Fantasy Gray vs Mirajane

[Vis]

the only battles when she does not hold back is when individuals are not around to see her do so.

So you don't think she would go all out if she sees her sister getting killed?

 

[WoWfan]

So you don't think she would go all out if she sees her sister getting killed?

she stated that even when her friends are nearby or anyone watching, even when she uses a stronger form, she always supresses her power as she does not use her magic to kill but to protect those she cares about

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She even held back when Freed was about to kill Elfman, and her sister did not die

 

[Vis]

she stated that even when her friends are nearby or anyone watching, even when she uses a stronger form, she always supresses her power as she does not use her magic to kill but to protect those she cares about

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She even held back when Freed was about to kill Elfman, and her sister did not die

So you actually think she cares so much about what people think, that she would hold back upon seeing her sister get killed? What makes you think she was holding back against Freed? She was obviously enraged when she started throwing punches.

She thought she died, same psychological effect.

 

[AmitDS]

Honestly, Mashima seems like he just doesn't care anymore what form Mirajane uses, as long as the implication that she's not holding back is there.

Which was there. She was dumb enough to think it was actually Lisanna that Madmole 'erased'. There was no reason why she would have been holding back. And at best, you can really just say she stalemated Skullion.

Mashima has always been holding her back. That's clear. That however doesn't change her canon power. That's why she was doing as well as she did vs Azuma, is still hyped as one of the guild's most powerful members and recently tied with Skullion in her BSS and drove Gray to extreme diff when she was very weak and injured, likely in BSS. Off panel doesn't mean non-canon.
She didn't think it was the real lisanna though

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[Vis]

Mashima has always been holding her back. That's clear. That however doesn't change her canon power.
She didn't think it was the real lisanna though

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It doesn't really matter. She is incapable of hurting Lisanna, even this fake one. Why would her destruction not cause her to go all out? Which arguably brought back the time she thought Lisanna was actually killed.

 

[WoWfan]

So you actually think she cares so much about what people think, that she would hold back upon seeing her sister get killed? What makes you think she was holding back against Freed? She was obviously enraged when she started throwing punches.

She thought she died, same psychological effect.

Elfman was going to die and Mira held back against Freed despite having a psychological trauma with thinking Lisanna was dead before, The fact that Mira did not kill him is proof enough, nor was she tired

That is just a comedic scene for Mira.

 

[Vis]

Elfman was going to die and Mira held back against Freed despite having a psychological trauma with thinking Lisanna was dead before,

She held back at the end when she literally had her fist inches away from his face.

The fact that Mira did not kill him is proof enough, nor was she tired

The fact that Mira did not kill him means Mirajane doesn't just go around killing people, no matter how pissed she is.
She also didn't kill him because as per her words, they're "comrades", "guildmates", they "laugh together, carry on together" and they "walk together".

It's a power of feelings speech.

That is just a comedic scene for Mira.

Seeing an image of her sister get 'erased' once again? No it wasn't, she was genuinely pissed.

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There's another one in chapter 36.

There's two scans from two different chapters with the word of god saying that she was enraged, POF; not holding back.

 

[WoWfan]

Not at the last minute, she did not intend to go all out because she new fighting was pointless, that Means she does not go all out whenever she wants, she holds back so no one can see that side of her. PoF speech happens during a battle, not after. That is again comedy, you can tell by the funny angry silhouette. That text is not official, and again, no proof that she goes all out when people are around

 

[Jko]

She held back at the end when she literally had her fist inches away from his face.



The fact that Mira did not kill him means Mirajane doesn't just go around killing people, no matter how pissed she is.
She also didn't kill him because as per her words, they're "comrades", "guildmates", they "laugh together, carry on together" and they "walk together".

It's a power of feelings speech.



Seeing an image of her sister get 'erased' once again? No it wasn't, she was genuinely pissed.

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There's another one in chapter 36.

There's two scans from two different chapters with the word of god saying that she was enraged, POF; not holding back.

Getting angry isn't PoF. And that is not even the author, but the editor as it is an editor note...

PoF only comes when you surpass your limit which Mira did not do in any of her fights and especially not against Skullion who she actively held back agaonst. There's a reason PoF is considered bs by a lot bcs it is plot force powers that gives you a boost to surpass the power you didn't have before. Talking about friendship or getting angry aren't PoF boost as you actually have to surpass your limits in order to get boosted by PoF.

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Like do you think Gildarts used PoF on a fodder monster bcs he got pissed???

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Or against Bluenote bcs he was pissed? Lol.

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[Axiomus]

Power of emotions has nothing to do with surpassing your limits. Magic comes from emotions, and using your emotions to fuel your magic is POF. Pretty much every character in Fairy Tail is using power of emotions all the time. It's just a matter of how emotional they get. Mirajane would have been plenty amped on POF when she was fighting Azuma or Freed, though perhaps not so much when she was fighting Skullion and Madmole.

 

[Vis]

Getting angry isn't PoF. And that is not even the author, but the editor as it is an editor note...

PoF only comes when you surpass your limit which Mira did not do in any of her fights and especially not against Skullion who she actively held back agaonst. There's a reason PoF is considered bs by a lot bcs it is plot force powers that gives you a boost to surpass the power you didn't have before. Talking about friendship or getting angry aren't PoF boost as you actually have to surpass your limits in order to get boosted by PoF.

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Like do you think Gildarts used PoF on a fodder monster bcs he got pissed???

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Or against Bluenote bcs he was pissed? Lol.

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Power of feelings affects characters. Mirajane does not receive the same treatment from it that characters from Team Natsu generally does, but that doesn't mean she doesn't ever use it. At the very least, there is no reason she would have held back against Skullion at all, especially at the beginning of the fight when they just 'erased' Lisanna. It was written in actual words that this caused her to get 'enraged'. Twice. In separate chapters. That isn't something even you can deny.

Talking about the importance of friendship isn't a POF boost in and of itself, but it implies that the concept of it is active.

And yes, Gildarts had POF against Bluenote. Not sure why that makes him less impressive.
And against the monster, of course, he had POF. I mean, he is literally watching Natsu get chewed up, I don't see why that wouldn't boost him. This doesn't mean he would've been unable to beat it up even if hadn't used it.

 

[Jko]

Power of emotions has nothing to do with surpassing your limits. Magic comes from emotions, and using your emotions to fuel your magic is POF. Pretty much every character in Fairy Tail is using power of emotions all the time. It's just a matter of how emotional they get. Mirajane would have been plenty amped on POF when she was fighting Azuma or Freed, though perhaps not so much when she was fighting Skullion and Madmole.

PoF is surpassing your limits. Thinking that using an emotion means you are using PoF is hilarious. Mira beat Freed with her own power not PoF which is a boost of power and she beat up Azuma while nerfed. These feats would have been easily replicated even if they weren't fighting while using an emotion like anger.

PoF is usually BS as shown when characters use it to break through a limit they can't do without it.

Do you think Gild used PoF on Bluenote? If so, do you think Gildarts needed PoF to beat Bluenote???

Like I said PoF is bust the limiter that you cannot do without it. Erza busting Deus Sema and smacking around Acno are PoF feats as she can't replicate those without it. Same goes for Natsu beating Zeref with Savage Flames and beating Acno. Not every emotional outbursts or speech means they are tapping into PoF.

Power of feelings affects characters. Mirajane does not receive the same treatment from it that characters from Team Natsu generally does, but that doesn't mean she doesn't ever use it. At the very least, there is no reason she would have held back against Skullion at all, especially at the beginning of the fight when they just 'erased' Lisanna. It was written in actual words that this caused her to get 'enraged'. Twice. In separate chapters. That isn't something even you can deny.

Talking about the importance of friendship isn't a POF boost in and of itself, but it implies that the concept of it is active.

And yes, Gildarts had POF against Bluenote. Not sure why that makes him less impressive.
And against the monster, of course, he had POF. I mean, he is literally watching Natsu get chewed up, I don't see why that wouldn't boost him. This doesn't mean he would've been unable to beat it up even if hadn't used it.

We know Mira tends to hold back and she said that she does as well because she doesn't like to show her true power among others. She saw fake Lisanna get erased, not real Lisanna, and we know she knew the difference between the two. By the end of the fight she was pretty much calm and collected as well lol.

If PoF is just any emotion being the catalyst for boost in powers then the villains should use PoF as well when they get angry? I never seen a villain get stronger by their emotions lol.

Bcs why would Gildarts need PoF to beat Bluenote? We had to get nerfed in order for Bluenote to beat hom down lol. Or why use it on a fodder animal? I mean if these feats can be replicated without PoF being involved then how is PoF even considered an amplification of power?

 

[Axiomus]

PoF is surpassing your limits. Thinking that using an emotion means you are using PoF is hilarious. Mira beat Freed with her own power not PoF which is a boost of power and she beat up Azuma while nerfed. These feats would have been easily replicated even if they weren't fighting while using an emotion like anger.

PoF is usually BS as shown when characters use it to break through a limit they can't do without it.

Do you think Gild used PoF on Bluenote? If so, do you think Gildarts needed PoF to beat Bluenote???

Like I said PoF is bust the limiter that you cannot do without it. Erza busting Deus Sema and smacking around Acno are PoF feats as she can't replicate those without it. Same goes for Natsu beating Zeref with Savage Flames and beating Acno. Not every emotional outbursts or speech means they are tapping into PoF.

It is literally called power of emotions. Magic comes from emotions, and characters get stronger the more emotional they are.

Power of Emotions doesn't surpass your limits either. A character's limit is how strong they are at their maximum emotional state. Just because you are tapping into POF, doesn't mean you're breaking the power-scale. Is this punch surpassing all of Natsu's limits? Obviously not. But it's enough for Ignia to note that his emotions make him stronger.

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Yes, Gildarts used power of emotions when he beat Bluenote. He also had power of emotions to beat that monster as well. Like I said, pretty much everyone in Fairy Tail use power of emotion practically all the time. It's simply a matter of how emotional they get. Mirajane was emotional when she fought Freed. In fact her emotions was what allowed her to regain the usage of her magic at all. She was even more emotional when she fought Azuma. It just wasn't enough to boost her by ridiculous levels. Not every character use POF equally well.

 

[WoWfan]

It is called power of feelings and it revolves around positive emotions, negative feelings revolves around curses and black magic, Mirajane was not at full power when fighting freed. And she was not in her peak state until GMG, again, weakened state when fighting Azuma

 

[Axiomus]

It is called power of feelings and it revolves around positive emotions, negative feelings revolves around curses and black magic, Mirajane was not at full power when fighting freed. And she was not in her peak state until GMG, again, weakened state when fighting Azuma

It's called power of emotions. Darkness is just negative emotions, and any human being can use them.

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Mirajane was at full power fighting Freed, and the only reason she was weakened Azuma was because she got hit by Elfman and Evergreen. Doesn't really help her case here. Mirajane only recovered her powers after training, which basically means she was out of shape on Tenrou.

 

[WoWfan]

Darkness is for Black Magic users, Mirajane was not at full power when she fighting freed, if she was she would have killed him, because he was going to kill eflman, besides there were people around to see. she was weak on magic power as well, and even then she did not go all out.

 

[AmitDS]

It's called power of emotions. Darkness is just negative emotions, and any human being can use them.

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Mirajane was at full power fighting Freed, and the only reason she was weakened Azuma was because she got hit by Elfman and Evergreen. Doesn't really help her case here. Mirajane only recovered her powers after training, which basically means she was out of shape on Tenrou.

She said she was low on magic vs Azuma because of the nature of her magic. It's not because she supposedly struggled with Elfman and Ever since we all know she was dominating them and they had to resort to tricking her.

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And with the magic she had left she was still able to perform well against Azuma (similar to Erza). Nothing really implies that Mirajane wasn't at full power in Tenrou.

 

[Axiomus]

She said she was low on magic vs Azuma because of the nature of her magic. It's not because she supposedly struggled with Elfman and Ever since we all know she was dominating them and they had to resort to tricking her.

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And with the magic she had left she was still able to perform well against Azuma (similar to Erza). Nothing really implies that Mirajane wasn't at full power in Tenrou.

Okay, but that's even worse. That means she simply doesn't have enough power to keep using her takeovers, and that Eflman and Bixlow didn't even have to beat her to exhaust her. Mirajane didn't recover usage of Sitri until after she trained. Or if you think Mirajane can always use Sitri, then Mirajane simply can't use Sitri after fighting Elfman and Evergreen with Satan Soul....which is even worse than not being able to use Satan Soul repeatedly.

She didn't do as well as Erza. Erza tanked shots from the Tenrou Tree, and was able to fight Hades afterwards.

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Darkness is for Black Magic users, Mirajane was not at full power when she fighting freed, if she was she would have killed him, because he was going to kill eflman, besides there were people around to see. she was weak on magic power as well, and even then she did not go all out.

With what? She used the same attacks against Freed that she used against Elfman. If she held back, it was only after she used her best attacks. Nobody was there around to see her fight Freed, and Mirajane wouldn't have cared about people seeing her when she fought Azuma.

 

[WoWfan]

No, she held back all the way through because that is how she fights, the entire town saw them fight, she does apparently, even stating she didn't use her full power even in a weakened state

 

[Plutogrim]

There should be a poll here.

To settle this.