Agreed 100 percent. I'm not a fortune teller. If Agravity or Yozakura were to start shooting up in the TOC then I'll revise my stance. But only then. If a series' saving grace is that it's only placed above a few series that are either on the chopping block themselves or about to end naturally...well let's just say that if I was a fan of said series that wouldn't encourage me to feel secure in it's long term success.
Oh wow, almost 8 years ago Sensei no Bulge got a color page but the series was cancelled, it's almost like this very isolated case can be used to prove everything related to the current magazine after almost a decade
That's simply not true. TOC trumps all, even sales.Oh wow, almost 8 years ago Sensei no Bulge got a color page but the series was cancelled, it's almost like this very isolated case can be used to prove everything related to the current magazine after almost a decade
How color pages don't mean anything? tell the last new series that got a color page after the 2nd chapter that were quickly cancelled with less than 20 chapters? the last newbies excluding S8 that got a new color page were Yozakura and Mitama, both series that are surviving in the magazine and going already for 30 chapters mark. I think you didn't realised yet but the current SJ values much more volume sales than the ToC itself, and even the ToC is much more aligned to reflect the sales of new series.
Yup. Though I chalk that up to scheduling + plus Shiibashi being a veteran.
Thats a bit outdated view on SJ, the ToC isn't a entity separated from sales, is just the placement decided by one or a group of editors based in many factors including volume sales, the current ToC is much more of a reflection of volume sales when it comes to newbies, this is what all the newbies since Act-Age have in common: Starting with average/mediocre rankings and suddenly rising after the first volume gets released or later volumes start to get momentum. Even Jujutsu Kaisen that you mentioned started with very average toc positions, many in the bottom until the first volume was released and became a hit.
No. MangaPlus is Shueisha's shared site for English (and other foreign language) simulpubs. It publishes selected series from Shonen Jump, Jump+, Young Jump, V-Jump and Jump SQ. Oh, and one from Saikyo Jump ever since I'm from Japan moved there.
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That reminds me, does anyone have, say, the Honto rankings for Yozakura? The reprint of Vol 1 would be out today...
I agree that the most recent arc was still completely below mediocre but the SOL chapter that just happened was still really great.
To me the series was always great, and now it's even greater
Yes I remember. I was bummed because JJK had a slow start. I thought it was going to be cancelled. However, I think you're overlooking something. JJK started improving in the rankings because the quality of the series improved. I remember when it started rising. Those chapters being ranked were when it started to be super fire. And so, it's first volume sold well which reflected the increase in quality and popularity. Occam's razor.
You're using something subjective that is "quality", if you ask here most people will overpraise Mitama Secureity as a great/fantastic comedy, and it's indeed really good, so why the series underperformed and the so "criticized" Yozakura sold better than everybody thought? Thing is, Jujutsu Kaisen only started to be noticed and do great after the first volume was released and became a hit, that's my point.
One can only look at Samurai 8 to see how Jump believes in the TOC. When the series started, Jump was fully capitalizing on it due to obvious reasons, and that's reflected in the TOC. It started very high, never dropping below the upper card, moved down to the mid-card for a bit even with two colors and an LCP at Chapter 12), then nosedived from Chapter 13 onward down to just above the cancellation fodder, then finally slumped at the very bottom once those four were cleared out, with not a single new CP. In one pattern, you can tell Jump trying hard to push S8 as the new big thing, only to choose drop support for it once it became clear the reception wasn't what they wanted. Pretty simple, TBH.
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Because it's a gag manga? That's just the nature of the genre, no? Agree to disagree. The series started to majorly improve in it's rankings around chapter 7 well before volume 1 came out. The good sales followed the TOC rankings, not the other way around.
Are you forgetting the survey data? Jump's determinator for cancelling and launching series isn't a computer, it's a bunch of people who get together every two months and decide what to end and what to launch in its place.