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Blumenblatt, the attack Laxus easily turned to dust while busting up the tower? Nah, she'd prob run out of everyone else's power by that point
Yes, that is right laxus turned that attack to dust, and that weak attack turned laxus strongest to dust and the back lash destroyed the tower.

So now you are saying erza with only her own power stalemated laxus strongest move with her weakest attack with no outside help ?:blink
 

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Dragon Seal basically makes one a Dragon Slayer for the duration it's active. If Erza can activate it by herself, it means that she's a Dragon Slayer now herself.....that makes no sense, I'll assume that the source is Wendy since we saw Wendy giving Dragon Seal to team Natsu before.
Sure, fair enough with the Mira statement, it's a statement anyway. I just put it there to show portrayal of Jura, and hence Laxus.
Jura > Kyouka, so no.

Laxus beat one, sure he got retarded, but he was killed by a blow. Laxus was about to one shot, or at least severely injure, Ajeel. That's why I said 2.
Elfman vs Ajeel is an outlier though, sure Elf is immune to sand, but Ajeel is immune to physical as well (one of the two outliers I consider in the arc, the other one being Natsu vs FH Zeref).

How is having a weak heart preventing nerf from Kiria? That makes no sense, I took that as a typical FT speech rather than a literal explanation. Kiria's roar also did no damage to Laxus while it damaged Erza earlier, if I remember correctly
It just means that Laxus > Erza in magic power. Erza lasted this long only because of her insane durability and ability to keep getting up from damage, Laxus is > in attack power and magic power.

It makes no sense for Erza wanting Natsu or Gray with her, while simultaneously thinking she's above Laxus. Her needing Natsu or Gray was later on given to her through those two swords......I think it's quite symbolic from Mashima
How I interpreted Erza's words was that, inspite of her buffs, she still fell short of beating Laxus. She probably didn't expect him to be that strong
Yeah, bcs she gets DS attribute. None of that was stated to boost her or anyone lol. Wendy didn't give to her again so she can either enchant it herself or it's permanent. Either way DSeal isn't a buff to stats or power lol.

Kyouka has better feats so yeah she is above Jura lol.

You have to remeber Wall is inherently weak to lightning therefore once his is immunity to it is bypass that means he becomes weak to it again. That was via a statement from August which has yet to be proven true as he has never oneshotted an Ajeel tier opponent casually. If Elf is immune to sand that means Ajeel can't use sand body against Elf otherwise he would have been sucked up by Ant Eater when he used it

Bcs that was the explanation. Bs as it maybe, she can't cut his strength bcs he doesn't view himself as strong. Her hax is basically psycho cutting your strength and since Laxus doesn't think he himself is strong then there was nothing to cut. Erza was defenseless at the time since she was weaken due to her strength being cut. Laxus was never stated to extraordinary mp so I don't see his MP being above hers otherwise it would've been noted. Laxus and Erza have equal attack power as shown when they clashed and were dead even.

That had nothing to do with their powers.... It was stated she enchanted the swords herself with their power therefore it's her mp and not their's.

Erza was never buffed in that fight. Her stats remained the same. The only thing she got was stronger equipment that she made.
 
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more like it speaks volumes about Erza's character :cheez
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@Jko BRUH you are betraying your Laxus alliance 😂

looks like there will be war... a bloody one



If being objective is betraying then I guess so.


I don't even like Erza like that either...but I'm not going disrespect her showings just to make Laxus look better than what he is. :neutral :feelsbadman :p
 

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I saw through you



Laxus >= Jelall > Erza

:datass :datass :datass
Lol. Ain't even about Jellal. Plus she doesn't need to be on par with Laxus to be stronger than Jellal since she has better feats than him. :loool
 

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Actually in that sense laxus only has borrowed magic. Lightening dragon slayer is not his magic. Its a foreign object in his body, whicb most likely can be taken out.
By that logic, so is Erza's magic.She takes out armour from another dimension where she stores them.
Laxus can access Lightning Dragon Slaying magic anytime he wants, the same way Erza can access them anytime she wants.
Erza cannot access Gray's and Natsu's powers before enchanting them beforehand.

Yes she can. Natsu nor gray were there, nor was wendy. In the end erza did not use fire and ice sword when she was serious.
Natsu's and Gray's powers were enchanted before hand itself, for later use.
So was likely Wendy's. We know for a fact that Wendy is the source of Dragon Seal. If Erza can activate it indiscriminately, at any point she wants, she's basically a Dragon Slayer now.

Yes you are right red lightening mode laxus was matching non serious erza.
Who was buffed anyway.

Everone and their mothers know
erza alverzec feat >>>>>>>>>>> laxus feat alverzec.
Laxus basically defeated rufus of that arc with severe plot nonsense
Meanwhile erza fuked up jura of that arc with same amount of nonsense

Jura hype was bs. Gmg jura was around gmg erza level. Gmg erza without SO defeated WS tier monster plus 99 Other monsters, meaning that erza was around 7 ws tier atleast. SO erza would be 4 or 5 ws tier easily.
You say Jura hype was BS, but takes Eileen hype to be legit? Lul
Unlike Eileen, Jura proved that he was worthy of his hype in the arc by feats (one shotting Ogra, the strongest member of Sabertooth in physical stats; smacking down Laxus; fight with Jellal etc).
Eileen needed extreme diff to beat injured Erza + Wendy.
And you're conveniently forgetting that Erza beat Ajeel with extreme diff, while Laxus was about to end the guy lol. Erza lost to Neinhart. Laxus killed Wahl. Both of these feats put Laxus above Erza.

Erza didn't beat a WS tier monster lol. It was an 'S class' monster. God knows what that means, since even the fodder Sting and Rouge were 'S class', so were Mira and Erza 3 years before the series began.

Yes keep on comparing wrecked erza with a full fresh laxus, because thats the best laxus got.
It's entire team Natsu. And they were enchanted by Wendy. Ended up utterly fodderized. Laxus gave Hades mid diff at the very least.
If we're going that route, Natsu faced Zero the same way lol. He was not doing any worse than when Zero first wrecked him, Gray and Lucy; this was before he got powered by Jellal

Dude, due to this non stop erza downplaying you got here. I saw comment of yours, i think in this chapter or maybe previous chapter spoilers thread, where you talked about WS tier in the beginning of the series. You said.i think markariv gildarts laxus and jellal were all ws or above ws tier from the start of the series. You have already forgotten erza was also ws tier in the start of the series as well.
Another commentor talked about allowing team natsu on this 100 year quest after gildarts fail. I seemz to remember, i think in edolas arc markarov actually asked erza if she wanted to go on this 100 year quest.


As of now, we have some facts that are cannon now
1) erza held back for majority of the fight
2) erza didnt need fire and ice sword when serious
3) erza was shocked that laxus can output power equivalent to her own
4) all laxus feats you know of, happened around erza or she must have heard of um, except wahl one. And she still considered laxus below her.
How is saying Laxus > Erza downplaying her lol? I judge based on feats and give it more value than hype, which is why I always have Erza > Mira as well inspite of them being portrayed as rivals. Laxus always had better feats and portrayal.

Erza may have been WS tier, it's debatable. Jellal did hint at that, so I can see it being true when combined with her feats.
When did Makarov say that? I don't remember.
 
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Elfman is comparable to Mirajane? Well does that make him stronger than Gray and Gajeel? Since drawing with Madmole = BSS drawing with Skullion. After all, you can't use Lucy's fight alone to compare Mirajane and Elfman's feats.
Being comparable strength wise doesn’t mean equal strength. For example, saying that Elfman’s strength is comparable to Mira’s doesn’t mean he’s stronger than Gray and Gajeel. It just means they’re at similar strength and Elfman isn’t too far behind.

Speaking of lagging behind, Elfman has literally always kept up with the main cast and defeated powerful people. He one shot Etherious Seilah, defeated Ajeel with Lisanna and now he’s tying with freaking Madmole. He also showed us several new forms since GMG.

I mean seriously, did everyone think characters like Gray and Gajeel would one shot Elfman or something? Logically he should be able to give them a mid/high diff battle. He has showed incredible growth.

Also Skullion is stronger than Madmole lol.
 

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Yeah, bcs she gets DS attribute. None of that was stated to boost her or anyone lol. Wendy didn't give to her again so she can either enchant it herself or it's permanent. Either way DSeal isn't a buff to stats or power lol.

Kyouka has better feats so yeah she is above Jura lol.

You have to remeber Wall is inherently weak to lightning therefore once his is immunity to it is bypass that means he becomes weak to it again. That was via a statement from August which has yet to be proven true as he has never oneshotted an Ajeel tier opponent casually. If Elf is immune to sand that means Ajeel can't use sand body against Elf otherwise he would have been sucked up by Ant Eater when he used it

Bcs that was the explanation. Bs as it maybe, she can't cut his strength bcs he doesn't view himself as strong. Her hax is basically psycho cutting your strength and since Laxus doesn't think he himself is strong then there was nothing to cut. Erza was defenseless at the time since she was weaken due to her strength being cut. Laxus was never stated to extraordinary mp so I don't see his MP being above hers otherwise it would've been noted. Laxus and Erza have equal attack power as shown when they clashed and were dead even.

That had nothing to do with their powers.... It was stated she enchanted the swords herself with their power therefore it's her mp and not their's.

Erza was never buffed in that fight. Her stats remained the same. The only thing she got was stronger equipment that she made.
We'll just be going around and around for the others points lol, so I'll just ask about Kyouka and Ajeel

What feats does Kyouka have putting her over Jura? All she did was fight Erza evenly (before she got buffed by Sayla). Sigh, thinking about it makes me remember Erza fighting without any of her senses <_> :feelsbadman

Where does it state that Elfman's takeover could suck up sand? All I knew was that it was immune to sand attacks, from the panels.
 

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LoL so Erza thinking that Laxus is much stronger than expected suddenly means he was below her all those arcs before even though the evidence prove otherwise



it just means that Erza is cocky and arrogant.

it doesn't take a genius to know that Laxus >>> Erza any arc.

call them almost equal now if you wish but before that, Laxus was above her.
 

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Yes, that is right laxus turned that attack to dust, and that weak attack turned laxus strongest to dust and the back lash destroyed the tower.

So now you are saying erza with only her own power stalemated laxus strongest move with her weakest attack with no outside help ?:blink
I didn't see no lightning turn to dust, in fact the lightning looked nice and chunky :hmph
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LoL so Erza thinking that Laxus is much stronger than expected suddenly means he was below her all those arcs before even though the evidence prove otherwise



it just means that Erza is cocky and arrogant.

it doesn't take a genius to know that Laxus >>> Erza any arc.

call them almost equal now if you wish but before that, Laxus was above her.
It's all good dog, Erza merely didn't think he was strong enough to take on the entirety of team Natsu, she always knew he was stronger than her. It's why she wanted Natsu and Gray to join her in fighting him.
 

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I didn't see no lightning turn to dust, in fact the lightning looked nice and chunky :hmph
Didn't Blum-whatever its name is knocked Acno from the sky???



It's all good dog, Erza merely didn't think he was strong enough to take on the entirety of team Natsu, she always knew he was stronger than her. It's why she wanted Natsu and Gray to join her in fighting him.
Hey Fire DS and DeS don't give her a boost.

It's just fire and ice element :derp
 

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She did DSeal herself so it is her magic. Erza never borrowed magic in that fight. Wendy was never stated to enchant anything to Erza before or in the fight. Erza had zero power ups and zero external amps therefore everything she used was of her own power. Laxus did better against Hades than an exhausted Team Natsu. Two members were shown to almost fall out and had to carry each other to the ship lol. Jura thing was with Mira and Tenrou Erza since Erza hasn't released SO. Erza came around and had better feats than Jura with the Kyouka fight.

Laxus only defeated one S12...and that was only bcs that S12 went retarded. Elfman now has feats of punching harder than FDK Demo-fist that means Ajeel got hit consecutively with FDK level hits from Elf and Elf had immunity to sand. Ajeel is actually pretty damn powerful now that we know how powerful Elf is. We also know Ajeel didn't resort to SW as it would've covered the battlefield like Invel's blizzard. Laxus failed to beat Kiria in one hit so he wasn't beating Ajeel in one hit especially a casual hit. He also stated only RL could be enough to put down Erza.... That would suggest Alvarez Erza > Alvarez Laxus as RL was an asspull in Alvarez.

Her hax failed bcs he had a weak heart, it had nothing to do with PL. Otherwise Kiria hax wouldn't work on Erza. Hax disregards PL unless stated so as there is overwhelming evidence in the manga as well as statements from the author that says hax bust PLs.


She was hyped his strength several times whilst also downplayed his strength several times. Seemed OOC as well as contradicting.


The thing is Erza could have just thought she herself was above Laxus. But, let's not have her hype him up just to downplay him two seconds later since it makes her look stupid. It made no sense to do that. His hype was being showned by his feats alone. She doesn't need to say all this stuff of needing Natsu or Gray or keep commenting on his power when she was literally fighting on par with him. She even held back until the end of the fight... like what? Lol.
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Laxus and Erza are equals through and through and that was shown in their 1v1. Both fighters admitted to losing, the audience (Kiria) admitted to them taking each other out, and the author confirmed it as a double k.o. in the latest chapter cover (Chapter 46).
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Blumenblatt was shown to be equal to Mercury Fulminate as both attacks did damage to the other when they clashed off. The tower busted from the combined power of both attacks. You can see the slashed marks from the busted tower as well as slash marks from the attack hitting Laxus.
You fckn traitor
If Heavens Wheel matched Mercury Fulminate Erza wouldn't have been the one to fall to her knees. Laxus won the exchange.
Didn't Blum-whatever its name is knocked Acno from the sky???




Hey Fire DS and DeS don't give her a boost.

It's just fire and ice element :derp
Yeah but lets face it, Acno's a jobber. Still, in Heavens Wheel she can fire everything including the kitchen sink, for all we know she shot Nakagami's spear at Laxus along with her various boob plates too. She don't even need to be in good condition to do it

It's funny, because if that's true and they aren't outside power ups she has to set up prior, then she's a better slayer than either Natsu or Gray, cause she's good for Dragons and Demons.
 

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Bro I am going to have to take a small hiatus for now due to work stuff mang

But don't worry I will be back whenever Laxus is back in the story.

I'll give my final take

Laxus used a portion of his power and stamina against Kyria and that fraction of reserve would have been present if he didn't gauntlet her before Erza so FACT he would have had more left in the tank if he was fighting at 100% like her. Also there have been an incredible number of fights in Fairy Tail where the winner was the last man standing even if that fighter went down afterwards, and this was Laxus. He outlasted her and then went down. FACT if Hiro wanted to portray them as TRUE equals he would have had them go down at the same time, not have one stand tall while the other prostates herself before him and gushes over his power.

Hiro wanted to display who is stronger but also have his favorite save face. Pleases everyone.

But I will say that even if she is weaker, she is now in the same tier as Laxus whereas before he was a tier above her. She has closed the gap but her comments about being happy that there has to be someone as strong as team Natsu at home to protect the guild implies that the gap will NEVER close fully. Laxus will always have to grow with team Natsu in order to be able to be strong enough to protect the guild.

Finally, I don't see the issue with Erza being shocked at Laxus's strength. She was there in the fight against Hades and was shocked at how incredibly powerful Laxus was hanging with him while she got ragdolled with team Natsu. She was also shocked how his lightning strike destroyed Ajeel's sands in one go.

However, since then Erza has grown much stronger. She fought Ajeel after, then Neinheart, and then Irene. She is now much stronger than she ever was then in Alvarez and she likely didn't think that Laxus's rate of growth could keep up even if he was stronger than her before. She wasn't quite sure which is why she would have liked to have Natsu or Gray with her, but Laxus dominating her for most of that fight proved to her that he is much stronger than before and can continue to grow stronger and thus is best served to protect the guild.
 

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@Jean Grey

Bro I am going to have to take a small hiatus for now due to work stuff mang

But don't worry I will be back whenever Laxus is back in the story.

I'll give my final take

Laxus used a portion of his power and stamina against Kyria and that fraction of reserve would have been present if he didn't gauntlet her before Erza so FACT he would have had more left in the tank if he was fighting at 100% like her. Also there have been an incredible number of fights in Fairy Tail where the winner was the last man standing even if that fighter went down afterwards, and this was Laxus. He outlasted her and then went down. FACT if Hiro wanted to portray them as TRUE equals he would have had them go down at the same time, not have one stand tall while the other prostates herself before him and gushes over his power.

Hiro wanted to display who is stronger but also have his favorite save face. Pleases everyone.

But I will say that even if she is weaker, she is now in the same tier as Laxus whereas before he was a tier above her. She has closed the gap but her comments about being happy that there has to be someone as strong as team Natsu at home to protect the guild implies that the gap will NEVER close fully. Laxus will always have to grow with team Natsu in order to be able to be strong enough to protect the guild.

Finally, I don't see the issue with Erza being shocked at Laxus's strength. She was there in the fight against Hades and was shocked at how incredibly powerful Laxus was hanging with him while she got ragdolled with team Natsu. She was also shocked how his lightning strike destroyed Ajeel's sands in one go.

However, since then Erza has grown much stronger. She fought Ajeel after, then Neinheart, and then Irene. She is now much stronger than she ever was then in Alvarez and she likely didn't think that Laxus's rate of growth could keep up even if he was stronger than her before. She wasn't quite sure which is why she would have liked to have Natsu or Gray with her, but Laxus dominating her for most of that fight proved to her that he is much stronger than before and can continue to grow stronger and thus is best served to protect the guild.
no problem fam :super

we will defend Laxus' honor but there are a lot adversaries here but we will keep trying, don't worry :verily
 

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He outlasted her and then went down. FACT if Hiro wanted to portray them as TRUE equals he would have had them go down at the same time, not have one stand tall while the other prostates herself before him and gushes over his power.

Hiro wanted to display who is stronger but also have his favorite save face. Pleases everyone.
Basically THIS!

It's just for Hiro's peace of mind, he has to save face of his babygirl.

If he wanted them to be true equals, he would've had:
- Erza fight Laxus before he had to deal with Kiria
- not Erza get buffed by Natsu/Gray powers and dragon seal - both of which are externals. He could've instead buffed her up with some new shit pulled out of her ass, that's HER'S alone
- and the one you mentioned. Go down simultaneously
 
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