Discussion Gear 4th - PLASTIC MAN: LUFFY'S AWAKENED FORM!

[Monkey D. Bufford]

I'm here to talk about Luffy's upcoming power, which will be possibly being revealed in Wano arc, Act 4!

In other words: Luffy's awakened form.


Once Luffy awakens his DF it will be similar to Katakuri's mochi, but his rubber is going to be malleable. I was really glad when I saw Dogtooth creating weapons out of his mochi abilities!




In other words, he CANNOT make any influence for the surroundings and create rubber arms from its nature. Because he can only make influence for his own body!!

FACTS: If he could have had some kind external effect out of his DF ability he could do that the surroundings. but sadly he can't. And I was really glad about that Luffy's getting more and more similar to Patrick O'Brian aka PLASTIC MAN.

Luffy's awakened form - Plastic Man​

Why will be similar to Patrick O' Brian? Because both Luffy and Eel are wearing the simbolical red suit. and both of their hairs are black.

And both can manipulate their muscles by blowing air into them! So once Luffy has mastered his malleabilities, he will be able to create a really weird, but however really awesome things. Such as:

• Shape-shifting

Plastic Man shape-shifting into an animal.
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Also, Plastic Man can take other people's identities, but he cannot use their powers. So imagine that, Luffy takes the shape of Kaidou, Sakazuki, Kuzan, Borsalino, etc. the way like Bon Clay. but it's more effective. Luffy can only transform into animals, because his malleabilities can let him do it, Also he can change the color of his pigments, as you see it in this picture.

Plastic-Man shape-shifted into Superman.
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• Creating weapons:​

When Luffy once awakened his Devil Fruit and allows to use his malleabilities, he will be able to create weapons, the way like Baby 5, but it's made out of Rubber. And it's foreshadowed through Katakuri's awakened abilities, when he used Mochi Cudgel (Zangiri Mochi) and I really loved the part when Toei has extended that in short filler, when he was creating a Vulcan gun out of his Mochi Abilities. Why is it so important? Because Luffy learns mostly from his previous battles and tries to make effort of that. So the deal is, Luffy can be able to turn his arms into a rubber sword, mace, hammer, cannon, vulcan gun and shoot rubber bullets & cannonballs.
Moreover he can transform into a rubber vehicles! Tanks, Helicopters, Cars, Boats, Submarines (Just Kidding). etc.

I'd really love to see that when Luffy's in Boundman form and flies around and then he creates a rubber rocket launcher out of both of his hands, like an Apache Helipad!

Here's a little video about Plastic-Man, what can he do:

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• Size alteration:

Plastic Man can make himself from the smallest (size of a piece of rice) into the tallest and biggest self (size of a giant). So the same goes to Luffy, once he's awakened his abilities.

• Invulnerability:

Luffy's weakness is the sharp objects that can wound him. However this will become history, once Luffy has awakened his DF, because his body will be like a Bubblegum Logia.

Dexter's Laboratory: Dexter has utilized Bubblegum to acquire rubber abilities, which it has made him malleable. His sister, Dee Dee used him as a Basketball, Sledge and a Trampoline.
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• Elasticity/Plasticity: He can stretch his limbs and body to superhuman lengths and sizes. There is no known limit to how far he can stretch his body.​
• Immortality: In DC Comics, Plastic Man does not appear to age; if he does, it is at a rate far slower than that of normal human beings. He did not visibly age, mentally or physically, from World War II to the 1990s. In the aftermath of the JLA story Arc "Obsidian Age", Plastic Man was discovered to have survived for 3000 years as little more than crumbs on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. He is now over 3000 years old and is still active as a superhero. So Luffy can be able to achieve this ability as immortality. No wonder why Oda has made a 40-year-old & a 60-year-old self of Luffy.

Adult & Old Luffy​

• Rubber Organs: Plastic Man's organs are rubber as he is; he also shifts them around in his body to prevent harm. He doesn't keep his brain in his head, which has allowed him to survive decapitation​

THE WEAKNESS OF LUFFY'S AWAKENED FORM:
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• Ultrasonic Detection: ​

His body will start to "ripple" when an ultrasonic frequency is triggered. So what does it mean in the One Piece universe? Luffy's going to be really sensitive to the ultrasonic frequencies. which means that Blackbeard's tremor powers can easily start to rip him into a million pieces. Like when a Balloon pops out.

Plastic Man's ultrasonic detection. This is how Luffy's malleable rubber body would react to the tremors of the Gura Gura no Mi.

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This is why he will have barely got a chance against Blackbeard on Raftel.



So in conclusion, I'd really love to see him creating weapons out of his rubber abilities in the first time in Wano arc against Kaidou, and when he's acquired it more then he will develop it in the 10-year-timeskip (=after Raftel arc).

 

[afromarco005]

Shape shifting sounds amazing. It would mean even more creativity for Luffy's abilities.

 

[kkck]

I'd make the point here that:

1.- Katakuri's fruit allowed him to turn his body into mochi and also create it and control it. A sort of off non elemental logia. And his awakening was to turn his surroundings into mochi.

2.- Doflamingo's fruit allowed him to simply generate strings from his body and manipulate said strings. He couldn't turn his body into strings. And yet his awakening was to turn his surroundings into string.

It'd be kinda weird if luffy's potential awakening wasn't to turn his surroundings into rubber, unless his lack of ability to control rubber makes a difference in regards to this. On the other hand if he becomes "malleable" and gains that sort of control then it'd make sense for luffy to also gain the ability to turn his surroundings into rubber as he'd gain the ability to manipulate it.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

I'd make the point here that:

1.- Katakuri's fruit allowed him to turn his body into mochi and also create it and control it. A sort of off non elemental logia. And his awakening was to turn his surroundings into mochi.

2.- Doflamingo's fruit allowed him to simply generate strings from his body and manipulate said strings. He couldn't turn his body into strings. And yet his awakening was to turn his surroundings into string.

It'd be kinda weird if luffy's potential awakening wasn't to turn his surroundings into rubber, unless his lack of ability to control rubber makes a difference in regards to this. On the other hand if he becomes "malleable" and gains that sort of control then it'd make sense for luffy to also gain the ability to turn his surroundings into rubber as he'd gain the ability to manipulate it.

He can't turn the surroundings into Rubber at all. Because there wasn't any kind of Superhero (Rubberman), who was ever turned the surroundings into rubber.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

He can't turn the surroundings into Rubber at all. Because there wasn't any kind of Superhero (Rubberman), who was ever turned the surroundings into rubber.

This is Oda's manga, so he gets to say what will happen in the end even if some of the stuff is inspired by prior works from different people. So far Luffy's paramecia seem like it will be able to manipulate and turn other stuff into rubber the same way Doflamingo and Katakuri can with their respective...substances and I think that is what will happen in the end.

Good long thought out post though. It was a nice read.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

This is Oda's manga, so he gets to say what will happen in the end even if some of the stuff is inspired by prior works from different people. So far Luffy's paramecia seem like it will be able to manipulate and turn other stuff into rubber the same way Doflamingo and Katakuri can with their respective...substances and I think that is what will happen in the end.

Good long thought out post though. It was a nice read.

Not all paramecia. Because Every Awakened form of the Devil Fruits are really different! Like Aokiji's DF awakened form is to stop the time. (Ice Time). Like Pudding Linlin's awakened form can be able to manipulate the timeline (like a media player). And she can recreate memories or she can make things never happened.

Also Sabo's awakened form is the Amaterasu, which can create invisible fire. There's a fire which is more lethal than the usual, it is called - Methanol.

So again, not every paramecia users can manipulate the surroundings. Because it's a scientifical fact.

 

[hokageji]

He can't turn the surroundings into Rubber at all. Because there wasn't any kind of Superhero (Rubberman), who was ever turned the surroundings into rubber.

so all superheroverse is canon in One PIece too? There's no connection between Rubber and plastic..... I think @kkck is correct in his points, Luffys awakening has to extend beyond his own.
Also, elasticity and plasticity are polar opposites. Katakuri's DF was more plasticity and less elasticity.. If you pull Katakuri's cheek and manage to dodge his teeth and elave it, it wont restore back to original position.. So even if luffy can show some traits, it'll be locked with a side-effect like he needs to hold that position, or loses his elasticity permanently...

Also, if Luffy can become plastic, then Shinobu's awakening can make everything around her young.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

so all superheroverse is canon in One PIece too? There's no connection between Rubber and plastic..... I think @kkck is correct in his points, Luffys awakening has to extend beyond his own.
Also, elasticity and plasticity are polar opposites. Katakuri's DF was more plasticity and less elasticity.. If you pull Katakuri's cheek and manage to dodge his teeth and elave it, it wont restore back to original position.. So even if luffy can show some traits, it'll be locked with a side-effect like he needs to hold that position, or loses his elasticity permanently...

Also, if Luffy can become plastic, then Shinobu's awakening can make everything around her young.

Yes there is connection between Rubber and plastic! Because the rubber is made out of Caoutchouc. And it's well know the rubber is malleable, So Luffy can't make the surroundings into rubber at all. Since he can only make an effect to his body.

 

[kkck]

To my understanding plastic and rubber are ultimately different substances. Rubber can be stretched and deformed to an insane degree and it will return to its original shape. Plastic, at least the ones i know, does not have such a property.

Another point that is weird when it comes to luffys devil fruit... is that the ability itself is entirely passive. As in, luffy does not actively control the power like other df users. Even when it comes to luffys df technques... what we see is mostly mechanical so to speak. As in, take luffys gomu gomu no pistol. Luffy stretched his arm as far back as he can and then throws a punch at his enemy. This technique doesn't depend on a specific devil fruit technique to work. Its simply luffys rubber body physically stretching and luffy taking advantage of his fists momentum. Its different from, say, using a logia to control an element or doflamingo generating and manipulating a variety of strings.

Same goes for his gears.... luffy is physically pumping blood or inflating himself. Gear 4 goes a tad further and uses haki to control luffys elasticity and rigidity.

Not sure if i am explaining myself clearly but.... luffys fruit doesn't actually give luffy any power to master. Luffys body is simply rubber and otherwise luffy has no control over that. Luffy can't deactivate his ability nor otherwise generate or control rubber. The entirety of luffys arsenal is luffy simply physically taking advantage of his rubber body. Luffys techniques and gears aren't exactly df "powers", they are more akin to martial prowess.


So... awakening is basically a level of devil fruit mastery. But what does that mean to luffy whose fruit does not do anything other than turning luffys body into rubber? Can a fruit this fundamanetaly passive have an awakening? What is there for luffy to master exactly?

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

To my understanding plastic and rubber are ultimately different substances. Rubber can be stretched and deformed to an insane degree and it will return to its original shape. Plastic, at least the ones i know, does not have such a property.

Another point that is weird when it comes to luffys devil fruit... is that the ability itself is entirely passive. As in, luffy does not actively control the power like other df users. Even when it comes to luffys df technques... what we see is mostly mechanical so to speak. As in, take luffys gomu gomu no pistol. Luffy stretched his arm as far back as he can and then throws a punch at his enemy. This technique doesn't depend on a specific devil fruit technique to work. Its simply luffys rubber body physically stretching and luffy taking advantage of his fists momentum. Its different from, say, using a logia to control an element or doflamingo generating and manipulating a variety of strings.

Same goes for his gears.... luffy is physically pumping blood or inflating himself. Gear 4 goes a tad further and uses haki to control luffys elasticity and rigidity.

Not sure if i am explaining myself clearly but.... luffys fruit doesn't actually give luffy any power to master. Luffys body is simply rubber and otherwise luffy has no control over that. Luffy can't deactivate his ability nor otherwise generate or control rubber. The entirety of luffys arsenal is luffy simply physically taking advantage of his rubber body. Luffys techniques and gears aren't exactly df "powers", they are more akin to martial prowess.


So... awakening is basically a level of devil fruit mastery. But what does that mean to luffy whose fruit does not do anything other than turning luffys body into rubber? Can a fruit this fundamanetaly passive have an awakening? What is there for luffy to master exactly?

Luffy has to master the malleabilities and plasticities. Because the Monkey is the symbol of Shape-shifting accordingto the Chinese mythology.

 

[kkck]

Luffy has to master the malleabilities and plasticities. Because the Monkey is the symbol of Shape-shifting accordingto the Chinese mythology.

So far luffy has not evidenced an ability to "control" rubber in such a manner though. And his awakening giving him that would... I suppose its not impossible but it'd be outside what little we know of awakenings.

I will also make the point that the bulk of techniques from plastic man which you mention simply don't fit luffy. As in, shape-shifting into another person.... the moment luffy opens his mouth he will give himself away. Impersonating someone requires at least a bare minimum of finesse... Which luffy lacks. Luffy is more of a blunt object so to speak.

Luffy getting the ability to manipulate his body at will would be interesting though I wouldn't necessarily bet on oda changing luffy's fighting style. As in, luffy getting the ability to manipulate his body and use it to shape his fist like a sword. It'd fit if he enhanced his fist though.

 

[hokageji]

Yes there is connection between Rubber and plastic! Because the rubber is made out of Caoutchouc. And it's well know the rubber is malleable, So Luffy can't make the surroundings into rubber at all. Since he can only make an effect to his body.

And what does caoutchouc have anything to do with plastic?

To my understanding plastic and rubber are ultimately different substances. Rubber can be stretched and deformed to an insane degree and it will return to its original shape. Plastic, at least the ones i know, does not have such a property.

That is right to a degree, but elasticity and plasticity are opposites in physics when defining solids and their behavior to stress.... No that this point disagrees with anything you are saying but i thought it may be relevant when speaking about df abilities..

For rubber however, plasticity will come into picture when rubber ibeyond a certain point, where it cannot retain its shape. So if plasticity comes into picture with awakening, i'd see it like a side effect instead of an effect.

 

[kkck]

And what does caoutchouc have anything to do with plastic?



That is right to a degree, but elasticity and plasticity are opposites in physics when defining solids and their behavior to stress.... No that this point disagrees with anything you are saying but i thought it may be relevant when speaking about df abilities..

For rubber however, plasticity will come into picture when rubber ibeyond a certain point, where it cannot retain its shape. So if plasticity comes into picture with awakening, i'd see it like a side effect instead of an effect.

So if I am understanding this.... Plasticity coming into the equation would mean luffy would lose his ability to return to his original shape? That would almost be funny.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

And what does caoutchouc have anything to do with plastic?



That is right to a degree, but elasticity and plasticity are opposites in physics when defining solids and their behavior to stress.... No that this point disagrees with anything you are saying but i thought it may be relevant when speaking about df abilities..

For rubber however, plasticity will come into picture when rubber beyond a certain point, where it cannot retain its shape. So if plasticity comes into picture with awakening, i'd see it like a side effect instead of an effect.

Plastic? Caoutchouc is the material of rubber. So the Rubber also can be formed into plastic. See: Rubber tonfa, Rubber Police Baton, Rubber swords, and so and so forth.

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So if I am understanding this.... Plasticity coming into the equation would mean luffy would lose his ability to return to his original shape? That would almost be funny.

Not exactly. Luffy can bear with the power of shape-shifting and he can turn into anybody the way like Bon Clay through his malleabilities/plasticities. And Plastic Man really fits to Luffy! And as I mentioned that he can only be able to do it, when he's acquiring that level where he can turn into another person, but he cannot use their abilities!

So at first, we will only see Luffy creating rubber weapons out of his malleabilities.

 

[kkck]

Plastic? Caoutchouc is the material of rubber. So the Rubber also can be formed into plastic. See: Rubber tonfa, Rubber Police Baton, Rubber swords, and so and so forth.

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Not exactly. Luffy can bear with the power of shape-shifting and he can turn into anybody the way like Bon Clay through his malleabilities/plasticities. And Plastic Man really fits to Luffy! And as I mentioned that he can only be able to do it, when he's acquiring that level where he can turn into another person, but he cannot use their abilities!

So at first, we will only see Luffy creating rubber weapons out of his malleabilities.

But... that doesn't fit what plasticity means. If luffy gets an innate ability to manipulate his body's rubber then fine, go for it. but if you call it plasticity then that has the implication that luffy can't revert. So even if luffy gains a power that allows him to manipulate his body's rubber that still wouldn't fit into what plasticity refers to. (Google: In physics and materials science, plasticity, also known as plastic deformation, is the ability of a solid material to undergo permanent deformation, a non-reversible change of shape in response to applied forces. )

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

But... that doesn't fit what plasticity means. If luffy gets an innate ability to manipulate his body's rubber then fine, go for it. but if you call it plasticity then that has the implication that luffy can't revert. So even if luffy gains a power that allows him to manipulate his body's rubber that still wouldn't fit into what plasticity refers to. (Google: In physics and materials science, plasticity, also known as plastic deformation, is the ability of a solid material to undergo permanent deformation, a non-reversible change of shape in response to applied forces. )

It does fit. Trust me. I have seen enough Plastic Man scenes to prove that Luffy will be also able to do it like Patrick O'Brian. Luffy will have malleabilities and he can do the same like O'Brian. O'Brian wears the same red as Luffy and he can do blow air into his arms to make it bigger and more muscular than the usual.

If Katakuri has made a Vulcan Gun out of his Mochi Abilities, then imagine Luffy's creating a Vulcan gun that shoots rubber bullets! So once Luffy awakens his DF he will become a "Bubblegum logia". Bubble gum is made out of plastic. No wonder why Luffy's awakened form will be named as Plastic Man. If we got Tankman, Snakeman and Boundman.

 

[hokageji]

@Monkey D. Bufford
Alright, i dont see anypoint of discussing this further, lets see what happens...

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

@Monkey D. Bufford
Alright, i dont see anypoint of discussing this further, lets see what happens...

Look. I have made my own research years ago, and I can make a post about how does the awakened forms do work.

 

[hokageji]

Look. I have made my own research years ago, and I can make a post about how does the awakened forms do work.

And thats absolutely fine. Nothing wrong with that. Its always good to see multiple ideas, but to me, plastic and elastic cannot be the same in OP. You've put your points through, and i dont see it happening, so its just me saying lets agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Monkey D. Bufford]

And thats absolutely fine. Nothing wrong with that. Its always good to see multiple ideas, but to me, plastic and elastic cannot be the same in OP. You've put your points through, and i dont see it happening, so its just me saying lets agree to disagree and move on.

No agree to disagree! Because Plastic and Elastic are different from the other. But their awakened forms are the same. But Plastic is more envulnarable. And it's a real problem if you don't see it happening. Because it seems you didn't see any superhero series. So all villain and heroic Characters in One Piece have different awakened forms.