Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

END is powerful enough to defeat Zeref, he would know he made him

 

[Ramen]

No other multiplier has been given and this was a multiplier from an external source. no reason to assume it would be more at other times. And if the power increase had gotten significantly higher it would have been mentioned.

You basically said gray's not gonna get any powerups and will never catch up to current natsu's max. That just doesn't make any snse to me given the nature of their mission. And no shit he's gonna be stronger when he fights ignia (I even said this myself earlier) But that has nothing to do with where current natsu is at.

And manga says gildarts is still strongest mage so I don't think what you are saying is right. Gildarts at max is most likely stronger than Natsu at his normal max. Only time natsu has gone above is when he's heavily utilizing flame of emotion. And I don't see how there could be any scenario where gildarts isn't able to get his crash magic off b4 natsu does his powerups.

1) Well Natsu with his DF when powered up by Ignia's flames were obviously much more than 2x-3x so it all depends on Natsu's MP or who's the external source.

2) No I didn't. I said everyone is going to get stronger but Natsu will end up being the strongest. Gray will get something new and be around Gajeel and Mira level if I had to guess.

3) Yea Gildarts is the strongest. That's what I said. Only when he (Natsu) uses his power-ups he's stronger but if Gildarts had max-PoF with the guild mark, he would would probably solo FT. Yes like I told WoWfan, Gildarts can most likely crash Natsu before he does.

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END is powerful enough to defeat Zeref, he would know he made him

Yes the full thing, but we didn't see the full thing.

 

[WoWfan]

Yet we saw that END as he was then is relatively stronger than Spriggans while most of the cast had trouble with them.

 

[Ramen]

1. There was clearly a power other than df at play during that fight,. The black stuff around his eyes and demonic looking hands are exactly like when he transformed into END. Who knows maybe his demonic side is a bigger boost than we thought.

2. We will see

3. Was just making sure as I don't read all these posts.

1) END is gone as the book and Zeref is too. It looks like just advanced dragonification, the same thing with Gray's demonization. Due to the power of Ignia's flames, he kinda looks like Ignia's dragon form too. His hands are just like Cobra's. END was different.

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2) Sure

3) Cool.

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Yet we saw that END as he was then is relatively stronger than Spriggans while most of the cast had trouble with them.

And? The top tier of FT are stronger than the Spriggans (Irene and August Excluded).

Gray stalemated him. The people I mentioned could easily do that and some even beat him.

 

[Axiomus]

That's not a fair comparison as we don't know how Ur compares with bluenote.

Not all spriggans are made equal you know. A better comparison would be gray being able to completely freeze Ajeel's sand monster as well as Natsu being able to vape his sand.

POF is irrelevant when talking about their normal power levels. Natsu during the final battle could tank hits from acnologia but normal Natsu takes damage from Gajeel.

This was Dragon force with an FDk attack. Yes this is stronger than gray because gray doesn't have an equivalent of df to stack on top of his Ice DS attacks.

Again emotions don't really matter in terms of scaling their normal power levels.

Ignia flames natsu is stronger yes. I've said this. But gray never matching it isn't a certainty. If Mashima wants to he could make every member of team Natsu Op.

Yes we do. Ur had the hype of being a Wizard Saint. She did not have the hype of being a God of Ishgar, so at best she's Jura level. Bluenote was evenly matched with Gildarts on Tenrou Island, and that would clock him around the same level as Jura as well.

It doesn't matter. Natsu can do more damage to Madmole, and Madmole has better durability than literally all of Gray's opponents. Freezing Ajeel's sand monster is not that impressive, and Natsu vaped Ajeel's sand with his base flames. So you're comparing Gray doing no damage to Ajeel to Natsu's base flames not even attacking Ajeel.

POF is relevant, because Gray uses it too. He had it when he beat Invel, and he had it when he fought END. To pretend that Gray doesn't get stronger with his emotions is to miss his entire conversation with Invel about his darkness.

Demonization is the equivalent of Dragon Force, because Dragon Force main shtick is to dragonize.

Alright fine. It's not a certainty that Gray will never match Ignia flames. It's also not a realistic expectation that he will.

 

[Ramen]

@Axiomus Can you fact check me? Ignia's flames were the only power Natsu had when he fought Merc right? That form was an advanced dragonification or were there elements of END too?

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We actually don't know if END is gone for good. Zeref made modifications to natsu's body in order to revive him So I don't think those would just disappear like that. And Ignia's hands don't look demonic like that. He also didn't have the deep black outline on his flames while Natsu did just like when he went END

I'm just assuming. Demon hands and dragon hands are similar but Natsu's with Ignia's flames resembled Cobra's more than END. His hands at that stage look like Ignia's too.

Spoiler: Ignia's Hands

Spoiler: Natsu's hands

Spoiler: Cobra's

Much Different than END

Spoiler: END

 

[WoWfan]

Yet they struggled, END did not

 

[Ramen]

IIRC Bluenote only gained the upper hand because of Azuma and his Tree.

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How does this prove anything? There's basically no resemblance in the hands in the first two pics and cobra's hand is just completely out of place here. Yes there are dragonified parts but the black parts are what resembles end. a better comparison of their hands is this pic

Yea but does END even exists? Who knows, there's a pretty strong argument for No. So as far as what I see, Ignia was strong enough to multiply Natsu's powerup more than Jellal and Laxus ever could.

 

[Ramen]

Yet they struggled, END did not

Gajeel only did because of the MBP. Gildarts well.....it's August. Erza.....Irene. Jellal one shot Neinhart then fought Acnologia. Laxus had cancer but then killed a spriggan who was immune to his elements.

Yes these people can easily replicate Gray's feat

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Also I've never seen dragon force change natsu's personality and make him blood thirsty, But END has.

Natsu was still wary of his friends. He lost control most likely because it was an enemy, and the flames were so strong they consumed him.

 

[Axiomus]

@Axiomus Can you fact check me? Ignia's flames were the only power Natsu had when he fought Merc right? That form was an advanced dragonification or were there elements of END too?

It was just Ignia's flames unless proven otherwise.

• The demon seed is destroyed and the only way it's going to grow again is if Natsu doubts his humanity.
• The END book is destroyed
• The END's power that went into Lucy's body was destroyed by Gray.

That's 3 different ways END has been destroyed. Anybody that says it's END has some serious explaining to do. I'll elaborate more on what I think the black markings on Natsu's hands are in a later post. Dinner time.

 

[Ramen]

It was just Ignia's flames unless proven otherwise.

• The demon seed is destroyed and the only way it's going to grow again is if Natsu doubts his humanity.
• The END book is destroyed
• The END's power that went into Lucy's body was destroyed by Gray.

That's 3 different ways END has been destroyed. Anybody that says it's END has some serious explaining to do. I'll elaborate more on what I think the black markings on Natsu's hands are in a later post. Dinner time.

Appreciate it. Ill just leave your reply here.

 

[WoWfan]

Gajeel ended up shortening his lifespan and even without it he was not on Spriggan until the power up. Gildarts even got ruffled up against a weakened Spriggan, Erza did not beat Irene, she killed herself, Not before he one shotted Jellal first, Laxus‘s ailments did not afflict him until later, even then he could not put him down

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The artist was just lazy in his drawing of Ignia power up

 

[Ramen]

Gajeel ended up shortening his lifespan and even without it he was not on Spriggan until the power up. Gildarts even got ruffled up against a weakened Spriggan, Erza did not beat Irene, she killed herself, Not before he one shotted Jellal first, Laxus‘s ailments did not afflict him until later, even then he could not put him down

Yea because you can't touch Bloodman as he's intangible. Others needed power-ups too just like Gray. Like who? GS? He literally one shot him the minute he got serious. That's the point. Erza fought someone much stronger. True, but still win for Jellal. Laxus' cancer affected him before the war started. Gray even asked him about it. Yea Wahl is immune to lightning? Know what that means? Laxus had the worst situation and still killed him

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I feel like there are too many similarities with that mode for it to just be a coincidence. Writing wise that wouldn't make much sense and he'd be better off giving natsu more dragon like features if he intended for it to be purely dragon power. Maybe something like the half dragon form in DC

That form was utter PoF. Plus, Natsu can't actually transform into a dragon because the seed is destroyed.

 

[WoWfan]

He managed to get a couple hits in on him and even then bloodman counters or is unfazed. Gray’s powerup was natural with his magic, still does not excuse Gildarts for getting hurt in the fight, he even recognized GS would have been a good fight. Erza lost, I do not count that as impressive. But Neinhart won first, even then he is physically weaker than the others. No it didn’t, he stated it only happens at times, Wall was not immune to physical attacks which Laxus is good at

 

[Ramen]

I know, I'm just saying that if the author wanted it to be an advanced dragonification form, he would have given natsu more dragon like features rather than making it look and act just like natsu's demon form

They be lazy in the studio

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He managed to get a couple hits in on him and even then bloodman counters or is unfazed. Gray’s powerup was natural with his magic, still does not excuse Gildarts for getting hurt in the fight, he even recognized GS would have been a good fight. Erza lost, I do not count that as impressive. But Neinhart won first, even then he is physically weaker than the others. No it didn’t, he stated it only happens at times, Wall was not immune to physical attacks which Laxus is good at

And? Who's beating Bloodman in their base? You can't clown on the guy for getting a power up as everyone else did too. Gray's power-up was straight bs just like everyone else. He didn't get hurt, GS said he keeps crashing the spells and there is no panel that shows GS landing a hit. It's Irene but ok. Tbf I clown Jellal but he took the hit to protect Kagura. He also drowned which played a part too. He still had cancer, and to a degree it affected him. Laxus is good at physcials but he's not Gildarts, he's not beating Wahl with his bare fists. No one is

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Welp that was fun, I'm going to read Frederic Bastiat now.

 

[WoWfan]

Gajeel can’t beat him in base apparentl, no it is a common power Up for Black Magic users, PoF is common power up for anyone with bonds and friendship. Gildart’s condition would say otherwise, crashing magic does not matter. Even when Jellal took a hit he was still out cold Before even drowning, that is not how it works. Laxus did not have cancer, and it did not affect his performance until it did, which is bad timing, he could but he is not powerful enough to do so, he was doing the same with Orga despite his Lightning immunity too But still held his own

 

[Axiomus]

Evenly matched? Gildarts one shot him the moment he actually started trying. He could have done what he did at the end of the fight at any point.

Gray fought Invel a whole year ago, why would you compare his damage against at that point to current natsu? Also technically gray did more damage to invel cause a large gash on the abdomen and coughing up blood is probably worse than getting a little brown but that's besides the point.

Everyone uses it. Natsu was also using it when he fought gray so using that as a way to discredit gray's power doesn't make sense. And natsu was also using it when he fought zeref so that doesn't mean his normal power is at that level.

My point was Gray doesn't have multiple powerups that he can stack for more powerful attacks. If he gets that then his max could be comparable to natsu's

Yes, evenly matched. Makarov said Jura would be a match for Gildarts. No, Gildarts did not oneshot Bluenote. They exchanged multiple times. Honestly speaking, I don't think Ur's historia is even on Jura's level. She could honestly just be around Jose's level, given that he's also a WS. I doubt she could give Gildarts this good of a fight. It would take a historia like God Serena to do this.

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Anyways, it doesn't even matter. Historia of Ur is just a tiny fraction of Neinhart's power. She's not even the strongest historia Neinhart summoned at Hargeon, let alone the Spriggan historia that Neinhart summoned later. Neinhart was enchanted by Irene to the point that his magic power outstripped it's previous limits. He's actually stronger than the average Spriggan. Natsu two-shotted him.

Invel was barely even fazed by zero longsword. Purgatory knocked down Madmole and burned him all up. Plus, Madmole's durability is massively better than the opponent's Gray has fought. Skullion took zero damage to Zero Longsword. He took it better than Invel did. And no, Skullion did not turn into ash in time against Gray's attack. Madmole has better durability than Skullion.

I never said that Natsu's wasn't emotional he fought Gray. However, he simply wasn't at the peak of his emotions. That only happened during his fight with Zeref. Gray peaked out his emotions when he thought Juvia died. I'm not trying to discredit anything here. You are. You are discrediting Natsu's best feat because of POF, while comparing best of Gray's POF feats against Natsu's mediocre feats. I'm just saying if you want to use Gray's best POF feats, then you should compare them to Natsu's best POF feats.

 

[WoWfan]

Images are still broken

 

[Ramen]

No they aren't.

 

[WoWfan]

No they aren't.

now they aren't