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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Collab poster by Kishimoto
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I mean, he literally has a character with iron (tetsu) power, whose name is "Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu" using four different Kanji that can somehow be read as "tetsu". So, in actuality, he is brilliant :cheez
Imagine a character literally named Steelsteel Steelsteel, if I get that correctly. Yeah, Hori’s names are quite something. xD

Despite Kimetsu mega-masive records, I'd say the Jump main 10s mangas would be My Hero Academia. The other contender would be Haikyuu but Hero Academia has had so far:
-4 anime seasons.
-3 manga spinoffs.
-2 movies.
-2 videogames (or 3? I recall a Android game)
-Light novels
-Tons and tons and tons of merchandising

Haikyuu has more total sales but with the advantage of being 2 years older. And you can notice that Hero Academia has inspired a lot of mangakas from the new generation (Haikyuu is more limited because the spokon niche).

Assassination Classroom was big but its popularity "ended" in 2015. Kimetsu is collosal, but only in last year of the decade. Hero Academia has been influential for almost all the decade.

I'd say Hero Academia has managed to be for Jump in 10s what One Piece and Naruto were for 00s, Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho (and maybe Kenshin) for 90s, or Dragon Ball again, Saint Seiya, and Hokuto no Ken for 80s
Yeah, while Kimetsu is a phenomenon in Japan, it’s still only so in Japan. Now, it’s only just broken into the mainstream worldwide, and I think Kimetsu can reach HeroAca’s worldwide presence soon, but it needs to continue being talked about like HeroAca has with its seasonal anime structure. It’s my biggest problem with adapting the next arc as a movie, cause it might leave people out of future adaptations if they haven’t watched the movie.
 

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I mean, he literally has a character with iron (tetsu) power, whose name is "Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu" using four different Kanji that can somehow be read as "tetsu". So, in actuality, he is brilliant :cheez
Pretty much this. How can anyone who knows that the author names one of his freaking character ironironironiron with 4 different kanji accuse him of lying about this being an honest mistake

The accusations some people spout are absolutely insane (“Horikoshi is an apologist for Japanese empire’s war crimes!”) that it’s very apparent that some of these people either don’t follow the manga and just jump in because “muh japanese bad”

Again, I think I need to put out in text that what the japanese govt does to deny/cover the atrocities they have done in the past is wrong because apparently if you defend the author you’re defending said behavior (???). Insane argument driven by kneejerk reaction with zero logic.

but accusing a manga author to be as bad as their government makes absolutely no sense as an argument, especially if one knows the trend displayed by said author (ridiculous wordplay, swapping kanji character for similar sounding words) and the environment he grew up in (pretty much governmental cover up of the dark spots in their past)
 
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Imagine a character literally named Steelsteel Steelsteel, if I get that correctly. Yeah, Hori’s names are quite something. xD



Yeah, while Kimetsu is a phenomenon in Japan, it’s still only so in Japan. Now, it’s only just broken into the mainstream worldwide, and I think Kimetsu can reach HeroAca’s worldwide presence soon, but it needs to continue being talked about like HeroAca has with its seasonal anime structure. It’s my biggest problem with adapting the next arc as a movie, cause it might leave people out of future adaptations if they haven’t watched the movie.
I want to believe that the movie will be split into 3 or 4 episodes and then add it to the 2nd season.
 

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志賀丸太(Shiga Maruta) in the correct context means "A round and fat man who wishes people's good future. Its matching "two-faced" evil scientist which in turn matches the kana in Maruta’s name backward you get “taruma” (タルマ) “ta” and “da” have similar phonetic symbols in the Japanese language so when changed you get “Daruma” (ダルマ) his pseudonymous first name and a daruma is an object of adepicting a bearded man that is known for giving good luck.

It was never intended to be in reference to that incident on top of the fact that it doesn't make sense or even fits with how Hori names his character.

This can easily be disproved because no character in MHA has a direct meaning like 志賀丸太(Shiga Maruta)or else you're going to end up stuff like "Green Valley" they tend to make sense upon broken up individually which adds a another layer as a synopsis of the character.
志賀丸太(Shiga Maruta)according to you is a direct reference to Unit 731's victims but it doesn't say anything about the character in question all we have to go by is story details but when Hori gives his characters names he makes sure that you're able to get them automatically without story details (Midoriya Izuku literally means 9th user).
Again, irrespective of how Hori names his characters or how the japanese word of the name itself was supposed to mean, the translations of this word means something else.
What probably should've happened (even just for the sake of give a background info on why Hori chose the name for the character) was the translators should've explained the meaning behind the naming below the panel or in a side note or something.

Casual fans wouldn't really dive deep into such stuff and need to be spoon fed. I get what you're saying about the name but you can't just ignore the fact that a lot of fans need to be spoon fed especially when the demographic being aimed for are children and teens.

When you have to resort to death threats over a misconception of a character in s children's comic book then yeah it's an overreaction no matter how you slice it.
Death threats are an overreaction, definitely. EA, Bethesda developers, Respawn developers, music artists who change their style of music, sports players who change club teams, actors, actresses everyone receives death treats and they are always an overreaction and unfortunate.
Kubo got death threats over the choice of pairing at the end of Bleach. Fandoms are insane. Always have been.

That being said, just because some fans chose to resort to such stupid means does not mean the actual criticism in itself (in a controlled and mature manner) isn't required either.

Of course it does. Neither China or Korea look good in this situation since China is well known for cancelling anything that the government doesn't deem ethical to their standards like Winnie the Pooh and the outrage came about because Korea pirated the chapter.
I'm not gonna deny that China has issues when it comes to censorship or anything. That's a different story altogether.

It's already been shown that the manga market share in Japan is much smaller than America and France and two of Jump's biggest titles, Assassination Classroom and Death Note were banned in China the latter of which is still going strong for over 15 years.
China isn't a big market right now. But people have provided data before on this forum that shows how much anime and manga consumption has grown in China over the last 5 years alone.

28% of China's population are aged between 0-24. While that's not a big percentage, when you account for the actual number which is 323million people that falls into this demographic, it becomes an unprecedented POTENTIAL market.

Shueisha or any industry would be stupid to not take advantage of that size of a market.

This kind of logic is the reason why manga licensing got such a bad rep from the 80s to early 00s and how creators outright refused to have their works published in America because they were afraid that they would have ruined the author's intent.
It's not an ideal world where every country has freedoms like the West or Europe.

Respecting and following each country's / region's demands and policies is something that is happening in every industry around the world. This isn't something new.
If the manga industry wants to expand there, its a simple fact that they need to follow and censor as required.

@ChocoBar9

Reading your explanation makes me think of two things.

1. Horikoshi is kinda lazy with his naming conventions.

2. I really, REALLY miss Kubo's character names. They were always batshit insane.
How about his special move's names?

Beautiful Charlotte Chuhlhourne's Miracle Sweet Ultra Funky Fantastic Dramatic Romantic Sadistic Erotic Exotic Athletic Guillotine Attack
 

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China isn't a big market right now. But people have provided data before on this forum that shows how much anime and manga consumption has grown in China over the last 5 years alone.

28% of China's population are aged between 0-24. While that's not a big percentage, when you account for the actual number which is 323million people that falls into this demographic, it becomes an unprecedented POTENTIAL market.

Shueisha or any industry would be stupid to not take advantage of that size of a market.
Oh wow, holy shit. No wonder every company’s tripping over their heels trying to appeal to the Chinese audience. That’s about as many people as the entire United States population - the third largest country in the world. No wonder Tencent is such a massive company in the world of entertainment...
 

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Oh wow, holy shit. No wonder every company’s tripping over their heels trying to appeal to the Chinese audience. That’s about as many people as the entire United States population - the third largest country in the world. No wonder Tencent is such a massive company in the world of entertainment...
Yep yep. China is a huge market for any industry but it's also a tricky market. I can see it becoming the biggest market (even more than Japan) for manga and anime in the next 20 years if companies play their cards right.
 

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Yozakura anime when???
 

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Can I just say how weird it is that both Poro and Yozakura managed to have all right sales in spite of mediocre critical reception?

Like, is there just something about Gondaira's style which appeals to a very small and specific audience I don't know exists?
 
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New poll is up.
 

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Voted no since I don't read Yuuna/Bokuben (nisekoi burned me on wsj romcoms ngl lol) and I haven't picked back up BC yet
 

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I read almost everything but OP, WNL, Stone and Yuuna (and HxH lol)
 

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I'm currently reading 3, KnY, Bnha and BC. From the newbies only AG but I'll wait it gets more chapters. Tpn is on hold.
 

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I read everything from Yuuna onwards.., except maybe Dr. Stone. Though I've been following HxH longer than any of those series. And yes, the hiatus is killing me.
 

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I currently read zero series in WSJ aside from the two chapters of Mashle I read. I do hope it sticks around. The potential it has as a gag series in a wizarding world is endless.
 

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I don't read Yuuna and Bokuben. I started reading Haikyuu last December, and I'm currently at chapter 217, hoping that I catch up before the series end.
 

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Read all except for black clover kimetsu haikyuu juju
 

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I got caught up a little after mangaplus started being a thing because I liked the idea of following the entire magazine on simulpub, so I started reading everything and I still try out every new series. But I've dropped a few things since then and gave up on reading everything. I dropped Samurai 8, Jujutsu (might come back), Yozakura, Zipman and Agravity. The plan is to give every newbie around a volume before i decide if I want to keep reading or not.
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Btw, it might be a little redundant, but maybe it would be interesting to ask afterwards how many series each of us is reading?
 

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Reading: My Hero Academia, We Never Learn, Yuuna and the Haunted Springs, ZIPMAN!, Agravity Boys, Undead Unluck, Mashle, Guardian of the Witch
Watching: Kimetsu no Yaiba, The Promised Neverland, Black Clover, Hunter x Hunter (2011), Dr. Stone*, One Piece (pre-timeskip)
Currently not Reading But Plan To Read: Chainsaw Man, Act-Age, Samurai 8, Mission: Yozakura Family, Miitama Security, Jujutsu Kaisen, One Piece (post-timeskip)
Currently not Watching But Plan To Watch: Haikyuu!

*Apart from Dr. Stone, I'm going anime-only in the Watching section.
 
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