Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[atlantisreturns]

Finally my boy Jacob is getting his deserved attention.

 

[One4All]

We can say that Jacob's blade could cut off Lucy's head,per Jacob and Natsu's statements,if not for Natsu's interference. By hype,it's deadly,but by feat,it's completely featless.

With Kyria,she did a roar that knocked out slaved Erza,Wendy,Lucy and human Merc. By hype,her blade roar(a basic Dragon Slayer attack) is deadly,and by feat,it knocked out more than 3 people.

Was Kyria underestimated here because she failed to kill any of the protagonists,only knocked them up,and was defeated by Laxus' roaring thunder? While Jacob is supposedly stronger than Kyria because he said that his blade could cut-off Lucy's head though it didn't happen,failed to knock out any character,and defeated by FDK? Or maybe because Jacob's fight got almost 3 full chapters while Kyria got a few number of panels in her fight against Laxus(and mostly off paneled) and got oneshotted by a strong attack from a strong character?

If you really weigh their feats and their offenses(not counting the panels),Kyria is clearly superior than Jacob. I dislike Kyria for Miraxus reasons(lol) but I can clearly see her strength through this haze of dislike.

 

[Verter]

We can say that Jacob's blade could cut off Lucy's head,per Jacob and Natsu's statements,if not for Natsu's interference. By hype,it's deadly,but by feat,it's completely featless.

With Kyria,she did a roar that knocked out slaved Erza,Wendy,Lucy and human Merc. By hype,her blade roar(a basic Dragon Slayer attack) is deadly,and by feat,it knocked out more than 3 people.

Was Kyria underestimated here because she failed to kill any of the protagonists,only knocked them up,and was defeated by Laxus' roaring thunder? While Jacob is supposedly stronger than Kyria because he said that his blade could cut-off Lucy's head though it didn't happen,failed to knock out any character,and defeated by FDK? Or maybe because Jacob's fight got almost 3 full chapters while Kyria got a few number of panels in her fight against Laxus(and mostly off paneled) and got oneshotted by a strong attack from a strong character?

If you really weigh their feats and their offenses(not counting the panels),Kyria is clearly superior than Jacob. I dislike Kyria for Miraxus reasons(lol) but I can clearly see her strength through this haze of dislike.

Her strength is dealing zero damage (even without any scratch) on naked Jellal with her roar

Weakest roar in entire manga, if be true.

 

[Vis]

Her strength is dealing zero damage (even without any scratch) on naked Jellal with her roar

Weakest roar in entire manga, if be true.

It dealt zero damage to Jellal and Laxus. It knocked out Lucy and Wendy, and at the very least, left Erza with some cuts.
Just because it didn't work against one character doesn't mean all its previous feats get erased.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Her strength is dealing zero damage (even without any scratch) on naked Jellal with her roar

Or Jellal is nowhere near as frail as people want him to be?

Jellal not being durable has literally only been a thing since his fight against Neinhart, prior to that the dude was still decent from a durability POV.

Weakest roar in entire manga, if be true.

LMFAO

Sting, Rogue, Wendy and Cobra (potentially Gajeel too) have weaker Roars.

 

[Demon Hunter]

says couldn't damage Jellal but considers Jacob strong even though he did zero damage in his entire manga appearance

 

[Verter]

It dealt zero damage to Jellal. It knocked out Lucy and Wendy, and at the very least, left Erza with some cuts.
Just because it didn't work against one character doesn't mean all its previous feats get erased.

Lucy and Wendy are knocked down almost by everyone

By the way, to say about Wendy is irrelevant in first place, because she covering Erza herself.
Say about Erza also irrelevant, because that "cut strength" BS.
When Kyria used again her roar there're 3 on line of her attack (Laxus, Jellal... and Erza). Anyone got any scratch.

 

[Vis]

Lucy and Wendy are knocked down almost by everyone

But not Jacob, right? Lucy gets knocked down and out by almost everyone, but not Jacob, right? Doesn't that answer this thread for you?

By the way, to say about Wendy is irrelevant in first place, because she covering Erza herself.

Doesn't that make the feat better? That it cut Erza?

Say about Erza also irrelevant, because that "cut strength" BS.

That just put her under hypnosis, that didn't make her skin more susceptible to damage.

When Kyria used again her roar there're 3 on line of her attack (Laxus, Jellal... and Erza). Anyone got any scratch.

These are stronger characters than the ones she used it against before. Also Erza wasn't shown to have been hit by the attack.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Kiria also cut Natsu and Erza and her roar against Laxus didn't hit Erza.

 

[WoWfan]

It dealt zero damage to Jellal and Laxus. It knocked out Lucy and Wendy, and at the very least, left Erza with some cuts.
Just because it didn't work against one character doesn't mean all its previous feats get erased.

It is all about transitive property, if Kyria could not cut off limbs, and Jacob could, then one has the better force.

 

[Verter]

Sting, Rogue, Wendy and Cobra (potentially Gajeel too) have weaker Roars.

Weak roars ?

Someone said here Mashima supervised anime and anime is canon

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But not Jacob, right? Lucy gets knocked down and out by almost everyone, but not Jacob, right? Doesn't that answer this thread for you?

Maybe because Natsu, no ?

Dragon eaters and Dragon Gods did not knock down Happy too, y'know.

So Happy so strong and durable?

That just put her under hypnosis, that didn't make her skin more susceptible to damage.

It makes. Off-guard and be prepare is different things.

 

[Ebony Maw]

This'll be my last response for a while, sorry I've got IRL stuff to do.

Weak roars ?

Someone said here Mashima supervised anime and anime is canon

Not sure how that counters my point in the slightest.

AoE is not equivalent to power and we can't gauge their power because Acno is outright immune to Magic.

 

[Demon Hunter]

holy shit what am I reading here

 

[WoWfan]

This'll be my last response for a while, sorry I've got IRL stuff to do.

Not sure how that counters my point in the slightest.

AoE is not equivalent to power and we can't gauge their power because Acno is outright immune to Magic.

We can gauge the power via scaling, and he scales at best between the Phoenix and Etherion which is Multi-Continent level or higher.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Tbf now that I seriously think about it , Jacob actually has a chance of winning. ( Sorry @Axiomus @Ebony Maw @Jean Grey @Seven777 )

After I read the chapter again , Jacob's knife actually stabbed through Natsu's hand.
https://z-img-04.mangapark.org/imag...b1e15edf11d54d85b490e7303_195774_869_1277.jpg

If it can stab through Natsu's skin , I'm sure it can stab through Kyria's heart too.

All he has to do is go invisible and stab her. But if she detects him he's done though.

 

[Vis]

It is all about transitive property, if Kyria could not but off limbs, and Jacob could, then one has the better force.

But if Jacob had only enough strength to leave Lucy with superficial damage, then doesn't that mean literally everyone in the series who would be able to do the same would be able to do the same if they were carrying their own knife?

Even if I were to just nod my head, it doesn't change the fact that Kyria could literally do the same superficial damage to Erza, wouldn't this put her way ahead of Jacob's strength level, and therefore, be able to do the same?

Maybe because Natsu, no ?

Natsu only melted the knife, Jacob had a good amount of time to even leave Lucy incapacitated, but he couldn't. Only means he needed the knife to even deal the slightest damage.

Even if I were to agree that Jacob could've killed Lucy with that knife, doesn't that mean anyone who's on Jacob's strength level (level of dealing nothing but superficial damage to Lucy tiers), would also be able to if you were to give them a knife? How does this allow him to beat Kyria, who can literally match Erza's swords barehanded?

Dragon eaters and Dragon Gods did not knock down Happy too, y'know.
So Happy so strong and durable?

Was anyone actively attacking Happy? He only really got caught by the shockwave from the roar. I don't see your point here though. Are you trying to say the roar is too weak that it did not knock out Happy but knocked out...Lucy?

It makes. Off-guard and be prepare is different things.

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you trying to say that she was more susceptible to damage somehow because she was not prepared or caught off guard? Even with Wendy already defending her from the roar with her body?

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Tbf now that I seriously think about it , Jacob actually has a chance of winning. ( Sorry @Axiomus @Ebony Maw @Jean Grey @Seven777 )

After I read the chapter again , Jacob's knife actually stabbed through Natsu's hand.
https://z-img-04.mangapark.org/imag...b1e15edf11d54d85b490e7303_195774_869_1277.jpg

If it can stab through Natsu's skin , I'm sure it can stab through Kyria's heart too.

All he has to do is go invisible and stab her.

It melted. It didn't go through his arm. You can see in later scans that Natsu barely has a scratch on that arm, not a cut.

 

[atlantisreturns]

It melted. It didn't go through his arm. You can see in later scans that Natsu barely has a scratch on that arm, not a cut.

Isn't what's shown dripping in that scan Natsu's blood ?

May be Natsu melted it before it could penetrate his whole arm ?

But actually it still managed to penetrate his skin , he couldn't no sell it , which means it can penetrate Kyria too. It might be a magic enchanted knife.

 

[WoWfan]

vis, all look at it this way, in the beginning of the series, Natsu already has some resistance to bladed attacks, however, he did not use his powers to melt to blade, yet with Jacob, he did, so it is something stronger than his resistance to bladed attacks.

even then, Erza was given More damage by Ajeel who is suppose to be much weaker than the rest of the Spriggans, so Jacob would be at a higher level

atlan, it did not penetrate his skin, it melted on contact.

 

[Vis]

Isn't what's shown dripping in that scan Natsu's blood ?

May be Natsu melted it before it could penetrate his whole arm ?

But actually it still managed to penetrate his skin , he couldn't no sell it , which means it can penetrate Kyria too. It might be a magic enchanted knife.

The melted metal was what was dripping. Natsu melting things is just something he does, I pertain it to his personality rather than the situation in the battle. It was also not shown to have pierced him in the slightest. Not the slightest hint of a cut in any of the following scans.

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vis, all look at it this way, in the beginning of the series, Natsu already has some resistance to bladed attacks, however, he did not use his powers to melt to blade, yet with Jacob, he did, so it is something stronger than his resistance to bladed attacks.

Natsu literally melted Taurus' axe on the third chapter of the series.

even then, Erza was given More damage by Ajeel who is suppose to be much weaker than the rest of the Spriggans, so Jacob would be at a higher level

Jacob failed to do any significant damage to Lucy, Ajeel actually managed to hold Erza helpless at one point. Unless you're arguing that Lucy is superior to Erza now, then this is irrelevant.

 

[atlantisreturns]

The melted metal was what was dripping. Natsu melting things is just something he does, I pertain it to his personality rather than the situation in the battle. It was also not shown to have pierced him in the slightest. Not the slightest hint of a cut in any of the following scans.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/478/5

Look below Natsu's elbow , I can see a cut there.