Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Aurelius]

No need to feel that way

Well it was a part of my argument, lol. Time to begin a new crusade against sites with poor translations. My sword has been drawn

 

[Axiomus]

That's not the same thing. It's already impacted at that point and it's just swirling around cause it has nowhere else to go. In the case on edolas we actually see all the blasts combine together before they hit and the power is much greater. And are you seriously arguing that unison raids are the same thing as just firing attacks simultaneously? Why would anyone say it's such a hard thing to do if that's all it took. Why would people be surprised when they saw one?

Base natsu did this against a sting and rogue that were weaker than the the ones that foguth Jiemma. Sting got a massive boost in power right after the gmg fight which was enough to oneshot jiemma. And this was a future rogue that had 7 years more experience as well as dual slayer mode (I've already gone over why this is so powerful). You can't just take bits and pieces from different arcs to say one attack is stronger than the other. If Sting and rouge didn't use the attack against jiemma thenyou have no way of know ing that it's less effective.

I literally just showed you that his magic didn't disappear at all. both natsu and acno were charging at each other on one page and their attacks were fired off screen. Next time we see them Natsu isn't charging anymore and Acno no longer has the attack in his hands. the panel you posted just shows acno trying to move his arm but can't because the motion sickness has finally hit him. At know point is it shown or implied that acno's magic disappears. He was just immobilized.

Again, the phantom lord roars weren't a unison raid. They never said it was an unision raid. They simply combined their roars.

They learned how to tap into their POf, but their magic power remained basically the same. Doesn't make up for the difference between losing to base Natsu and skewering Jiemma.

No you didn't. You took panels from out of order. They never fired off their attacks. Natsu and Acno were charging up their attacks. Then Lucy casted Fairy Sphere, which didn't effect him. He body slammed the Fairy Sphere and his spirit form was still charging up his attack. The first panel you showed was from that moment. Then Melody linked every mage on the continent to Lucy, which made Fairy Sphere stronger and finally sealed Acnologia. It was only at this point that Acnologia's magic disappeared.

 

[WoWfan]

It only happened after Fairy Sphere his powers disappeared, before he was still vulnerable to magic when Motion sick

 

[Axiomus]

No need to feel that way

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he did, when he fought Totomaru, he even stated that in his condition he cannot be resist fire spells, even Natsu was nervous because he would be in trouble. I said resist fire, not project fire, why would his own flames hurt him?

I mean the guy doesn't even know Natsu, but okay. I guess motion sickness took away Acnologia's resistance to magic. This is yet another reason why Acnologia was nerfed against Natsu during the fight.

 

[WoWfan]

It is amazing how callbacks to early parts of the manga can make a difference

 

[Axiomus]

Anyways, this doesn't change my argument. Motion sickness wasn't the reason Acnologia's magic disappeared. It may have taken away his invulnerability to magic and made him susceptible to Fairy Sphere, but it wasn't what made his magic attack disappear. Acnologia's magic only disappeared after the Fairy Sphere was made stronger the entire continent and fully sealed him.

 

[Axiomus]

I never said they were. I said that was an example of them just firing attacks at the same time. The unison raid was on edolas with the three roars combining to become one b4 impacting. And again the output is much greater there.

POF raises magic power tho.....

lol what that's literally the next panel in the time rift. Like I said.there was a few pages showing what was happening on the outside, then when we came back to the time rift BOTH of their attacks were gone. Do you think natsu lost his magic at that moment as well? Do you think he went from literally leaping at acnologia in one panel to standing there saying "you can't end this one your own" because he just felt like stopping his attack? No there was an attack that natsu was about to hit acno with. The story cuts outside, when we get back he's no longer flames around him and acno also doesn't have magic around his palm. And this occurs b4 the motion sickness hit him. And do you really think he would have no access to magic and not point it out?

I meant the Edolas roars. The 3 dragon slayers combining roars in Edolas was never stated to be an unison raid either.


I'm going to go through the entire scene in order, page by page.
Natsu and Acnologia charge up their attacks.

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Fairy Sphere is cast around Acnologia's real body. This doesn't effect Acnologia, and he is still able to body slam Fairy Sphere to crack it. Natsu and Acnologia are still charging up their attacks.

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Meredy links everybody's magic on the continent with Lucy, and this makes Fairy Sphere stronger. This traps Acnologia's physical body.

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Acnologia goes berserk, starts ranting, and realizes he can't move. This is when the magic attack that Acnologia was charging up disappears.

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There is no clash throughout any of this. There's no reason to assume Natsu's flames disappeared at all throughout any of this. He was simply still charging up his attack. But if you think there was an attack and they did clash, then Natsu didn't oneshot Acnologia anyways.

 

[WoWfan]

Totomaru states that fire would not work on him in normal condition, but not when he is motion sick, not that he can eat fire in that condition or not, being hit by his own fire would not make sense as we have seen him get hit by his own magic but multiplied by the vanish brothers. Also Natsu was not really hurt by his flames, just his physical punches, because Totomaru controlled the arm where the flames were to hit himself, even when bathed in fire, he was not hurt anywhere else on his body

 

[sharkai]

Laxus couldve soloed phantom. He did better in tenrou and the gmg. He eid way better in Tartaros too.

Laxus was WS tier too.
Jellal is stronger than Erza and you're saying Jellal=Laxus.
Eza couldn't touch Hades and Laxus did.

Lol

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Wtf is this argument about phantom. Erza can't solo phantom. Laxus could. He one shot their ace and Natsu at the same time. You think the element 4 can give him a fight?


@Axiomus no point in continuing this pointless debate. You know you're right just leave it alone.

nice try kid
but all are your statements opinion. laxus would be seriously injured after jupiter. he has shown no feats suggesting he can causally one shot gray like jose can.

laxus fought for like 5 second in tenrou so no
gmg is also your opinion

as i said feats goes to erza, like it or not

and where is that cannon panel mate?

and i like to mention @Axiomus thinks ff laxus is >=Markrov and gmg jellal>=ff laxus and tenrou laxus=tenrou lfd natsu.
but i guess these claims arent as luderious as suggesting ff erza was around ff laxus

 

[Axiomus]

and i like to mention @Axiomus thinks ff laxus is >=Markrov and gmg jellal>=ff laxus and tenrou laxus=tenrou lfd natsu.
but i guess these claims arent as luderious as suggesting ff erza was around ff laxus

Laxus =< Makarov

LFD Natsu >= Laxus

GMG Jelall > Laxus

I don't believe Laxus is stronger than Makarov because he had heart issues fighting Hades, and did technically block more attacks. But the fact of the matter remains that Laxus did hurt Hades more than Makarov did (as well as dodge chains that were throwing Makarov around), and he is able to cast Makarov's strongest spell. They should be on the same level.

GMG Jellal is categorically stronger than Laxus. Doesn't mean that Laxus wouldn't be able to put up a fight. Laxus would give Jellal as much difficulty was Jura did, who Jellal is also categorically stronger than. 3 months of training hardly makes a difference between Tenrou and GMG.

LFD Natsu is superior to Laxus, but Laxus still scales towards it because it's mostly his MP.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu can eat flames even when his immunity does not work, like when he ate Zancrow’s flames even when he is out of magic, besides it is not a requirement to eat the flames, he is already immune to them, via Vanish Brothers and Silver, Natsu was punching himself, his fire had no affect on him.

 

[Axiomus]

So are you just ignoring the fact that the attack natsu was charging is also gone in the second to last page? Are you gonna ignore the fact that natsu had literally leaped in the air towards aconologia? What? You think he just jumped forward, stopped, then jumped again? The attack natsu is about to hit acno with in the first page you posted and the attack he's charging in the last page you posted are two separate attacks. And yeah natsu did still oneshot because clashing an attack doesn't equal doing damage. The only hit that did damage was the last one that defeated him.

The attack wasn't gone. The flames were simply in his hands, and we got a close-up of his face. Natsu was running towards Acnologia. When Acno went berserk Natsu took a pause, before resuming his attack.

For the sake of argument, let's say I agree with you on what you're saying about fusion of magics being stronger than the sum. Because I do. Just not to the extent your suggesting. Let me just ask you this: If you believe the LFD roar used against Max was stronger than Laxus going all out, then doesn't that mean Natsu was simply stronger than Laxus or Erza with his own magic power?

 

[Seven777]

i told you why i believe.
hax
something mishma himself hasnt set any rules for. lol at laxus weak heart

if you give laxus durability and offense, it would be very hard for erza to do anything here

Now see you keep going on about how people wank Laxus, yet you turn around and claim that Kyoka is above Mard Geer. The only wanker here is you.

Endurance carries her through, as it has in every fight since Tenrou.

 

[Axiomus]

The aura and everything around him wasn't there. I find it very unlikely that he would just stop mid leap. And even the scarf scales only changed when he began the final charge in. That's a clear difference between the initial charge and the last one. And again Why would Acno not mention his magic power disappearing? Just cause he couldn't use it doesn't mean it wasn't there. Immobilization prevents you from really doing anything. Same thing happened with zeref when gray cast Iced shell

I don't believe the roar used against max was stronger. Natsu himself said that the power was nowhere near what it was on tenrou. When I said Laxus didn't scale to LFD I was talking about the roar he did against hades.

Very well, you have convinced me that 7DS Natsu oneshotted Acno.

So do you agree that if Laxus goes all out with an attack, he will at least scale above the LFD roar that Natsu used against Max? And how much stronger do you think tenrou LFD Natsu is compared to Laxus?

 

[WoWfan]

They do have immunity, they just get overlapped or bypassed by a hax that comes with it. Only when those flames literally warp reality when they reach beyond a certain heat. Not saying it doesn’t, but it doesn’t take away his immunity to flames. He does have flame immunity though

 

[Axiomus]

Yeah He would scale above the roar used against max. By how much I'm not sure. After the tenrou arc when natsu uses LFD he's basically using his own magic power to imitate the power he received from laxus and then combining that with his fire. it's basically like one mage using two magics at the same time rather then two mages fusing their magics. And of course since Natsu doesn't have that much mp at the time, he can't produce an attack on the same scale as he did on tenrou b4 he exhausts his mp reserves. If I were to take a guess at it, Tenrou Laxus at full power would be at around 25% of the roar on tenrou, which still puts him a good deal above the roar natsu used against max. But it's really hard to quantify these things.

And how strong do you rank Erza in comparison to Tenrou LFD?

 

[sharkai]

• You just made that up. Freed was never mentioned as being the reason why Laxus was able to resist Mystogan's sleep magic. Like I said, Mystogan can't even put an illusion on Laxus, let alone make him fall asleep.
• Laxus brought up Erza into the conversation, yes. Mystogan never said that Erza was on their level. He just had issues with her being weak. Natsu wasn't mentioned by Laxus (probably because he still thinks Natsu is still a weakling).
• We know exactly what Fairy Glitter and Law is. Maybe you don't, but I suspect it's because you ignore everything lol. Fairy Law is the modified version of Law that Mavis learned from Zeref. Fairy Glitter is a magic that can be transferred in the form of a tattoo. I'm not making anything up. Fans didn't consider Fairy Glitter as making Cana stronger than Jura during the GMG, because it was temporary and it disappeared after she used it. Now that Cana can freely use Fairy Glitter repeatedly, there's absolutely zero reason not to consider it when ranking her. Fairy Law doesn't need to be borrowed. You simply learn it, and use it when you want to.
• Sure, FF Laxus can give Jellal a fight. Same way Jura did. Jellal would still beat him with Sema the same way he was going to beat Jura.
• Rogue has fought both Natsu and Gajeel. He has nothing to gain by trash talking Gajeel, and neither does the shadow. They simply didn't think Gajeel was on the same level as Natsu.
• Dude, that's not a sneak attack. Orga actually managed to fire off his shot. Jura simply moved out of the path and then oneshotted him anyways.
• Aria had several chapters to recover, and could obviously still use his magic. Makarov oneshotted him without even going titan. He didn't even enlarge his hands. Actually, Jose actually shot Makarov and he just recovered from nearly dying. So it's not as if Aria was in better shape than Makarov. He simply had poor durability.
• Erza doesn't have feats suggesting she can oneshot Natsu or Gajeel. It's pretty obvious whose wanking who now.
• Laxus literally can use Makarov's best spell with Fairy Law, and did better against Hades than Makarov did. How is he not around Makarov's level?
• Jellal is a wizard saint just like Makarov. He's probably better than Jose because he can cast Abyss Break all by himself. It was Jellal's magic power that allowed Natsu to beat Zero, and Zero is stronger than Jose.
• Erza wasn't on Jelall's level in ToH either. Jellal fought Erza with his magic power divided so as to keep Seigrain's thought projection. Once he reunited with his thought projection and recovered his magic, he was outclassing Erza without even using meteor. Even after Erza was free from the bind snake, she could only watch as Jellal beat up Natsu. Altairis was pretty much going to kill Erza if not for Simon.
• Erza with second origin is not considerably above GMG/Tartaros arc Natsu. I'm actually lowballing Natsu here because I'm disregarding the fact he can enter Dragon Force at will now.

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Yeah, I think I've said everything I wanted to say here. If you truly believe stuff like Jupiter cannon being able to kill Laxus, or Erza being able to oneshot both Natsu and Gajeel and still have enough power left to cast a spell as powerful as Fairy Law, or Erza without second origin being stronger than Tartaros arc Natsu, then I'm not going to be able to change your mind. I'll let you have the last word after this post. Just gonna say this: There's no Laxus wank. Most people just read the manga, and take statements like this at face value because they aren't filled to the brim with hate for Laxus.

Anyways, pre-timeskip power levels don't really interest me that much. What matters is what's happening now, and well...I'm content with what we got during Laxus and Erza's most recent fight.

i can understand you.
i have couple of last points
i have always noticed laxus is much more liked and erza is like one of the most hated character. this lead me to believe that laxus gets all the benefit of doubts while erza feats are causally underrated. i remember after erza destroyed dues sema, some guy literally came here and asked how many springgans can do that. (yeah, people dont take the statements literally)

why i think i have a stronger position

1) i use less statements, generally focus on feats. even then i am giving benefit to the other party.
Notice i said ff laxus>=ff erza right?
but i also said featwise blinded aria > gajeel
so what am i doing
natsu>gajeel>aria>blinded aria>natsu
now wrecked erza can one shot aria. it isnt ridiculous to claim that full fresh erza could do the same to gajeel. but laxus cant one shot gajeel
by giving benefit of doubt to the other party i am just saying erza is in the same ball park as laxus

2) more time something is brought up in the manga, that means that is more important. difference between natsu and erza was mentioned alot
natsu sh1tting himself
erza causally one shotting him
many feats putting erza above natsu
erza opponents being above natsu opponents
this makes me believe
erza>>natsu
on the other side laxus and erza difference is barely mentioned. even the panel you gave, people were talking about the second strongest man. mishma went out of his way here not to include erza, still if i agree with everything you say
laxus>erza

gap between erza and natsu should be much larger. because it is actually mentioned alot more and with larger gap being mentioned (natsu getting one shot or sh!tting himself)

3) baisness. some statements are given more importance than others. erza told in pep talk that natsu is as strong or stronger than herself (to you this more important). you dont consider that the same erza also thought natsu can handle laxus.

4) using things that arent clearly explained in the manga, making an opinion on them and then considering them as facts.
SO vs three months training or tenrou laxus=tenrou lfd natsu or fairy law or ogra strongest move
i mean you make a valid point, but there is nothing in the manga suggesting anything
whether SO is superior to three months training, we dont know? its your opinion against mine. and no way to find out
tenrou laxus power is in tenrou lfd natsu, sure. but tenrou lfd natsu feats are above anyone pre ts. i dont think full fresh erza could give tenrou lfd natsu a good fight.
fairy law. these magics are annoying and makes no sense. pre ts laxus second strongest attack is um tier or maybe couple of tiers below laxus own fairy law, same for markrov.
ogra strongest move, i still havent figured out why would you even make this claim

5) when in doubt, give benefits to laxus (kinda extension of points above) or ignoring context.
mystogan sneak sleep magic being used in power scaling. ignoring the part that only way we know laxus wasnt sleep is because laxus claims it
or laxus vs hades compared to markrov vs hades
when markarov fought hades, he tried fairy law, hades stopped him with his own law. hades used jupiter and marakrov blocks it with injuries. and the hades takes off his mask. shocking marakrov. this allows hades to remove markrov titan form. then 25 and then 100 formula. markrov handled them all. only reason he fell was because of his heart
laxus vs hades was completely different
laxus got some hits in, unlike marakrov, but that was mostly in the start when hades wasnt even fighting. once he fought laxus was down. 25 formula was enough
sure laxus still had powers, but markarov only fell because of his heart. and you actually believe laxus>=markarov
i mean technically laxus did perform better but that is like saying erza won against laxus (erza successfully protected the orb against laxus)

6) happily do indirect comparisons.
jura is stronger than kagura and minerva. but we dont know by how much. but he one shot orga, sure. but orga never challanged him to a fight. and if aria can have weak durability to put gajeel out of erza one shot range same can be said for orga. we know however jura is nowhere near gildarts sooo

laxus has power to caste fl after all his action, we dont know erza can or cannot


7) i dont generally make up things up. so my tier list isnt that precise. result
Jellal = laxus (same performance against natsu)

since laxus is no where near markrov,
Gmg jura=gmg laxus= gmg jellal (all people got same boost) we can predict pre ts jellal WS position to be around 9WS level

pre SO erza>WS tier monster + 99
putting erza above pre ts jellal
benefit of doubt to opposite side
jellal=erza=laxus=jura
same in gmg as well

why i rank aria so high
start of series natsu = start of series gray (they are rivals)
gray had trouble with juvia. blinded aria was far above natsu
pof natsu above gray sure
but end result is natsu=>gajeel=>gray
blinded aria just have better results

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Now see you keep going on about how people wank Laxus, yet you turn around and claim that Kyoka is above Mard Geer. The only wanker here is you.

Endurance carries her through, as it has in every fight since Tenrou.

na man.
the wanker has laways been you
i mean its you who believe causaul laxus nuke>>pissed of blackening sky jellal GC

hax are annoying, and mishma himself has no rules for them. they have been shown to effect people well above the caster tier, unless its mira who cant even macro skullerion
i know and agree with kyoka being weaker than mard but if maishma allows kyoka hax to work on mard?
kind of same for brandish if her hax works on aconologia

 

[Seven777]

na man.
the wanker has laways been you
i mean its you who believe causaul laxus nuke>>pissed of blackening sky jellal GC

hax are annoying, and mishma himself has no rules for them. they have been shown to effect people well above the caster tier, unless its mira who cant even macro skullerion
i know and agree with kyoka being weaker than mard but if maishma allows kyoka hax to work on mard?
kind of same for brandish if her hax works on aconologia

Me believing Augusts words is worse than you randomly saying Kyoka>Mard Geer? Alright lol.

Kyoka's hax isn't even that good, Seilah's shits all over it.

 

[sharkai]

Me believing Augusts words is worse than you randomly saying Kyoka>Mard Geer? Alright lol.

Kyoka's hax isn't even that good, Seilah's shits all over it.

i have valid reason, made a valid point. means nothing because i wouldnt bring it up unless we are talking about hax
you believing august words (but not springgan hypes) makes you actually come up with actually silly stuffs like stronger characters can have weaker durability. and causal laxus being far above jellal

 

[Seven777]

i have valid reason, made a valid point. means nothing because i wouldnt bring it up unless we are talking about hax
you believing august words (but not springgan hypes) makes you actually come up with actually silly stuffs like stronger characters can have weaker durability. and causal laxus being far above jellal

Not really, not really, and even if you had both those things it's still not as reasonable as listening to the words of a character in the manga, especially not when Laxus did just as August said to Ajeel's peer.
Nothing silly about it, stats aren't consistent with overall power. You can be weaker in some aspects, stronger in other. Look at the spriggans, better MP than Natsu, but they still get totally and utterly destroyed by him.
I didn't say casual Laxus is above Jellal, I simply see his nuke as a higher end attack.