Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

PoF stands for power of feelings

Hatred is feelings.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 22, 2020 ---

Gray had hatred when he faced Deliora and could not beat it, hate is not a good trait to have, it only poisons oneself and only seeks to satisfy their needs with the suffering of others. It is only because of his DSM which is fueled by his darkness, the darkness that Ur worked hard to seal away. Natsu cared about his friends and his flames burn more intensely the more emotional he gets.

Gray went all out, and still lost against a weakened Mira

He didn't lose, he won.

Gray cared for Juvia and his dad when he fought END and invel. PoF

 

[WoWfan]

In this series Power of Feelings represent the bonds that one shares, even Mavis made a point about his.
Gray did not win, he was shitting his pants when seeing Deliora after believing with Ice Make he could avenge His parents. Gray was simply wanting to get revenge, he was only thinking of himself, wanting just to feel better despite Julia being gone

 

[Talenel]

Gray had hatred when he faced Deliora and could not beat it, hate is not a good trait to have, it only poisons oneself and only seeks to satisfy their needs with the suffering of others. It is only because of his DSM which is fueled by his darkness, the darkness that Ur worked hard to seal away. Natsu cared about his friends and his flames burn more intensely the more emotional he gets.

Gray went all out, and still lost against a weakened Mira

Hate and rage will still result in greater power. Remember Gray vs Silver? Gray went from being fodder stomped to actually keeping pace with Silver when he learned that Silver was truly Deliora reborn. Silver even indicates that his goal in lying and pissing Gray off was to have Gray push past his standard limits.

 

[WoWfan]

Hate and rage will still result in greater power. Remember Gray vs Silver? Gray went from being fodder stomped to actually keeping pace with Silver when he learned that Silver was truly Deliora reborn. Silver even indicates that his goal in lying and pissing Gray off was to have Gray push past his standard limits.

Only when it is utilized by certain Magic’s, like Devil Slayer Magic. Silver had no intention on killing his son so he was holding back. He wanted Gray to kill him to put him out of his misery

 

[Axiomus]

Characters get stronger the more emotional they get, and emotions like vengeance are still emotions. "Darkness in your heart" is just a fancy way of saying negative emotions. The point is that Gray was noticeably stronger once he was tapping into his darkness/pof/whatever you call it when he fought Invel. There's nothing to suggest he was the same way when he fought Mirajane.

Gray went all out, and still lost against a weakened Mira

Except Gray didn't lose. He won.

 

[WoWfan]

Characters get stronger through their bonds and friendship, that is how magic works with positive emotions. Darkness of the heart is based on certain types of magic that actually utilize them.

It is not that hard to accept that it is stated he went all out

I stand corrected, I meant he would still be weaker than fresh Mira even when he went all out

 

[Axiomus]

Characters get stronger through their bonds and friendship, that is how magic works with positive emotions. Darkness of the heart is based on certain types of magic that actually utilize them.

It is not that hard to accept that it is stated he went all out

I stand corrected, I meant he would still be weaker than fresh Mira even when he went all out

Anybody can use darkness in their hearts.

Spoiler

But it actually doesn't matter. Gray got stronger when he thought Juvia died. There's a clear difference between Gray when he fought Invel and when he fought Mirajane.

 

[WoWfan]

You have posted nothing, because the darkness is what fuels his Devil Slayer Magic and a specific few other magic, this is not the same as PoF which is bonds and friendship, no difference as he gave it his all, whether it be murderous intent or not

 

[Axiomus]

You have posted nothing, because the darkness is what fuels his Devil Slayer Magi, no difference as he gave it his all, whether it be murderous intent or not

Invel literally says that darkness is a source of power that any human being can possess. Zeref uses it, and he doesn't use devil slaying magic.

It makes all the difference. Gray's emotions on Juvia's death made his base mode punches stronger than his demonized form's ice spells.

 

[WoWfan]

Invel literally stats that is is for Black Magic users, that is his darkness mode, which is stronger than his DoS magic

 

[Axiomus]

Invel literally stats that is is for Black Magic users, that is his darkness mode, which is stronger than his DoS magic

So what? Even fodders can use black magic. All the fodders at Avatar used black magic. There's no "darkness mode". His emotions on Juvia's death is just making his existing devil slaying magic stronger.

Either way, this wasn't used against Mirajane.

 

[WoWfan]

There is when it is the darkness that consumed his heart, and it is for black magic users that the darkness makes them stronger, either way, he went all out against a weakened Mira and still struggled.

 

[Talenel]

Only when it is utilized by certain Magic’s, like Devil Slayer Magic. Silver had no intention on killing his son so he was holding back. He wanted Gray to kill him to put him out of his misery

Nothing indicates that Silver was holding back nor did he ever attempt to take a dive during the fight. He tore Gray to shreds, neutralized (or attempted to) every move that Gray used, and then told him that he couldnt win with anger alone. He even ate Gray's ice to power up before using his roar in him. How could he push Gray to greater levels of power by being soft?
As well, Gray was not a devil slayer at that time and still became visibly more effective against Silver than before he started raging.

 

[WoWfan]

Nothing indicates that Silver was holding back nor did he ever attempt to take a dive during the fight. He tore Gray to shreds, neutralized (or attempted to) every move that Gray used, and then told him that he couldnt win with anger alone. He even ate Gray's ice to power up before using his roar in him. How could he push Gray to greater levels of power by being soft?
As well, Gray was not a devil slayer at that time and still became visibly more effective against Silver than before he started raging.

So you are you saying Silver, the man who is Gray’s father wanted to kill and make suffer his own son just because? That is utterly stupid. He wanted to die after knowing that his son was alive. There was no evidence that rage empowered him nor was it stated that hatred gives wizards strength, it is the bonds one has that makes them strong

 

[Talenel]

So you are you saying Silver, the man who is Gray’s father wanted to kill and make suffer his own son just because?

You know I'm not saying that:

Silver even indicates that his goal in lying and pissing Gray off was to have Gray push past his standard limits.

How could he push Gray to greater levels of power by being soft?

That is utterly stupid. He wanted to die after knowing that his son was alive.

Gray realized that Silver was not Deliora and didnt want to kill his father, but still tore a hole through him. Why?
If Silver wanted to lose, why did he never try to take a dive? Why did he eat Gray's ice which he knew would power him up instead of just negating it? When Gray used his own power against him, why didnt he just go down? When Gray seems out of options, why Did Silver further beat and taunt him? If his only motive was dying, why fight seriously at all? Everything indicates that the two gave it their all despite their knowledge.


How about this....can you tell me the ways that Silver held back against Gray?

There was no evidence that rage empowered him nor was it stated that hatred gives wizards strength, it is the bonds one has that makes them strong

Anger totally has empowered fighters before. Juvia explodes into boiling water when angered and became much more effective for example. Going back to Gray, look at his fight with Lyon. As soon as Gray became focused and lost his temper, he beat the piss out of Lyon.

 

[WoWfan]

Correction, he only put Gray through all this just to get over his nightmares of Deliora, if Gray was stronger then he would not have given him his DSM

Anger for the sake of others, not hatred which is only for oneself, they take into account the values of others over themselves.

 

[Vis]

Gray should have an advantage against Mirajane for all intents and purposes.
Whether he used Devil Slaying against her is a different matter.
Only time Gray has chosen to use this devil slaying form was against demons/cursed characters,, with the exception of Invel and Raijinshuu. Invel, when he really pissed him off and when he was coerced to use it by Freed.
Gray 'struggling' does not necessarily imply that he used it, especially given how much of a gap that would imply there is between Gray and Mirajane.

One would have to be, objectively speaking, a biased person, to actually argue that Gray struggled against an exhausted Mirajane, while holding back in her base form, got tricked because she was smiling in Cana's card, while Gray was fresh and had a massive advantage against her that previously allowed him to oneshot someone three-four tiers above him in Tartaros once a decent hit connected.

More importantly though, I see that a lot of people arguing for Mirajane's case used to argue that Mirajane wasn't vulnerable to Gray's devil slaying, and now that it hypes her up, they're arguing that she must indeed be vulnerable to it and still gave Gray a high difficulty fight. What a convenient time to be convinced by such a crucial aspect of their respective magic affinities. Classic.

 

[WoWfan]

Except he used it against characters without curses as well. And when he gave it his all, DSM is considered part of his all, especially against someone as powerful as Mirajane. If Dragon Slayers struggle against dragons, this is no different

 

[Talenel]

Correction, he only put Gray through all this just to get over his nightmares of Deliora

How did beating Gray into the dirt accomplish such a thing? He was literally shredding Grays body while taunting him.

if Gray was stronger then he would not have given him his DSM

.....Why wouldn't he?

Again, what are the indicators that Silver was holding back?

Except he used it against characters without curses as well. And when he gave it his all, DSM is considered part of his all, especially against someone as powerful as Mirajane. If Dragon Slayers struggle against dragons, this is no different

Why are you taking Juvia trying to cheer Gray up so ridiculously literally?

 

[WoWfan]

Have you ever heard of acting? it did as Gray got over his trauma of Deliora, but now he just wants vengeance against END, partial success if you ask me, still no proof that Silver was going all out because for one thing (HE IS GRAY'S FATHER), even when Gray was doing Iced Shell which would transform the user's body into ice, Silver was likely saving Gray from doing that. Because She was there when Gray fought, she would not leave him alone, so she would know what happened.