Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Aeneas]

Katayama: Jujutsu Kaisen and Yozakura Family, formerly an editor of Black Clover, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Takuan no Batsu and Golem Hearts
Taguchi: Samurai 8, formerly an editor of Gokutei Higuma
Iwasaki: Black Clover

Moji: Hunter x Hunter, formerly an editor of Ne0lation, Demon's Plan, Noah's Notes, Mononofu
Naito: One Piece (media charge), formerly an editor of Tanaka Seiji, Bozebeats and Saiyuki
Asai: Kimetsu no Yaiba

Ikeda: None
Yoritomi: My Hero Academia
Minamimura: ZIPMAN
Fukuda: Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san

Murakoshi: Act-Age and Jimoto ga Japan, formerly an editor of AssClass, Samon-kun wa Summoner, Full Drive, Ore Golazo, Tokyo Shinobi Squad and Kamio Yui
Sugita: The Promised Neverland and Agravity Boys, formerly an editor of Kurokuroku, U19 and David-kun
Azuma: Haikyuu

Honda: Dr. Stone, formerly an editor of Haikyuu and Best Blue
Takano: One Piece (original charge), formerly an editor of Alice to Taiyou
Ishikawa: We Never Learn

Hayashi (should be Shihei?): Chainsaw Man (also Spy x Family, Dricam, Heart Gear, Moon Land), formerly and editor of Fire Punch and Jigokuraku
Tamada: Mitama Security (also Dear Sa-chan, Koi Goku no Toshi, Shouwa Otome Otogibanashi among others)

Another update:

Apparently Agravity has been moved from Sugita to someone else.

And they added when each joined.

Spoiler

Katayama: 2010
Taguchi: 2016
Tode (no series at the moment): 2017
Iwasaki: 2019

Moji: 2009
Naito: 2013
Asai: 2018

Ikeda: 2011
Yoritomi: 2015
Minamimura: 2017
Fukuda: 2019

Murakoshi: 2011
Sugita: 2012
Azuma: 2018

Honda: 2007
Takano: 2016
Ishikawa: 2018

Hayashi: 2006

Tamada: 2009

 

[Halloween]

New poll (for this topic) is up.

And to clarify, by seasonal I mean the opposite of what One Piece and Black Clover are doing.

 

[4Eyes]

MANGAHELPERS POLL ISSUE #10 (2020) - VOTING RESULTS

1. Mitama Secureity 22 - 24 Votes
2. Guardian of the Witch 1 (New Series) - 19 Votes
3. Act-Age 99 - 17 Votes
4. My Hero Academia 259 - 16 Votes
5. Mashle 2 - 16 Votes
6. One Piece 970 - 15 Votes
7. Dr. Stone 137 - 14 Votes
8. Haikyuu!! 382 - 13 Votes
9. Chainsaw Man 56 - 13 Votes
10. Kimetsu no Yaiba 193 - 12 Votes
11. We Never Learn 145 - 10 Votes
12. Jujutsu Kaisen 93 - 10 Votes
13. Samurai 8: The Tale of Hachimaru 36 - 9 Votes
14. Undead Unluck 3 - 8 Votes
15. Black Clover 238 - 7 Votes
16. Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san 193 - 7 Votes
17. Mission: Yozakura Family 22 - 7 Votes
18. Agravity Boys 7 - 7 Votes
19. ZIPMAN!! 8 - 2 Votes

Notes:

-54 Voters (23 excluded)
-The Promised Neverland was absent
-Tied mangas decided by which is older

​

Mitama had an stellar chapter, so when you said we would be surprised, I kinda figured it could be first place. GoW and Mashle did well too.
Black Clover is bottom again... It's a really weird case, since it's frequently near-bottoming here and in the official TOC, but it's still treated as a huge franchise. Maybe the anime watchers are not very interested in the source material?

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

WSJ (and literally everything) have been sticking with seasonal anime since early 10s. Dunno what happened then, maybe economical crisis or whatever, but 2008-2012 was the big change of manga to anime airing conception. Gintama is a clear example since it was a long serialization in 00s (200 episodes) and then changed to modern "anime per 25 episodes seasons".

Tradionally everything was in long serializations (Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Yu Yu Hakusho, Kenshin, Yu-Gi-Oh, One Piece, HunterxHunter, The Prince of Tennis, Hikaru no Go, Shaman King, Naruto, Bobobo...

Let's get near of the key years. Before 2010 we had still the lon serialization format: Bleach in 2004,Eyeshield 21 in 2005, Gintama, Death Note, and D.Gray-man and Reborn in 2006. The exceptions were the adaptations which never got season 2 (Ichigo 100% and Black Cat in 2005, Neuro in 2007). Is important to notice how 2007 literally only had Neuro (and Naruto Shippuuden).

I'd say the first anime which changed to modern format was To Love-Ru, with season 1 in 2008 and season 2 in 2010. Then 2009 Jump anime was... Dragon Ball Kai, which was long serialization since Dragon Ball.

And we enter to the 10s decade. Nurarihyon no Mago was like Black Cat or Neuro, but the other Jump anime, Bakuman, had actually two seasons in fall 2010 and fall 2011. Then in 2011 would be the last year of the old long serialization (all 2011 Jump adaptations: Beelzebub, Toriko, Sket Dance, and HxH 2011 were long serializations with with more than 2 curs, with Sket Dance being 45 consecutive episodes, Beelzebub 60, and Toriko +120).

Then situation changed in 2012. Medaka Box was two seasons (more like 1 season with one break cur in summer). Kuroko no Basket was serializated in seasons. And JoJo too. 2013 only Jump anime was Hana no Keiji anime adaptation (1990 manga by Tetsuo Hara) which had a single cur of 25 episodes, but then in 2014 you see Nisekoi, Haikyuu and World Trigger divided in seasons. And then Assassination Classroom, Shokugeki, Hero Academia...

The only exception since 2012 so far has been Black Clover. And you can see how badly it has affected (to the point that Black Clover is literally the only anime adaptation in last 5 years with no nendoroids in last WonFes).

 

[4Eyes]

WSJ (and literally everything) have been sticking with seasonal anime since early 10s. Dunno what happened then, maybe economical crisis or whatever, but 2008-2012 was the big change of manga to anime airing conception. Gintama is a clear example since it was a long serialization in 00s (200 episodes) and then changed to modern "anime per 25 episodes seasons".

Tradionally everything was in long serializations (Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Yu Yu Hakusho, Kenshin, Yu-Gi-Oh, One Piece, HunterxHunter, The Prince of Tennis, Hikaru no Go, Shaman King, Naruto, Bobobo...

Let's get near of the key years. Before 2010 we had still the lon serialization format: Bleach in 2004,Eyeshield 21 in 2005, Gintama, Death Note, and D.Gray-man and Reborn in 2006. The exceptions were the adaptations which never got season 2 (Ichigo 100% and Black Cat in 2005, Neuro in 2007). Is important to notice how 2007 literally only had Neuro (and Naruto Shippuuden).

I'd say the first anime which changed to modern format was To Love-Ru, with season 1 in 2008 and season 2 in 2010. Then 2009 Jump anime was... Dragon Ball Kai, which was long serialization since Dragon Ball.

And we enter to the 10s decade. Nurarihyon no Mago was like Black Cat or Neuro, but the other Jump anime, Bakuman, had actually two seasons in fall 2010 and fall 2011. Then in 2011 would be the last year of the old long serialization (all 2011 Jump adaptations: Beelzebub, Toriko, Sket Dance, and HxH 2011 were long serializations with with more than 2 curs, with Sket Dance being 45 consecutive episodes, Beelzebub 60, and Toriko +120).

Then situation changed in 2012. Medaka Box was two seasons (more like 1 season with one break cur in summer). Kuroko no Basket was serializated in seasons. And JoJo too. 2013 only Jump anime was Hana no Keiji anime adaptation (1990 manga by Tetsuo Hara) which had a single cur of 25 episodes, but then in 2014 you see Nisekoi, Haikyuu and World Trigger divided in seasons. And then Assassination Classroom, Shokugeki, Hero Academia...

The only exception since 2012 so far has been Black Clover. And you can see how badly it has affected (to the point that Black Clover is literally the only anime adaptation in last 5 years with no nendoroids in last WonFes).

Nice summarization, I'll just add the info that World Trigger wasn't seasonal. It had 70+ episodes without large breaks.

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

I would like to add that while saying seasonals seems like an easy answer, other factors are going to determine the actual quality like if the staff/studio are actually interested and doing their best, production schedules among other things. Seeing the comments on Seven Deadly Sins (I know it isn't WSJ, just a seasonal shonen show) with people saying that stickmen fights and fan animation is better than it shows that it is very possible to mess up even with the seasonal approach if not done well.

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

Does that mean Agravity Boys is technically the most ecchi new manga in the past 3 years?

It's got a decent amount of manservice moments so far, and I don't remember any of the manga since WNL leaning much in that direction. I suppose they haven't needed it due to Yuuna every week an sometimes WNL but still.

Imagine if Agravity Boys became an ecchi pillar for Jump once Yuuna ends..

Spoiler

 

[Tarot]

Is it just me or is SpyxFamily's serious plot boring and tonally jarring at times? I just caught up and I wish the author ditched it because I think the strength of the series lies in the slice of life and comedy chapters involving Anya. Sometimes it feels like I'm reading two different series.

 

[Thundercat27]

Well, tought luck. I freaking love the serious part of SxF. Without the heavy moments, the fluff would never feel as good as it is right now.

 

[Ryuusei]

Issue 13 is coming out early on Friday, February 21st (Saturday, February 22nd in Japan) since it's the Emperor's Birthday observed on the 24th. Also, confirmed by the release date of BC's next chapter since it's on break on issue 12.

 

[Newkerzy]

Guardian of the Witch had a standard chapter again. It's chapter 3 that's going to make or break the series. The overall trend for Jump nowadays are the characters. If a series' characters don't make an immediate impression, that's going to cripple them. Hopefully, chapter 3 onwards will introduce new characters that leave a good impression on the readers.

 

[Jorden Rivera]

Is it just me or is SpyxFamily's serious plot boring and tonally jarring at times? I just caught up and I wish the author ditched it because I think the strength of the series lies in the slice of life and comedy chapters involving Anya. Sometimes it feels like I'm reading two different series.

Really? I have the exact opposite opinion. I love that we’re balancing comedy with serious stuff.

 

[WyldViolet]

Is it just me or is SpyxFamily's serious plot boring and tonally jarring at times? I just caught up and I wish the author ditched it because I think the strength of the series lies in the slice of life and comedy chapters involving Anya. Sometimes it feels like I'm reading two different series.

Have you read Beelzebub? It's in the same vein. Only replace demons with spies.

 

[James Rye]

Is it just me or is SpyxFamily's serious plot boring and tonally jarring at times? I just caught up and I wish the author ditched it because I think the strength of the series lies in the slice of life and comedy chapters involving Anya. Sometimes it feels like I'm reading two different series.

Actually, isn't it good that it is "jarring"? As to show how much the real jobs of Twilight and Yor threatens their happily little fake family they got going. I do like the family chapters the most though, followed closely by Anya's school shenanigans and then ofc the whole Spy/Hitwoman thing of Twilight and Yor. It's all good and fun to me.

 

[OniluapL]

I'm in the middle regarding Spy Family seriousness, I think. The fact that it has a plot and a well-constructed setting that the series actually takes seriously is one of its greatest strenghts, for me. It would be a way worse series if it was pure comedy. There's so much more to gain from it thematically and dramatically-wise the way it is.

However, this chapter didn't actually work for me besides Anya being Anya. When she left the picture, I thought the series wasn't as great at showcasing spy action as it is in showing the slice-of-life moments. (which isn't even just the comedy, there's a lot of the series that is dedicated to show how they live in a society fueled by paranoia and a complicated political setting that are very interesting as well)

 

[Serinox]

Continuing to enjoy Mashle. GotW with even more AoT vibes with that flight over the walls, especially the two page spread. Still not really feeling it with that manga though.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

My Jump top-3 this week would be Chainsawman, Dr.Stone, and We Never Learn. Power is the true queen of Shonen Jump.

 

[OniluapL]

GotW was decent, I'm still interested in seeing how it's gonna progress. And, yeah, that spread had huge Shingeki vibes.

 

[Tarot]

Actually, isn't it good that it is "jarring"? As to show how much the real jobs of Twilight and Yor threatens their happily little fake family they got going. I do like the family chapters the most though, followed closely by Anya's school shenanigans and then ofc the whole Spy/Hitwoman thing of Twilight and Yor. It's all good and fun to me.

The shift in tone doesn't work for me. Sometimes it gets really dark whenever Anya doesn't have the spotlight and it just isn't as good as the slice of life chapters in comparison.

 

[tirakai]

I feel like the escape panel in Witch this week maybe should've been the end of ch 1, the whole first half of this chapter was a waste of time mostly reiterating stuff we already knew. The setting is cool but the execution is very weak in this intro.

I'm still enjoying Undead and Mashle though. Mashle has some misses but I like most of the gags, and Undead's constant craziness is entertaining and it's got a good sense of progression, the powers and situations are fun and it's not really ever wasting time on pedantics and infodumping (the opposite of Witch pretty much which spends a bunch of time infodumping then rushes through the action, that's stuff you should do later once people care about the setting and characters).

For the older stuff Agravity Boys was fun with this first new alien, Mitama and Yozakura had okay chapters that felt pretty quick, and Zipman's pretty much fully lost my interest at this point. Also I'm tired of Samurai 8 just kinda hanging around at the bottom, I hope they do something with it soon (either cancel or shift it to another magazine) and don't just let it sit there for another 40 chapters because of Kishi.