zero external amps therefore everything she used was of her own power. Laxus did better against Hades than an exhausted Team Natsu. Two members were shown to almost fall out and had to carry each other to the ship lol. Jura thing was with Mira and Tenrou Erza since Erza hasn't released SO. Erza came around and had better feats than Jura with the Kyouka fight.

Laxus only defeated one S12...and that was only bcs that S12 went retarded. Elfman now has feats of punching harder than FDK Demo-fist that means Ajeel got hit consecutively with FDK level hits from Elf and Elf had immunity to sand. Ajeel is actually pretty damn powerful now that we know how powerful Elf is. We also know Ajeel didn't resort to SW as it would've covered the battlefield like Invel's blizzard. Laxus failed to beat Kiria in one hit so he wasn't beating Ajeel in one hit especially a casual hit. He also stated only RL could be enough to put down Erza.... That would suggest Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus as RL was an asspull in Alvarez.

Her hax failed bcs he had a weak heart, it had nothing to do with PL. Otherwise Kiria hax wouldn't work on Erza. Hax disregards PL unless stated so as there is overwhelming evidence in the manga as well as statements from the author that says hax bust PLs.

She actually was downplaying him. There is only one statement which could be considered to hype laxus, which was stated in the start. After that it was all underestimating laxus

She was hyped his strength several times whilst also downplayed his strength several times. Seemed OOC as well as contradicting.

It's Hiro trying to hype up Laxus, but he simultaneously couldn't let anyone have something over his babygirl lmao

The thing is Erza could have just thought she herself was above Laxus. But, let's not have her hype him up just to downplay him two seconds later since it makes her look stupid. It made no sense to do that. His hype was being showned by his feats alone. She doesn't need to say all this stuff of needing Natsu or Gray or keep commenting on his power when she was literally fighting on par with him. She even held back until the end of the fight... like what? Lol.

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Laxus and Erza are equals through and through and that was shown in their 1v1. Both fighters admitted to losing, the audience (Kiria) admitted to them taking each other out, and the author confirmed it as a double k.o. in the latest chapter cover (Chapter 46).

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Blumenblatt, the attack Laxus easily turned to dust while busting up the tower? Nah, she'd prob run out of everyone else's power by that point

Blumenblatt was shown to be equal to Mercury Fulminate as both attacks did damage to the other when they clashed off. The tower busted from the combined power of both attacks. You can see the slashed marks from the busted tower as well as slash marks from the attack hitting Laxus.

 

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She did DSeal herself so it is her magic. Erza never borrowed magic in that fight. Wendy was never stated to enchant anything to Erza before or in the fight. Erza had zero power ups and zero external amps therefore everything she used was of her own power. Laxus did better against Hades than an exhausted Team Natsu. Two members were shown to almost fall out and had to carry each other to the ship lol. Jura thing was with Mira and Tenrou Erza since Erza hasn't released SO. Erza came around and had better feats than Jura with the Kyouka fight.

Laxus only defeated one S12...and that was only bcs that S12 went retarded. Elfman now has feats of punching harder than FDK Demo-fist that means Ajeel got hit consecutively with FDK level hits from Elf and Elf had immunity to sand. Ajeel is actually pretty damn powerful now that we know how powerful Elf is. He failed to beat Kiria in one hit and stated only RL could be enough to put down Erza.... That would suggest Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus as RL was an asspull in Alvarez.

Her hax failed bcs he had a weak heart, it had nothing to do with PL. Otherwise Kiria hax wouldn't work on Erza. Hax disregards PL unless stated so as there is overwhelming evidence in the manga as well as statements from the author that says hax bust PLs.


She was hyped his strength several times whilst also downplayed his strength several times. Seemed OOC as well as contradicting.


The thing is Erza could have just thought she herself was above Laxus. But, let's not hype him up just to downplay him two seconds later since it makes her look stupid. It made no sense to do that. His hype was being showned by his feats alone. She doesn't need to say all this stuff of needing Natsu or Gray or keep commenting on his power when she was literally fighting on par with him.

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Laxus and Erza are equals through and through and that was shown in their 1v1. Both fighters admitted to losing, the audience (Kiria) admitted to them taking each other out, and the author confirmed it as a double k.o. in the latest chapter cover (Chapter 46).

She was saying alot about laxus power, but all during when she was holding back.

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Wow, we agree on something LMAO.
Completely agreed

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Red lighting is Laxus' own powers. It's similar to how Natsu can go FDKM.

Dragon seal isn't Erza's, the source of that is Wendy. Gray's and Natsu's power isn't her's. She may have learned how to enchant by herself.... she can't get Natsu's and Gray's powers out of thin air, but what she can do is enchant their powers onto her sword beforehand, so that she can use it later when required.

Erza was matching Laxus only with borrowed powers. That too after Laxus finished off Kiria.

Laxus was always shown to be stronger than Erza, from day one.
Laxus' Alverez arc feats > Erza's Alverez arc feats. The portrayal is also clear. Laxus could easily defeat two Spriggans. Erza extreme diff'd one (who Laxus was gonna one shot) and lost to two others.
GMG is self explanatory. Laxus beat someone who could defeat both Erza and Mira by hype.
Laxus did better against Hades than entire team Natsu did COMBINED, even with Wendy's buffs

It's clear that Kiria's hax failed on him because he's a tier ahead of her, there is precedence for hax failing on much stronger opponents. What Laxus said was that it doesn't matter if he's weakened or not because he's weak anyway, it's nothing more than a typical FT speech showing importance of guild. It's not too be taken as a literal explanation, it's like happy saying it's because she's Erza lol.

Actually in that sense laxus only has borrowed magic. Lightening dragon slayer is not his magic. Its a foreign object in his body, whicb most likely can be taken out.

Yes she can. Natsu nor gray were there, nor was wendy. In the end erza did not use fire and ice sword when she was serious.

Yes you are right red lightening mode laxus was matching non serious erza.

Actually laxus was never shown to.be above erza, like literally never. It was just laxus wank that caught up. Both laxus and erza were considerably above natsu pre ts, that is the only cannon. Rest was fan made.

Everone and their mothers know
erza alverzec feat >>>>>>>>>>> laxus feat alverzec.
Laxus basically defeated rufus of that arc with severe plot nonsense
Meanwhile erza fuked up jura of that arc with same amount of nonsense

Jura hype was bs. Gmg jura was around gmg erza level. Gmg erza without SO defeated WS tier monster plus 99 Other monsters, meaning that erza was around 7 ws tier atleast. SO erza would be 4 or 5 ws tier easily.

Yes keep on comparing wrecked erza with a full fresh laxus, because thats the best laxus got.

Dude, due to this non stop erza downplaying you got here. I saw comment of yours, i think in this chapter or maybe previous chapter spoilers thread, where you talked about WS tier in the beginning of the series. You said.i think markariv gildarts laxus and jellal were all ws or above ws tier from the start of the series. You have already forgotten erza was also ws tier in the start of the series as well.
Another commentor talked about allowing team natsu on this 100 year quest after gildarts fail. I seemz to remember, i think in edolas arc markarov actually asked erza if she wanted to go on this 100 year quest.


As of now, we have some facts that are cannon now
1) erza held back for majority of the fight
2) erza didnt need fire and ice sword when serious
3) erza was shocked that laxus can output power equivalent to her own
4) all laxus feats you know of, happened around erza or she must have heard of um, except wahl one. And she still considered laxus below her.

 

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She did DSeal herself so it is her magic. Erza never borrowed magic in that fight. Wendy was never stated to enchant anything to Erza before or in the fight. Erza had zero power ups and zero external amps therefore everything she used was of her own power. Laxus did better against Hades than an exhausted Team Natsu. Two members were shown to almost fall out and had to carry each other to the ship lol. Jura thing was with Mira and Tenrou Erza since Erza hasn't released SO. Erza came around and had better feats than Jura with the Kyouka fight.

Laxus only defeated one S12...and that was only bcs that S12 went retarded. Elfman now has feats of punching harder than FDK Demo-fist that means Ajeel got hit consecutively with FDK level hits from Elf and Elf had immunity to sand. Ajeel is actually pretty damn powerful now that we know how powerful Elf is. We also know Ajeel didn't resort to SW as it would've covered the battlefield like Invel's blizzard. Laxus failed to beat Kiria in one hit so he wasn't beating Ajeel in one hit especially a casual hit. He also stated only RL could be enough to put down Erza.... That would suggest Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus as RL was an asspull in Alvarez.

Her hax failed bcs he had a weak heart, it had nothing to do with PL. Otherwise Kiria hax wouldn't work on Erza. Hax disregards PL unless stated so as there is overwhelming evidence in the manga as well as statements from the author that says hax bust PLs.


She was hyped his strength several times whilst also downplayed his strength several times. Seemed OOC as well as contradicting.


The thing is Erza could have just thought she herself was above Laxus. But, let's not have her hype him up just to downplay him two seconds later since it makes her look stupid. It made no sense to do that. His hype was being showned by his feats alone. She doesn't need to say all this stuff of needing Natsu or Gray or keep commenting on his power when she was literally fighting on par with him. She even held back until the end of the fight... like what? Lol.

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Blumenblatt was shown to be equal to Mercury Fulminate as both attacks did damage to the other when they clashed off. The tower busted from the combined power of both attacks. You can see the slashed marks from the busted tower as well as slash marks from the attack hitting Laxus.

Dragon Seal basically makes one a Dragon Slayer for the duration it's active. If Erza can activate it by herself, it means that she's a Dragon Slayer now herself.....that makes no sense, I'll assume that the source is Wendy since we saw Wendy giving Dragon Seal to team Natsu before.
Sure, fair enough with the Mira statement, it's a statement anyway. I just put it there to show portrayal of Jura, and hence Laxus.
Jura > Kyouka, so no.

Laxus beat one, sure he got retarded, but he was killed by a blow. Laxus was about to one shot, or at least severely injure, Ajeel. That's why I said 2.
Elfman vs Ajeel is an outlier though, sure Elf is immune to sand, but Ajeel is immune to physical as well (one of the two outliers I consider in the arc, the other one being Natsu vs FH Zeref).

How is having a weak heart preventing nerf from Kiria? That makes no sense, I took that as a typical FT speech rather than a literal explanation. Kiria's roar also did no damage to Laxus while it damaged Erza earlier, if I remember correctly
It just means that Laxus > Erza in magic power. Erza lasted this long only because of her insane durability and ability to keep getting up from damage, Laxus is > in attack power and magic power.

It makes no sense for Erza wanting Natsu or Gray with her, while simultaneously thinking she's above Laxus. Her needing Natsu or Gray was later on given to her through those two swords......I think it's quite symbolic from Mashima
How I interpreted Erza's words was that, inspite of her buffs, she still fell short of beating Laxus. She probably didn't expect him to be that strong