Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Broadly I agree with your assesment, but I think you're wrong about scaling Historia to alive characters

I think Historia Ul is far stronger than alive Ul, because it was powered by Neinhart.

Neinhart's historia are powered by his magic power, which was why Azuma, Ikaruga and Kyouka low-mid diff'd Erza in a 3 vs 1. I don't think the excuse of Erza being not being her peak holds here, because she was in a far worse shape when she faced Eileen.
Erza faced Neinhart after a day of being healed by Wendy from Ajeel's fight.
Neinhart fucked her up far worse than Ajeel did, and Erza got healed again for a day. Then she faced enchanted Alverez soldiers who injured her by quite a bit, and then Natsu & Gray fucked up both her arms. Even if Wendy healed her arms before Eileen fight (which I believe she did), they were not completely healed and those injured hands were shown in fight against Eileen. Erza, by faar, was more injured and tired against Eileen than against Neinhart.
So Neinhart's 3 historia, combined, at least scales above that.

Neinhart is definitely (IMO) top 6 among Spriggans in terms of pure magic power, even if he's fodder in stats.

I think this is how Neinhart spread his magic power among Historia, in Hargeon. With the generic rule : put enough magic power in the historia to match or overwhelm the opponents. The only Historia in Hargeon, that I don't see being it's peak, is that of Hades. The rest of the Historia were SURELY buffed IMO

In Alverez reunion after Eileen's country shaping magic, I'm pretty sure than Neinhart could've made Bradman or Wahl above their peak if he really concentrated on creating only one of them; and Serena at probably 70% of his full power if Neinhart created only Serena.

I don't really see the Historia of being stronger than the originals, because of what Gildarts said about God Serena not having any living magic. Though even if they were, it doesn't really change my position. Irene enchanted Neinhart with so much power than Brandish's magic can no longer affect him. This was so that he can personally hunt down Erza by himself. There's no way he's weaker than just one of his Historia.

I agree that Neinhart is above most of the Spriggans when it comes to MP, though that's largely due to Irene's enchantments. I don't rank his durability that low either. He's no worse than Brandish.

 

[Ramen]

shouldnt forget what they had left.
they fought for a long time. most of their mp were already spent.
maybe they expended the most mp in the last attack, sure, but not like 60 or 70%
so that statement is purely false

How is it false, that was clearly the last attack they were going for.

 

[WoWfan]

Including injuries

 

[Seven777]

laxus strongest move = erza strongest move
laxus above erza only because of his stamina

speed, offence, durablity plus endurance is about the same

no pof included obviously

That's fine. I disagree, but it's at least not ludicrous

I'd say stamina is by far Erza's strongest stat, so it being the one stat Laxus beats her in seems incredibly unlikely.
I'd say
Offense - Laxus>Erza
Endurance/Stamina - Erza>Laxus
Durability - Laxus>Erza
Speed - Erza = Laxus

 

[Ramen]

Including injuries

Yes weve already clarified that

 

[WoWfan]

Just wanted to remind you of it

 

[Axiomus]

lol
two other candidates for the second strongest was erza and mystogan. did laxus crush erza and mystogan, wait mishma interrupted both these fight in stalemate. damn you were close. i wonder why mishma didnt have laxus stomp erza?


nice try, i have already answered this
laxus=bully
erza=big strict sister

so a good example. you go to a martial art club, its your first day. the teacher makes you fight him/her. he beats you relentlessly infront of everyone. makes you sh!t yourself. breaks your leg. and sends you back
not a very good teacher is he/she
this would break you. you will most likely not join that club
this exactly what a bully (laxus) would do.
erza while wont go soft on natsu, she aint gonna break him. she would give him a chance. not unlike she gave juvia and lissana a chance, they werent knocked out, but gave up themselves.

your example proves laxus>>natsu
maybe a hint of laxus>=erza
but nothing more. again villian hype, so should remember that
um ignore. arent you ignoring plenty of time erza one shot natsu. arent you happily ignoring mystogan and markarov statement. arent you ignoring that aria wasnt using his full power, arent you ignoring wrecked erza one shotiing aria.
face it erza>>>natsu is something you saw alot before the first time skip.
you have no problem ignoring all of it
for measily one or two of your statements


just for your knowledge markarov also thought if natsu unleashed his true powers he might be able to handle laxus.


while i have no problem in saying ff laxus>=ff erza
but durablity of admantine erza >> laxus durability

Orga didn't use his strongest attack on the MPF. Orga's strongest attack was the one he was trying to use on Jura, but Jura just oneshotted him.

proof please. also i need a lengthy explanation why orga didnt do his best in MPF
yes, orga challenged jura to take his attack head on. jura said ok. orga attacked, jura side stepped the beam and suprised ko orga


Erza used up all of her power. You can't use up all of your power, collapse from exhaustion, and then claim you held back lol. Imagine if two boxers collapsed, and the guy who collapsed first claimed that he held back. You don't get to make claims of holding back if you're absolutely exhausted.

laxus claimed it first
two, nice boxers example
now change that example
one boxer hands are tied for first five minutes. gets beaten up, used his stamina dodging. and then untied his hands and then both fight till exhaustion.
this is more accurate example

The other candidate was Mystogan, who was able to easily put to sleep Erza but not Laxus. Erza was never really hyped as the strongest after Gildarts.

When has Erza oneshotted Natsu? Also if Erza has oneshotted Natsu and Happy was there to witness it, you just defeated your own argument. Your entire argument is that Happy is biased towards Laxus because he oneshotted Natsu. If Happy also witnessed Erza oneshotting Natsu, then he has absolutely no reason to be biased. If anything, he would favour Erza because they're closer. At the end of the day, Happy simply made the claim that Laxus was the strongest after Gildarts. That's portrayal.

Makarov thought that Natsu had a chance if he went absolutely all out. He's probably right. Natsu had a very slim chance. Doesn't change the fact that Laxus still managed to beat the breaks off of both Gajeel and Natsu (categorically better than beating Aria btw), and then use Fairy Law (which would have oneshotted Jose). I'm not ignoring the fact that Aria wasn't using his full power. Aria used his full power, lost to Erza, and then Jose the Guildmaster said that Gajeel was the strongest man in Phantom Lord anyways. Gajeel is stronger than Aria, and when Natsu awakened his powers he beat Gajeel. Erza then said that Natsu was equal or stronger than her. You don't want to believe her? Fine. Doesn't change the fact it's what Erza thinks.

Spoiler

Your analogy is terrible. Natsu joined the guild because of Makarov, and he's the one going around picking fights with people. Laxus beat him once, and then pretty much just refuses to fight him because he thinks Natsu is too weak. In reality, Erza has probably bullied Natsu more than Laxus ever did. Laxus doesn't even bother with people. Also, if I stepped into a gym and the instructor isn't able to tap and humble me, I'd find a different gym. It's better to find a place that doesn't cuddle you.

Makarov is able to block Jupiter canons with his forearms. You really think that Laxus is going die from it? Abyss Break is supposed to be even more powerful than Jupiter Canon, and it's powered by the MP of the Element 4. Adamantium armour was broken by Kagura without even unsheathing her sword. The MP that Laxus gave to Natsu made his roar several times stronger than Jupiter. It practically would have defeated Hades if not for his Grimoire Heart. I don't just think Laxus can survive Jupiter. I think if Laxus expelled all of his MP in a roar as powerful as LFD roar he'd downright overpower the Jupiter canon, destroy their walking guild, and defeat anyone weaker than Hades standing inside that guild. Which is everyone.

Spoiler: LFD roar

Spoiler: Jupiter

Orga didn't use his best attack on the MPF because he didn't want to waste power, and probably didn't see anyone except Jura as a real threat. He used enough power to outclass pretty much everyone but Jura and Cana. Against Jura he spent more time charging up his attack, and it blasted an entire building. But honestly, it wouldn't have mattered if Orga's attack was his strongest or not. Jura would have oneshotted Orga regardless, and Orga is still considered the most powerful wizard in Sabertooth.

Spoiler

Anyways, Jura is stronger than Kagura and Minerva. You know how Jura was being portrayed as during GMG? Makarov thinks he'd be a good match for Gildarts. Even if he's not, Jura should give Bluenote at least as good of a fight as Bluenote did. Minerva would cry her eyeballs out if Gildarts so much as flexed on her lol. Her demonized form is weaker than Jiemma's demonized form, and Jiemma got shredded by Sting and Rogue.

Spoiler

Maybe Erza held back at the beginning of the fight. She obviously went all out towards the end, she still exhausted her power. You're claiming she only lost because she held back. That's simply false. She went all out towards the end, and lost. Once again, your analogy is terrible. Say I fight someone, and I don't try very hard in the first few rounds and get punished because of it. Then I go all out in the later rounds, gas out, and collapse before my opponent does. If I said that I won the fight because I got punished for not trying in the first few rounds, my coach would disown me.

 

[WoWfan]

Let us all agree that Laxus Extremely High Diff Erza in the end.

 

[GL_Nova]

sigh
you really dont see it, do you?
happy says laxus is probably second strongest because of his fight with natsu. its not 100% for even happy
first its a villian, i think this is from ff arc, villian hype is bs, normally meant to create suspense, nothing more. it was not just for springgans, but also for 7 kins. markrov was sure natsu counldnt beat zancrow. it means nothing more. that is jura hype as well, mira saw jura and made that claim. this is no difference than springgans ajeel vs fairy tail hype. you yourself will never believe if it wasnt for your special character laxus.
marakrov seems to have forgotten mystogan to bring back natsu, eventually i think sends erza, to bring back everyone

seriously! unbelievable
yes, pre skip erza stats vs gmg laxus stats
this is not pre skip erza stats vs pre skip laxus stats

please show me where it was proven that SO is better boost than three months training. shadow rouge says natsu above gajeel could mean natsu>gajeel but does not mean SO>three months


mystaogan cant even put erza to sleep in a fight. the interaction showed laxus like to boost about himself. nothing more. laxus wasnt actually shown awake when mystogan was present, he made that claim. he did background research on mystogan, he knew who mystogan was. he also had freed, who could actually help laxus here. mystagon in particular didnt want erza to find out, so most likely targeted her the most. but of course in your view, mystogan used to come to the guild and chat with sleepy marakrov about edolas, and that is how laxus found out.

Including one you did not address: Mirajane lacks confidence that she and Erza combined can take on Jura, whom Laxus beat.
no difference than any villian hype, marakrov didnt want natsu to fight zancrow, or fairy tail to fight against ajeel. if in gmg laxus was swapped with erza, nothing would change.

but i dont need to talk about any of these hypes, because erza has better feats than laxus and marakrov already stated that erza could take laxus back in ff arc, and mystogan also implied the same

Saying red lightning did more to Erza than any of Erza's previous opponents except for Irene is not wank.
yes it is, because reiko did nothing to erza. both she and laxus exhausted them self throughout the fight. so its a pure wank

Saying that you would be happy if Laxus gave Gildarts an extreme diff is not wank.
but implication is clear. this point implies that gap between pre ts laxus and gildart is same as the non existant gap between pre ts laxus and pre ts erza

Wank is pretending that Erza held back against Laxus because Laxus' wounds healed quickly
lol, i was literally trolling mate

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na man its proven
reiko did more to erza than ajeel did, or those historia did or kyouko did

This is the point were normal folk would agree to disagree, especially as you’ve clearly made the decision to look for flaws in Laxus. Luckily this is for folks who wanna spend they free time debating this verse.

Laxus at this point having the feats and hype to be the unquestionably second strongest mage in FT isn’t crazy. You just wrote a really long post to attempt to debunk the manga itself for portraying Laxus as superior to Erza the entire manga. He has consistently taken on opponents that have been compared him to Gildarts not the rest. Juvia didn’t even think they could take Laxus. Erza’s speech and her entire commentary during the fight was astonishment at Laxus’ overwhelming power. I’m not making that up, it’s her words. You think she closed the gap in Alvarez. Ok. I think the set up of her and Gildarts vs Irene and August was Erza’s proper introduction into that tier myself. Mashima is very purposeful with his narrative in the fights at least. Just like this one answers the question he stirred up with that pairing. I can easily see why the best we could hope for with Laxus is getting some kind of symbolic victory from Gildarts.

 

[Ramen]

Yea...Laxus still has quite a bit before he makes it to Gildarts.

Updated FT Ranking:

1)Gildarts

2) Laxus
3)Erza/Natsu

4)Mira/Gajeel
5)Gray
6)Elfman
7)The others

If Natsu was to start in DF then he goes first otherwise Gildarts is.

 

[WoWfan]

Actuall Savage Flames Natsu takes top spot

 

[Ramen]

Savage flames is only massive PoE. Gildarts would stomp before Natsu uses it.

 

[WoWfan]

It is something that is well above Gildarts, uses it and defeats him, limited reality warping

 

[Ramen]

It is something that is well above Gildarts, uses it and defeats him, limited reality warping

It took him death and a bs revival in order to use it so I'm sure Gildarts will be ok

 

[WoWfan]

death is not a requirement, and not bs seeing as it is Lucy who saved him. So yes, Gildarts loses

 

[Ramen]

death is not a requirement, and not bs seeing as it is Lucy who saved him. So yes, Gildarts loses

Yes it is, he couldn't use before hand. Lucy all of a sudden being able to manipulate demonic script isn't bs? lmao ok. Can you prove to me Natsu can use it at will? No you cannot. Otherwise he would use it against the DEs and the DGS but he isn't. Also that power is the power of the guild, he isn't going to use it against a member.

Also, it's still canon that gildarts is the strongest so you trying to argue it is canon.

 

[WoWfan]

Doesn't mean he was restricted before, that mean he could use it again, he would choose not to because it was dangerous for him to go over his limit, not that would be a problem here, Lucy is well knowledgable when it comes to books, and she was friends with levy, so she can manipulate solid scripts. it is choice he doesn't use it. So you are imposing limits on a fictional battle just to fit your results? That is very bias. Not what was shown, Gildarts cannot defeat Acno nor Zeref.

 

[Ramen]

Doesn't mean he was restricted before, that mean he could use it again, he would choose not to because it was dangerous for him to go over his limit, not that would be a problem here, Lucy is well knowledgable when it comes to books, and she was friends with levy, so she can manipulate solid scripts. it is choice he doesn't use it. So you are imposing limits on a fictional battle just to fit your results? That is very bias. Not what was shown, Gildarts cannot defeat Acno nor Zeref.

Headcanon. Him using FoE has not been shown to be dangerous at all. He just doesn't use it because it requires massive amounts of energy and PoF which is not accessible at will. It's like his DF, he can't use it whenever he wants. Natsu can't defeat Zeref or Acno either. Natsu had PoF in that fight and had to be resurrected. Had it not been for Lucy he would've died. Natsu can't defeat Acno either. He needed the enitre continent and Acno to be paralyzed to win.

In a 1v1,FH Zeref and Acno would kill Natsu and Gildarts.

If Gildarts had max level PoF with the guild mark he could've beaten Zeref too. If he had the power of 7 DS and Acno was paralyzed he could've won too. You're leaving out a lot of details

Spoiler: Gildarts still on top

.

 

[sharkai]

How is it false, that was clearly the last attack they were going for.

because one laxus attack didnt do more than a kayoka, azuma, or ajeel

That's fine. I disagree, but it's at least not ludicrous

I'd say stamina is by far Erza's strongest stat, so it being the one stat Laxus beats her in seems incredibly unlikely.
I'd say
Offense - Laxus>Erza
Endurance/Stamina - Erza>Laxus
Durability - Laxus>Erza
Speed - Erza = Laxus

one fact you should keep in mind, my points are genrally ten time less ludicrous laxus fans.
remember laxus casually one shotting ajeel. and at the sane time ajeel giving a high diff to erza . lol

how does erza has more stamina than laxus. didnt laxus take out kiria and was last one standing against erza

 

[WoWfan]

Well so far, Natsu is proving to be on top if Gildarts could not get to it. Gildarts does not have the same power of Savage Flames as Natsu does, it does as it goes over his heat limit and warp reality, so Natsu takes this. Acno is already immune to magic, he had to be motion sick to remove that immunity.