Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Seven777]

If time argument is valid than there was no point in having pantherlily wrecked like that. And he should not have been flying away from him during the battle. And time should definitely been mention in aome statement "i dont have time i have to put him down fast"

Lol

Yeah that what i thought, laxus got the biggest boost, and still cant put erza down.

He was on his knees. He wouldnt have done much after that.

It's not just valid, it's canon. Mashima set up that limitation at the start of the arc, and brought it to fruition the next time Pantherlily fought.

Laxus didn't get a boost, simply progressed naturally through training like any other timeskip. Erza had all that and more.

Confirmed by Natsu and Laxus' own words that he could. Besides, being on your knees is pretty minor, it's not even as bad as getting knocked on your ass, something that frequently happens in FT fights.

hades who is doing everything to put down laxus.

Yep, you got it

 

[GL_Nova]

no way God Serena is as strong as Laxus, he is far above Laxus!
The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th WS were probably each as strong as most of the springgan just that God Serena is stronger, Serena is probably just below August I terms of spriggan rankings, Laxus is not so strong that he can solo the WS, just because God Serena was 1HKO by Acnologia doesn't take away from the fact that out off all the manga behind Acnologia, Egneel and FDK Natsu he has the most impressive battle feats, far above those of Ajeel who almost got killed before even the war and who was struggling against Erza

Why isn’t he that strong? I mean he can one shot Spriggan. An even sick and with a type advantage completely overpower somebody who should be essentially immune to his abilities.

 

[Ramen]

Why isn’t he that strong? I mean he can one shot Spriggan. An even sick and with a type advantage completely overpower somebody who should be essentially immune to his abilities.

Are you bored? That post is 3 years old leave it

 

[GL_Nova]

Are you bored? That post is 3 years old leave it

Nope, I opened this on the new phone and that was the first post I saw.

 

[sharkai]

It's not just valid, it's canon. Mashima set up that limitation at the start of the arc, and brought it to fruition the next time Pantherlily fought.

Laxus didn't get a boost, simply progressed naturally through training like any other timeskip. Erza had all that and more.

Confirmed by Natsu and Laxus' own words that he could. Besides, being on your knees is pretty minor, it's not even as bad as getting knocked on your ass, something that frequently happens in FT fights.
Yep, you got it

It was not mentioned in the fight. Barely mentioned after the fight. That limitation was not at all a factor

That is not a natural progress. A complete new mode, power mentioned. Laxus knew he needed red lightening mode to have any chances of putting erza down.
All erza got was a new sword or two. And she kept on mentioning laxus was this powerful after all laxus could only tire her. Yeah, sure you only believe in manga

Ah typo helping seven777 like pof helps fairy tail

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Why not? The Nakagami armor is just another armor, but we understand it to be massively stronger than her others and treated akin to a mode boost. Her boosting her strongest offensive weapon is a power up. Her entire magic is based on the strength of her weapons and armors.

Well i do understand where you are coming from, but i see erza sword or armor like lucy spirit or natsu or gray spell.
A new mode is complete different from a secret art ds. Something like a new mode is barely predictable.
However a new sword or armor is nothing special

 

[GL_Nova]

It was not mentioned in the fight. Barely mentioned after the fight. That limitation was not at all a factor

That is not a natural progress. A complete new mode, power mentioned. Laxus knew he needed red lightening mode to have any chances of putting erza down.
All erza got was a new sword or two. And she kept on mentioning laxus was this powerful after all laxus could only tire her. Yeah, sure you only believe in manga

Ah typo helping seven777 like pof helps fairy tail

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Well i do understand where you are coming from, but i see erza sword or armor like lucy spirit or natsu or gray spell.
A new mode is complete different from a secret art ds. Something like a new mode is barely predictable.
However a new sword or armor is nothing special

Can you explain why we are expected to put so much weight behind Laxus saying he knew he’d have to get serious to put her down, but ignore her declaration of loss. After spending the whole fight overwhelmed by Laxus power. By her own admission she misjudged his power and acknowledged him as being capable of protecting the guild on his own. Without the rest of their squad present. That’s a sizable gap.

All Erza has are swords. Different swords of different power levels that have different effects. The only power ups she’s ever gotten have been new armors and weapons. Like how she doesn’t use her Neptune armor and sword against Ajeel, she uses her water god sword. So why that’s suddenly being downplayed here baffles me. I mean it’s like ignoring the debate of Second Origin and her Nakagami armor. She got a new DS laser sword to fix and enhance her strongest attack blade. That’s an upgrade. She also had a Natsu sword and a Gray sword. That’s the closer to a Fire DS Mode or Ice DeS mode as she’s gonna get. An Laxus tanked it. An kept the pressure up. He pushed her to the point of exhaustion, and she was his second back to back match. An the fact Kiria has managed to keep up with Erza in both red pants and her new DS sword mode both in her base. He has enough juice to take to Erza lvl characters back to back.

 

[sharkai]

Can you explain why we are expected to put so much weight behind Laxus saying he knew he’d have to get serious to put her down, but ignore her declaration of loss. After spending the whole fight overwhelmed by Laxus power. By her own admission she misjudged his power and acknowledged him as being capable of protecting the guild on his own. Without the rest of their squad present. That’s a sizable gap.

All Erza has are swords. Different swords of different power levels that have different effects. The only power ups she’s ever gotten have been new armors and weapons. Like how she doesn’t use her Neptune armor and sword against Ajeel, she uses her water god sword. So why that’s suddenly being downplayed here baffles me. I mean it’s like ignoring the debate of Second Origin and her Nakagami armor. She got a new DS laser sword to fix and enhance her strongest attack blade. That’s an upgrade. She also had a Natsu sword and a Gray sword. That’s the closer to a Fire DS Mode or Ice DeS mode as she’s gonna get. An Laxus tanked it. An kept the pressure up. He pushed her to the point of exhaustion, and she was his second back to back match. An the fact Kiria has managed to keep up with Erza in both red pants and her new DS sword mode both in her base. He has enough juice to take to Erza lvl characters back to back.

As I said i see erza new weapon as natsu new ds attack of secret art
Natsu getting lightening
That something erza never gets
Or gray getting demon slayer magic

That is all. I don't disagree with you here much

What? How can erza judge the entire squad. Erza is shocked that laxus is as strong or slightly stronger than her. She can rest knowing laxus can replace her in saving the guild.
I dont disagree with her admission of lose. I dont have any problem saying laxus barely won this fight. After erza gave up, because lets face it, erza didnt really have much stake in this fight .
Its laxus fan who picks and choose what they want to believe. August hype of laxus nuke. Mira hype of jura are the two most important and factual hypes known to mankind. Meanwhile others hype are questionable and we should try to find underlining meaning behind them.

Erza held back. Laxus fans like this or not, its laxus statement. More accurate than august statement about laxus nuke.
Laxus needing red lightening to put down erza and even that wasnt enough.
Meanwhile erza is shocked laxus is so strong, that when she stops holding back he is equal to her.

Yes erza mis judged laxus power. After seeing laxus awe inspiring feat against hades, after hearing laxus beat jura, after being right next to laxus when he nuked ajeel. She still thought laxus was weaker than her. And here laxus fan used these same things to rank laxus tiers above erza

Why bring up kiria, without laxus weak heart

 

[Seven777]

It was not mentioned in the fight. Barely mentioned after the fight. That limitation was not at all a factor

That is not a natural progress. A complete new mode, power mentioned. Laxus knew he needed red lightening mode to have any chances of putting erza down.
All erza got was a new sword or two. And she kept on mentioning laxus was this powerful after all laxus could only tire her. Yeah, sure you only believe in manga

Ah typo helping seven777 like pof helps fairy tail

It was mentioned as the reason for Lily's defeat.

Sure it's natural progress, new powers developed naturally through training.
What Erza got was Natsu's power, Gray's power and Wendy's power. That's everyone in team Natsu bar Lucy. It's just like Erza said at the start of the fight, she wanted Natsu and Gray with her to face him, no wonder she kept mentioning how powerful he was

Well actually the typo was helping you... helping you accurately describe what happened in the manga

 

[sharkai]

It was mentioned as the reason for Lily's defeat.

Sure it's natural progress, new powers developed naturally through training.
What Erza got was Natsu's power, Gray's power and Wendy's power. That's everyone in team Natsu bar Lucy. It's just like Erza said at the start of the fight, she wanted Natsu and Gray with her to face him, no wonder she kept mentioning how powerful he was

Well actually the typo was helping you... helping you accurately describe what happened in the manga

No it wasnt.

Na man. Erza also got lucy powers. Note the difference between erza earlier kick and then after enchanting erza kick. Its definitely more effective and look shockingly like lucy kick

Lol

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I wonder
Since erza can take other people's power now
After laxus becomes good again
Erza will most definitely also enchant herself with his powers
Erza will be jumping tiers like crazy

 

[WoWfan]

Current Power Tiering:

1. Acno with SbT
2. Base Acno + 5DG
3. Igneel/Zeref
4. Spriggans/High Tier FT Members and other characters in Alvarez with Power Ups
5. DE
6. All other Dragons
7. Tartaros Members
8. Grimoire Members
9. Oracion Seis Members

 

[Axiomus]

Dimaria < 1% Wendy Belserion <<<<<<<<<< Alverez Erza?

Well yes. Maybe not so many "<", but Erza could in all likelihood beat Natsu with END powers. If Erza could move in Dimaria's time, Dimaria wouldn't be a farmer. She'd be a vegetable.

It's really more like Dimaria < Natsu with END powers < Regular Erza =< Wendy Belserion < Peak POF Erza < Irene

Wendy Belserion with Irene in full control probably wrecks any of the Spriggans. It's the 1% thing that makes it questionable.

 

[WoWfan]

well with partial END powers seeing as he is not fully transformed at the time, Erza cannot move in stopped time, seeing as how Laxus could not move in stopped time as well.

 

[Axiomus]

well with partial END powers seeing as he is not fully transformed at the time, Erza cannot move in stopped time, seeing as how Laxus could not move in stopped time as well.

Doesn't really matter, as Natsu was able to beat Dimaria with just the partial transformation and we're just talking about their combat abilities.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu was stronger than before his other abilities and powers so it makes sense he is above regular Spriggans

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu was stronger than before his other abilities and powers so it makes sense he is above regular Spriggans

He's already stronger than regular Spriggans without END's power, and FDK is superior to END's power. But anyways, the main point is that Erza is above Natsu with END's power.

 

[WoWfan]

not without his stronger forms, aid from allies and/or certain circumstances, the only one exception is with Neinhart. Invel would like a word on the FDK flames, only partial END's powers correct

 

[Axiomus]

not without his stronger forms, aid from allies and/or certain circumstances, the only one exception is with Neinhart. Invel would like a word on the FDK flames, only partial END's powers correct

He smashed Jacob and Neinhart. Invel never faced FDK flames, and no - every single time Natsu uses FDK mode, or even an FDK spell, he's state it. Natsu melted Invel's ice with his regular flames anyways. I'm not about to get into this again.

Erza is stronger than the version of END that beat Dimaria. That's all that matters here.

 

[WoWfan]

He could not smash Jacob without aid, and Neinhart was already physically weak, he did though as they were the same type of flames that Natsu used before, not he did not

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Ice has a tolerance to heat, but that depends on the freezing temperature, that does not mean he did not freeze FDK flames already. and that version of END is not his strongest version.

 

[Axiomus]

He could not smash Jacob without aid, and Neinhart was already physically weak, he did though as they were the same type of flames that Natsu used before, not he did not

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Ice has a tolerance to heat, but that depends on the freezing temperature, that does not mean he did not freeze FDK flames already. and that version of END is not his strongest version.

Yes he could. All he had to do is use demolition fist from the beginning. The only reason he didn't was because he didn't want to damage the guild. All Makarov did was punch Jacob hard enough to send him flying from the guild. That punch shown in your link is not FDK spell. That's just Natsu's base mode punch when he's not holding back. Natsu even uses an FDK spell in that very same chapter, and he even says it.

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Ice doesn't have any tolerance to heat. Ice is just cold, so it freezes stuff. Natsu was able to melt Invel's ice with small, regular flames. Which wouldn't have been able to happen if the ice was cold enough to freeze his much hotter FDK flames. Invel even made things colder by creating a blizzard around the whole area. Natsu simply used flames that were hotter than the ring of fire he initially created, and that ring of fire is just that. A ring of fire.

The version of END that we saw is the only canon version of END, and the strongest that END ever managed to become canonically.

 

[Demon Hunter]

the greatness of Jacob reached even this thread