Ur was probably on Erza's level at the beginning of the series given the similar hype they received. From what I can gather, Ur was getting stomped, which means Deliora would probably be able to do the same to Erza. Even if we peg Ur to be a tier below than what the series was selling, that still puts her around Natsu's level back then.
Assuming the hype was accurate, I don't think Kyouka can stomp that level unless she begins the fight going all out. Silver definitely can. Deliora's mindless but I don't think he was particularly weak, even compared to the demon gates.
Though he was definitely not on Mard Geer's level.
Kyouka is much stronger than beginning of series Erza. Erza got a significant power-up with second origin. And you're right. Kyouka probably doesn't stomp.
I'll repeat, the moment gildarts actually started trying he easily oneshot him. Those things above don't represent gildarts Actual power, that's just him throwing out casual physical attacks. Going by your logic because natsu and gray equally traded physical blows for 3 days they are equal at their strongest. Bluenote is not as strong as Gildarts. Not even close.
Jose level... LOL. You do realize that just being "wizard saint level" Doesn't mean you have to be the same strength right? And most of the struggle had nothing to do with power, it was just him talking lyon into not believing that was the real UR. As soon as he convinced him they beat her easily.
Neinharts durability is not his strongest stat. He got taken out by a grand chariot.
again You are comparing gray from one year ago to current natsu. Makes no sense. And again cutting someone in the abdomen and making them cough up blood is more damage than making them brown. you act like natsu defeated him or something but the guy was up literally a few pages later. And Skullion can turn his own body into ash. That's how he avoided taking hits. He turned the part that the sword hit into ash first then turned the rest of the ice into ash afterwards.
I'm not using POF anywhere. I'm saying if you take out the PoF and just look at how their power normally is then they are around the same level bar natsu combining his powerups.
Gildarts was pissed from the beginning, and it doesn't matter. Ur can't give Gildarts the fight that Bluenote did anyways. Ur is 100% weaker than Neinhart, whom Natsu beat.
You're right. Ur is not even Jose level. Ur didn't actually make it as a wizard saint, and Jose was actually outclassing Erza during Phantom. Ur is beginning of series Erza level at best. Natsu oneshots Makarov, and Makarov oneshotted Jose.
I'm not comparing Gray from a year ago to current Natsu. I'm comparing current Natsu to current Gray. Madmole has better durability than Skullion. Natsu did more damage to Madmole than Gray did to SKullion. Natsu also did more damage to Skullion than Gray did to Skullion. Skullion never turned his own body into ash against Gray. He never avoided Gray's attacks when they were fighting underwater. Gray hit him clean with zero longsword, and then Skullion turned it into ash.
If you take out the POF, then Gray didn't even beat Invel.
Yeah, and Erza was good enough to have become Wizard Saint too. Ur has the exact same hype as Erza. Jose is actually a wizard saint, and he was dominating Erza during Phantom Lord. Ur doesn't have his level of hype. Ur's honestly nowhere near Bluenote. Until Gildarts came along, Hades didn't think there was anything that could take Bluenote except himself.
Yeah, and Erza was good enough to have become Wizard Saint too. Ur has the exact same hype as Erza. Jose is actually a wizard saint, and he was dominating Erza during Phantom Lord. Ur doesn't have his level of hype. Ur's honestly nowhere near Bluenote. Until Gildarts came along, Hades didn't think there was anything that could take Bluenote except himself.
Bluenote can't give gildarts the fight that you think he can lol. Them exchaning physical blows doesn't mean much for these mages. Especially when gildarts beat him with one punch later one meaning he wasn't actually putting his power behind any of them.
Wizard saint is just a title. You don't have to be one to be as strong as one. And Again the moment gray and lyon got over their emotions of fighting their teacher they one shot her. What you are doing is like if I was to say that Erza is weak because she didn't one shot historia ikaruga. We don't even know how the neinharts magic affects the power of ppl that have much lower mp than him. Serena was not at full power because neinhart had made historias of 3 spriggans at once at the time, but that doesn't mean that's true for anyone else. And again I don't see how this matters when They one shot her the moment they got over their emotions. You know you are downplaying when are trying to say any person in team natsu has power on the same range as Jose.
You were though. You were saying that gray didn't do as much damage to invel as natsu did to madmole(he did but that's whatev). And again Skullion can turn his body into ash to avoid attacks. Doesn't matter how many times you say "He didn't do it" It's just not true. That's how he avoids taking damage. Natsu was able to hit skullion with his fist because wendy nullified his ability. b4 that natsu has his fire turned to ash just like gray had his Ice turned to ash.
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Imagine trying to downplay gray so much that you say natsu's Iron fist is stronger an Ice demon long sword. LoL. Might as well just convert to the church of Natsu since no one can be comparable to our lord and saviour natsu dragneel.
Those weren't just physical blows. You can literally see Gildart's crash magic smashing everything to bits in the images I posted. Gildarts beat him with his named finisher. Mind you, Bluenote has actual hype going for him. Hades didn't consider there to be anybody that could take on Bluenote until Gildarts arrived. Even if you think Gildarts is much stronger, the fact that Hades is saying this means that he's placing Bluenote above everyone else he knows. Ur's hype as being a wizard saint is the only hype she has. There's no other reason to assume she's strong.
Ur was overpowering Gray's ice-make attacks, and that's just a fact. Make all the excuses you want about their emotions, but Gray had to resort to using Ice Devil's zero longsword. Natsu oneshotted Bluenote with a regular roar, and then two-shotted enchanted Neinhart with regular punches as well. No matter how you spin it, Natsu simply had better feats than Gray. I'm not saying Gray is in the same power range as Jose. I am saying Ur is, and that Gray can't beat Ur without resorting to his devil slaying magic. I'm saying if you replaced Gray with Natsu in that fight, Natsu would pick up Lyon by the collar of his shirt (like he did with Chelia) and roar Ur off the face of the planet. Then run over to where Neinhart is, and troll the heck out of him.
Skullion can turn his body into ash. He didn't against Gray's zero longsword. We know he didn't do it against Gray, because it was not how he chose to avoid taking damage from Gray's attacks. Skullion didn't turn himself to ash to avoid Gray's attacks. He turned Gray's attacks into ash instead, and when Gray blitzed him with zero longsword he got hit cleanly. You are confusing Skullion's ability to turn himself into ash with his ability to turn other things into ash.
Natsu's iron fist is stronger than ice-devil's zero longsword. It has better feats. It did more damage to Skullion than zero longsword did. It also knocked out Neinhart in two shots, whereas zero longsword couldn't do the same to Invel. And don't give me this nonsense about Neinahrt having poor durability. That's literally never stated once. Neinhart got beat by Grand Chariot, sure. So what? Jellal is one of the strongest characters in the series, and Grand Chariot is his signature spell. It's the same attack he used to finish his combo with Acnologia, and the same attack Acnologia chose to eat before turning into his dragon form.
na man, my hate is reaction. it will go down only after the wank goes down
sorry, i meant laxus can causally one shot fh zeref and rot aconologia at the same time, that answer i am sure you can understand
Gray did freeze Skullion. When he hit him with zero longsword. It wasn't to prevent him from turning into ash though. It was just to defeat him.
Sure, Jose complimented Erza on his power and Jellal considered Erza strong enough to make it as a wizard saint. Doesn't change the fact that Jose still considers himself stronger than Erza, and on Makarov's level. There are levels amongst the Wizard Saints. Bluenote actually has better hype than most Wizard Saints. Hades considers him so strong that he didn't think anyone except himself can beat him, until they met Gildarts. That would honestly put Bluenote leagues above Jose, whom Makarov stomped.
Sure, but that's not what Sharkai is arguing here. He's saying that we're wanking Laxus for assuming he's stronger in the beginning at all. He's also implying Laxus only won because Erza held back and that her weakest attack can match his strongest.
Erza had marginally better feats than Natsu compared to Laxus. Natsu may not have surpassed Erza until Alvarez, but he was trailing just behind her.
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laxus was marginally stronger than erza always. that is why markrov and mystogan made that statement. that is why, there is no where in the manga stating clearly that laxus is stronger than erza.
no, when people imply erza gave laxus extreme diff because of kiria, i make the claim that laxus won because erza held back.
that is valid point, while i have no problem saying laxus>= erza. i am not gonna upgrade her weakest attack to her strongest just for this. reiko as far as we know is laxus strongest. neigther makes me refuse laxus>=erza
Erza had marginally better feats than Natsu compared to Laxus. Natsu may not have surpassed Erza until Alvarez, but he was trailing just behind her.
lol, we have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get laxus> erza portrayal but ignore natsu sh!tting himself when erza walks in. or when gray and natsu have to tag team erza in those funny brawl and still get overpowered.
marginally better, lol
blinded aria low diffing natsu
full powered aria get one shot by wrecked erza
yes this definitely marginally better
or racer being enough to take out natsu gray and three fodders but erza required racer, cobra and sneak attack from hot eye to put her down. lol definitely marginally better
that is why i call your wank. you have complete different standard for laxus compared to erza. if you use the same standard laxus and erza that you use for erza and natsu you would end up with something silliy like
erza is marginally stronger than natsu
and
laxus is five tiers below erza
We're not making the gap bigger than what it is. At the beginning of the series, Laxus was decently more powerful than Erza. He would have soloed Phantom Lord, and that's not just him hyping himself up. Gajeel called him a monster and was scared at the prospect of him being involved in the Phantom Lord war, and Gajeel was the strongest in that guild other than Jose. He had the feats to back it up too. He basically 2 shotted Gajeel with a roar and a heavenward halberd, and then had enough power to cast Fairy Law. If Laxus had been around during Phantom Lord, he would have soloed Jose and Gajeel in combat alone, and then Fairy Law would have been overkill.
sh!t claim
only reason erza didnt solo that guild is because of jupiter cannon. even then, erza one shot full powered aria, held jose for as long as natsu and gajeel fought. and if i remember erza was unconscious before even fighting jose.
During Tenrou, it was Laxus' magic power that allowed Natsu to do everything he did against Hades. His magic power gave Natsu a power-up that was comparable to when he ate Etherion, and Natsu would have beaten Hades if not for the Grimoire Heart. Laxus could have just as easily kept his magic power for himself and kept fighting. We know this because despite giving Natsu all of his MP and then being hit by Hade's blast, Laxus was still able to get back up and punch Hades. He didn't have the guild mark either, so Tenrou tree didn't restore his MP.
Sh!t comparison, because you dont know what would happen if full powered erza gave her powers to natsu
getting up is something that generally happens in fairy tail
During GMG, Mirajane commented about how she's uncertain if both herself and Erza combined can take down Jura. Laxus isn't uncertain. He knows he can solo Jura. Honestly, it's pretty clear that there was a signficiant gap between Laxus and Erza the start of the series. Erza may have closed the gap during the GMG arc by receiving 2nd origin, but Laxus still edges her out.
erza also wasnt uncertain either
minerva literally put kagura and jura in the same list of not approachable
and markarov thought ajeel > fairy tail
i dont see you going around claiming nienhart > laxus
but shouldnt forget what they had left.
they fought for a long time. most of their mp were already spent.
maybe they expended the most mp in the last attack, sure, but not like 60 or 70%
so that statement is purely false
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laxus was marginally stronger than erza always. that is why markrov and mystogan made that statement. that is why, there is no where in the manga stating clearly that laxus is stronger than erza.
no, when people imply erza gave laxus extreme diff because of kiria, i make the claim that laxus won because erza held back.
that is valid point, while i have no problem saying laxus>= erza. i am not gonna upgrade her weakest attack to her strongest just for this. reiko as far as we know is laxus strongest. neigther makes me refuse laxus>=erza
Erza had marginally better feats than Natsu compared to Laxus. Natsu may not have surpassed Erza until Alvarez, but he was trailing just behind her.
lol, we have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get laxus> erza portrayal but ignore natsu sh!tting himself when erza walks in. or when gray and natsu have to tag team erza in those funny brawl and still get overpowered.
marginally better, lol
blinded aria low diffing natsu
full powered aria get one shot by wrecked erza
yes this definitely marginally better
or racer being enough to take out natsu gray and three fodders but erza required racer, cobra and sneak attack from hot eye to put her down. lol definitely marginally better
that is why i call your wank. you have complete different standard for laxus compared to erza. if you use the same standard laxus and erza that you use for erza and natsu you would end up with something silliy like
erza is marginally stronger than natsu
and
laxus is five tiers below erza
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sh!t claim
only reason erza didnt solo that guild is because of jupiter cannon. even then, erza one shot full powered aria, held jose for as long as natsu and gajeel fought. and if i remember erza was unconscious before even fighting jose.
Sh!t comparison, because you dont know what would happen if full powered erza gave her powers to natsu
getting up is something that generally happens in fairy tail
erza also wasnt uncertain either
minerva literally put kagura and jura in the same list of not approachable
and markarov thought ajeel > fairy tail
i dont see you going around claiming nienhart > laxus
isnt erza natsu biggest fan
laxus just recently said he has no powers, o well guess levy> laxus now
Laxus spending MP to beat Kyria is a perfectly legitimate argument. He would have had more MP had he not fought Kyria earlier, and MP made the difference in this fight. Erza holding back against Laxus isn't, because she used up all her power. It's demonstrably false. Imagine if two professional boxers collapsed, and the guy who fell first claimed they held back during the fight because the other guy got up faster.
Yes, Erza is only marginably better than Natsu. Natsu hadn't unleashed his powers when he fought Aria. Erza told him to release his power, and when Natsu did so he beat Gajeel. Happy even noted that he's never seen Natsu this strong before. Then Erza made her comments about how Natsu was either on par or stronger than her.
You think Erza was going to solo Phantom Lord? Okay there. Right. Laxus fans are the ones wanking here.
Kagura isn't on Jura's level. Minerva chose to go after Kagura and Erza herself, and did pretty well until Erza released second origin. Orga was the strongest of Sabertooth anyways, and Jura oneshotted him.
Again, Makarov didn't see the guild for an entire year. He had no idea how strong some of them got. Not the same as Mirajane, whose known Erza for all her life. Mirajane should have an excellent idea of how strong Erza was without second origin.
Laxus didn't say he has no powers. He just think of himself as weak. He doesn't think Levy is stronger than him.
Happy made that statement before Natsu even fought Laxus.
Mystogan never fought Erza, but he proved that he can put her to sleep.
There is no real difference between pre-timeskip Erza and Erza without second origin. Which means Erza without second origin is weaker than Laxus in all stats.
Still not addressing how Mirajane lacks confidence that she and Erza combined can take Jura, whom Laxus beat. Just excuses like "villain hype", as if that's supposed to mean something.
Lmao....How are you not getting this? Erza exhausted herself against Laxus and collapsed. Laxus did more to Erza than any of her previous opponents except for Irene, and that's just a fact. If you don't think the final imperial red lightning was what caused Erza to use the most MP to match, then it just means that Laxus other attacks did the job.
unbeliveable
phatom arc
s class were compared to s class. in other way juvia or aria was hyped to laxus level
7 kin. markrov thought natsu cant take anyone
gmg sting = gmg natsu
springgan >>> fairy tail
all are hypes of the enemies and all are false. happy hype if it happens in ff arc, comes here along with mira hype Happy made that statement before Natsu even fought Laxus.
happy based this hype on some offscreen fight between laxus and natsu, where he crushed him very fast, its in the panel you provided
yes, and mystogan can put unexpecting erza who has no freed runes to sleep. in similiar news brandish can create a huge in hole in august and aria can nearly kill marakrov
that is correct
erza without SO is weaker than laxus with three months training
which however doesnt translate to tenrou laxus>> tenrou erza
because @Seven777 didnt say laxus. he literally said reiko did more than kyouka, or ajeel or azuma. just one reiko. do you really thing erza HW had 80% of her mp in it?
Except you know, Makarov saying that only Laxus had the power to bring Natsu back by force. Also Happy stating that Laxus was the strongest in the guild after Gildarts. Also Laxus outscoring Erza on every stat on the guild cards. You know....Everything I just mentioned.
Laxus spending MP to beat Kyria is a perfectly legitimate argument. He would have had more MP had he not fought Kyria earlier, and MP made the difference in this fight. Erza holding back against Laxus isn't, because she used up all her power. It's demonstrably false.
Yes, Erza is only marginably better than Natsu. Natsu hadn't unleashed his powers when he fought Aria. Erza herself told him to. He did so and beat Gajeel. Happy even noted that he's never seen Natsu this strong before. Then Erza made her comments about how Natsu was either on par or stronger than her.
You think Erza was going to solo Phantom Lord? Okay there. Right. Laxus fans are the ones wanking here.
Kagura isn't on Jura's level. Minerva chose to go after Kagura and Erza herself, and did pretty well until Erza released second origin. Orga was the strongest of Sabertooth anyways, and Jura oneshotted him.
Again....Makarov didn't see the guild for an entire year. Not the same as Mirajane, whose known Erza for all her life and was at one point rivals.
Laxus didn't say he has no powers. He just think of himself as weak. He doesn't think Levy is stronger than him.
Except you know, Makarov saying that only Laxus had the power to bring Natsu back by force.
but markarov also said erza could take him Also Happy stating that Laxus was the strongest in the guild after Gildarts.
even he said probably, and also said why Also Laxus outscoring Erza on every stat on the guild cards.
that was laxus with three month training vs tenrou erza stats
Yes, Erza is only marginably better than Natsu. Natsu hadn't unleashed his powers when he fought Aria. Erza herself told him to. He did so and beat Gajeel. Happy even noted that he's never seen Natsu this strong before. Then Erza made her comments about how Natsu was either on par or stronger than her.
so if natsu get taken out by one character
and erza can one shot that character
that means marginally, ok
please show me two character, each of them low diffing erza. and then laxus one shot both of them both in one hit
fun fact, aria wasnt also using full power, another erza was already wrecked. but keep on making power levels where one character can jump three four tiers in one arc. and no one even mention it after that event.
You think Erza was going to solo Phantom Lord? Okay there. Right. Laxus fans are the ones wanking here.
yep laxus fans wank alot
and its not like laxus can even survive the jupiter cannon
you would again like to compare wrecked erza vs full powered laxus.
Kagura isn't on Jura's level. Minerva chose to go after Kagura and Erza herself, and did pretty well until Erza released second origin. Orga was the strongest of Sabertooth anyways, and Jura oneshotted him.
wasnt jura shocked by that god war spell, didnt he say someone like that is here?
judging by that statement miniver>ogra
especially since jura already saw ogra strongest attack in MPF competiton
and jura one shot ogra in a surprise attack
while i donot think kagura= jura but minerva did put them on the same list
Again....Makarov didn't see the guild for an entire year. Not the same as Mirajane, whose known Erza for all her life and was at one point rivals.
and mirajane hasnt seen erza in action since forever and also those three months
Laxus didn't say he has no powers. He just think of himself as weak. He doesn't think Levy is stronger than him.
he literally says power, he has non of that
Laxus spending MP to beat Kyria is a perfectly legitimate argument. He would have had more MP had he not fought Kyria earlier, and MP made the difference in this fight. Erza holding back against Laxus isn't, because she used up all her power. It's demonstrably false.
erza holding back is perfectly legitimate argument too
laxus is friend, why would erza try to seriously harm him, costing erza some serious mp here. basically instead of going for hit which would cause laxus sever injuries, erza deliberately tried not seriously harm him
in the process of holding back, laxus got plenty of free hits. costing erza injuries.
unbeliveable
phatom arc
s class were compared to s class. in other way juvia or aria was hyped to laxus level
7 kin. markrov thought natsu cant take anyone
gmg sting = gmg natsu
springgan >>> fairy tail
all are hypes of the enemies and all are false. happy hype if it happens in ff arc, comes here along with mira hype Happy made that statement before Natsu even fought Laxus.
happy based this hype on some offscreen fight between laxus and natsu, where he crushed him very fast, its in the panel you provided
yes, and mystogan can put unexpecting erza who has no freed runes to sleep. in similiar news brandish can create a huge in hole in august and aria can nearly kill marakrov
that is correct
erza without SO is weaker than laxus with three months training
which however doesnt translate to tenrou laxus>> tenrou erza
because @Seven777 didnt say laxus. he literally said reiko did more than kyouka, or ajeel or azuma. just one reiko. do you really thing erza HW had 80% of her mp in it?
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Except you know, Makarov saying that only Laxus had the power to bring Natsu back by force.
but markarov also said erza could take him Also Happy stating that Laxus was the strongest in the guild after Gildarts.
even he said probably, and also said why Also Laxus outscoring Erza on every stat on the guild cards.
that was laxus with three month training vs tenrou erza stats
Yes, Erza is only marginably better than Natsu. Natsu hadn't unleashed his powers when he fought Aria. Erza herself told him to. He did so and beat Gajeel. Happy even noted that he's never seen Natsu this strong before. Then Erza made her comments about how Natsu was either on par or stronger than her.
so if natsu get taken out by one character
and erza can one shot that character
that means marginally, ok
please show me two character, each of them low diffing erza. and then laxus one shot both of them both in one hit
fun fact, aria wasnt also using full power, another erza was already wrecked. but keep on making power levels where one character can jump three four tiers in one arc.
You think Erza was going to solo Phantom Lord? Okay there. Right. Laxus fans are the ones wanking here.
yep laxus fans wank alot
and its not like laxus can even survive the jupiter cannon
Kagura isn't on Jura's level. Minerva chose to go after Kagura and Erza herself, and did pretty well until Erza released second origin. Orga was the strongest of Sabertooth anyways, and Jura oneshotted him.
wasnt jura shocked by that god war spell, didnt he say someone like that is here?
judging by that statement miniver>ogra
especially since jura already saw ogra strongest attack in MPF competiton
and jura one shot ogra in a surprise attack
while i donot think kagura= jura but minerva did put them on the same list
Again....Makarov didn't see the guild for an entire year. Not the same as Mirajane, whose known Erza for all her life and was at one point rivals.
and mirajane hasnt seen erza in action since forever and also those three months
Laxus didn't say he has no powers. He just think of himself as weak. He doesn't think Levy is stronger than him.
he literally says power, he has non of that
Laxus spending MP to beat Kyria is a perfectly legitimate argument. He would have had more MP had he not fought Kyria earlier, and MP made the difference in this fight. Erza holding back against Laxus isn't, because she used up all her power. It's demonstrably false.
erza holding back is perfectly legitimate argument too
laxus is friend, why would erza try to seriously harm him, costing erza some serious mp here. basically instead of going for hit which would cause laxus sever injuries, erza deliberately tried not seriously harm him
in the process of holding back, laxus got plenty of free hits. costing erza injuries.
And did the Harvest Festival disprove that Laxus was the strongest after Gildarts? No it didn't. It ended with Gajeel and Natsu both looking like they got into a car crash, and Gajeel calling Laxus a monster that he wouldn't have wanted to fight during Phantom.
Oh you mean that Laxus and Natsu actually had a serious fight prior to Phantom Lord? Where Laxus crushed Natsu in an instant? Oh, I missed that. I guess...Thank you? That's final proof that Laxus is stronger than Erza. Because Happy saw Natsu fight Erza too, and Natsu wasn't crushed in an instant. I guess we have direct confirmation that Laxus > Erza now. Happy saw Laxus crush Natsu in an instant. Then he saw Natsu fight Erza, and Erza didn't crush Natsu in an instant. Happy naturally came to conclusion that Laxus is stronger.
Like I said, Natsu got stronger after facing Aria. Erza literally told him to release the power sleeping inside him. He did so, and beat a guy even stronger than Aria. When he did so, Erza claimed that Natsu was either on par or stronger than him. It's no wonder you don't think anyone has been portraying Laxus as stronger than Erza. You literally ignore every statement by every character that has ever been made. Also it doesn't really matter if Aria held back, because Gajeel is still stronger than him.
Oh you think Laxus would die to Jupiter? So Erza can tank attacks that would downright kill Laxus? Ok.
Orga didn't use his strongest attack on the MPF. Orga's strongest attack was the one he was trying to use on Jura, but Jura just oneshotted him.
Erza used up all of her power. You can't use up all of your power, collapse from exhaustion, and then claim you held back lol. Imagine if two boxers collapsed, and the guy who collapsed first claimed that he held back. You don't get to make claims of holding back if you're absolutely exhausted.
And did the Harvest Festival disprove that Laxus was the strongest after Gildarts? No it didn't. It ended with Gajeel and Natsu both looking like they got into a car crash, and Gajeel calling Laxus a monster that he wouldn't have wanted to fight during Phantom.
lol
two other candidates for the second strongest was erza and mystogan. did laxus crush erza and mystogan, wait mishma interrupted both these fight in stalemate. damn you were close. i wonder why mishma didnt have laxus stomp erza?
Oh you mean that Laxus and Natsu actually had a serious fight prior to Phantom Lord? Where Laxus crushed Natsu in an instant? Oh, I missed that. I guess...Thank you? That's final proof that Laxus is stronger than Erza. Because Happy saw Natsu fight Erza too.
Natsu wasn't crushed in an instant. I guess we have direct confirmation that Laxus > Erza now. Happy saw Laxus crush Natsu in an instant. Then he saw Natsu fight Erza, and Erza didn't crush Natsu in an instant. Happy naturally came to conclusion that Laxus is stronger.
nice try, i have already answered this
laxus=bully
erza=big strict sister
so a good example. you go to a martial art club, its your first day. the teacher makes you fight him/her. he beats you relentlessly infront of everyone. makes you sh!t yourself. breaks your leg. and sends you back
not a very good teacher is he/she
this would break you. you will most likely not join that club
this exactly what a bully (laxus) would do.
erza while wont go soft on natsu, she aint gonna break him. she would give him a chance. not unlike she gave juvia and lissana a chance, they werent knocked out, but gave up themselves.
your example proves laxus>>natsu
maybe a hint of laxus>=erza
but nothing more. again villian hype, so should remember that
Like I said, Natsu got stronger after facing Aria. Erza literally told him to release the power sleeping inside him. He did so, and beat a guy even stronger than Aria. When he did so, Erza claimed that Natsu was either on par or stronger than him. It's no wonder you don't think anyone has been portraying Laxus as stronger than Erza. You literally ignore every statement by every character that has ever been made.
um ignore. arent you ignoring plenty of time erza one shot natsu. arent you happily ignoring mystogan and markarov statement. arent you ignoring that aria wasnt using his full power, arent you ignoring wrecked erza one shotiing aria.
face it erza>>>natsu is something you saw alot before the first time skip.
you have no problem ignoring all of it
for measily one or two of your statements
just for your knowledge markarov also thought if natsu unleashed his true powers he might be able to handle laxus.
Oh you think Laxus would die to Jupiter? So Erza can tank attacks that would downright kill Laxus? Ok.
Orga didn't use his strongest attack on the MPF. Orga's strongest attack was the one he was trying to use on Jura, but Jura just oneshotted him.
Erza used up all of her power. You can't use up all of your power, collapse from exhaustion, and then claim you held back lol. Imagine if two boxers collapsed, and the guy who collapsed first claimed that he held back. You don't get to make claims of holding back if you're absolutely exhausted.
while i have no problem in saying ff laxus>=ff erza
but durablity of admantine erza >> laxus durability
Orga didn't use his strongest attack on the MPF. Orga's strongest attack was the one he was trying to use on Jura, but Jura just oneshotted him.
proof please. also i need a lengthy explanation why orga didnt do his best in MPF
yes, orga challenged jura to take his attack head on. jura said ok. orga attacked, jura side stepped the beam and suprised ko orga
Erza used up all of her power. You can't use up all of your power, collapse from exhaustion, and then claim you held back lol. Imagine if two boxers collapsed, and the guy who collapsed first claimed that he held back. You don't get to make claims of holding back if you're absolutely exhausted.
laxus claimed it first
two, nice boxers example
now change that example
one boxer hands are tied for first five minutes. gets beaten up, used his stamina dodging. and then untied his hands and then both fight till exhaustion.
this is more accurate example
I'm not saying Gray is in the same power range as Jose. I am saying Ur is, and that Gray can't beat Ur without resorting to his devil slaying magic. I'm saying if you replaced Gray with Natsu in that fight, Natsu would pick up Lyon by the collar of his shirt (like he did with Chelia) and roar Ur off the face of the planet. Then run over to where Neinhart is, and troll the heck out of him.
Broadly I agree with your assesment, but I think you're wrong about scaling Historia to alive characters
I think Historia Ul is far stronger than alive Ul, because it was powered by Neinhart.
Neinhart's historia are powered by his magic power, which was why Azuma, Ikaruga and Kyouka low-mid diff'd Erza in a 3 vs 1. I don't think the excuse of Erza being not being her peak holds here, because she was in a far worse shape when she faced Eileen.
Erza faced Neinhart after a day of being healed by Wendy from Ajeel's fight.
Neinhart fucked her up far worse than Ajeel did, and Erza got healed again for a day. Then she faced enchanted Alverez soldiers who injured her by quite a bit, and then Natsu & Gray fucked up both her arms. Even if Wendy healed her arms before Eileen fight (which I believe she did), they were not completely healed and those injured hands were shown in fight against Eileen. Erza, by faar, was more injured and tired against Eileen than against Neinhart.
So Neinhart's 3 historia, combined, at least scales above that.
Neinhart is definitely (IMO) top 6 among Spriggans in terms of pure magic power, even if he's fodder in stats.
I think this is how Neinhart spread his magic power among Historia, in Hargeon. With the generic rule : put enough magic power in the historia to match or overwhelm the opponents. The only Historia in Hargeon, that I don't see being it's peak, is that of Hades. The rest of the Historia were SURELY buffed IMO
In Alverez reunion after Eileen's country shaping magic, I'm pretty sure than Neinhart could've made Bradman or Wahl above their peak if he really concentrated on creating only one of them; and Serena at probably 70% of his full power if Neinhart created only Serena.
no, i just believe laxus and erza didnt change much relative to each other
ff laxus>=ff erza
gmg laxus>=ff erza
current laxus>= current erza
na man, my hate is reaction. it will go down only after the wank goes down
sorry, i meant laxus can causally one shot fh zeref and rot aconologia at the same time, that answer i am sure you can understand
Not really an answer either. Do you think Erzas “weakest” offense is on par with Laxus’ “strongest” offense, and if so how far above Laxus is Erzas strongest offense?
Not really an answer either. Do you think Erzas “weakest” offense is on par with Laxus’ “strongest” offense, and if so how far above Laxus is Erzas strongest offense?
i have absolutely no idea man
what i know
erza weakest attack is HW.
it is as strong as laxus roar atleast back before the first time skip
that is when erza one shot aria with it
till then it has zero good feats
just because of the latest fight, i am not changing anything. because i have general idea it will still amount to nothing
but other than this silly problem mishma had thrown our way
i would say
laxus strongest move = erza strongest move
laxus above erza only because of his stamina
speed, offence, durablity plus endurance is about the same
