Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

He managed to take down Natsu with relative ease, I never said that, I said of the Seven Kin, Kain uses darkness because he has black magic. Invel said darkness because it refers to Black Magic that gives them their strength. Gray’s Magic is black magic as he joined a guild of black magic users. Irene would feel said but not in the sense that it would make her despair, she has to honor his memory and live on, especially for her daughter.

 

[Axiomus]

their force alone changed the weather, which had more energy behind it than your bs claim that Acno is city level.

Changing the weather? You do realize characters like Juvia can make it rain, right? And that characters like Laxus can make lightning? And characters like Wendy can make tornadoes? Makarov and Jose made a few clouds swirl over the Phantom Lord guild.

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Eternal flare is at least city level. You can see him blowing up multiple islands here, some of which you can even see the buildings of cities on. The fact that you think a bunch of swirling clouds over a single building is better than this is, quite frankly, laughable.

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That is proof that She did not go all out, even in the same chapter stated that she was weakened with very limited magic, and that if she was a full power she could beat him

And why was she weakened and had very limited magic? Because she got hit by Elfman and Evergreen. How is this helping her case of having Erza level feats?

 

[Aurelius]

Changing the weather? You do realize characters like Juvia can make it rain, right? And that characters like Laxus can make lightning? And characters like Wendy can make tornadoes? Makarov and Jose made a few clouds swirl over the Phantom Lord guild.

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Eternal flare is at least city level. You can see him blowing up multiple islands here, some of which you can even see the buildings of cities on. The fact that you think a bunch of swirling clouds over a single building is better than this is, quite frankly, laughable.

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Uh I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can’t see the images you upload

 

[WoWfan]

Making rain is still requires energy, and has the characteristics of real rain as well, Magic is part of nature as well since both their spirit and nature emerged together to form magic. Besides, the storm that formed around them covered the entire sky, as well as generated earthquakes. Again, quality over quantity, he skills above the Phoenix which would have burned the entire world.

I think you fail To realize just how much power is behind it, the mass of storm clouds covering the entire sky is and the speed to cover it

.5*10083259300000*6666.66666667^2= 224072428889112961318 joules = 53 gigatons (Island Level)

and i never said she was Erza level, just that she was not at full power and weakened

and your images are broken as well

 

[Samael Morningstar]

You believe what you want to believe but that is how it works


their force alone changed the weather, which had more energy behind it than your bs claim that Acno is city level.

You believe what you want to believe, but that is not how it works

 

[WoWfan]

You believe what you want to believe, but that is not how it works

You believe what you want to believe, but that is how it works

 

[Axiomus]

Resetting time, which is what Neo Eclipse does, isn't attack power. This wouldn't even be the magic power of the rift of time anyways, as Neo Eclipse can only be used by combining Fairy Heart with the rift of time. That never actually happened. Zeref's onscreen attack power is nowhere near universal, let alone multiversal.

Uh I don’t know if it’s just me, but I can’t see the images you upload

I'll post them again, but they should show up if you wait a few minutes. The scenes I'm posting should be stuff that everyone remembers anyways.

Spoiler: Makarov and Jose making clouds swirl

Spoiler: Acnologia's eternal flare

 

[Samael Morningstar]

You believe what you want to believe, but that is not how it works

Yes..........

 

[WoWfan]

Resetting time is the same as destroying the universe, no different than reseting a game, destroying all the data and progress or reseting a puzzle, destroying what you made, just like how the world is going to be destroyed and remade when stated

Yes..........Zeref is Universal Level with FH

Thank you

 

[Aurelius]

Ichiya is big bang level.

 

[WoWfan]

Ichiya is big bang level.

Well he almost ended the FT guild with his Man Zombie Parfume

 

[Axiomus]

He managed to take down Natsu with relative ease, I never said that, I said of the Seven Kin, Kain uses darkness because he has black magic. Invel said darkness because it refers to Black Magic that gives them their strength. Gray’s Magic is black magic as he joined a guild of black magic users. Irene would feel said but not in the sense that it would make her despair, she has to honor his memory and live on, especially for her daughter.

He trapped Natsu under some rocks, and then got done in by Lucy fire. Btw, Natsu was only stuck because he forgot he could use fire to get himself out.

Invel never said that darkness can only be used by people with Black Magic. He said darkness is the origin of black magic, and the root of Zeref's power. Then he said that it's a tremendous source of power that any human being can possess.

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You don't have to be in despair. You just have to have some darkness in your heart. Natsu's seeds grew despite the fact that he was happy like 99% of the time. The fact that Irene's seeds grew meant that she had darkness too.

 

[Aurelius]

Well he almost ended the FT guild with his Man Zombie Parfume

Yep and that was just by accident. His smile brings opponents on their knees and Wahls proxy was baffled by him.

 

[WoWfan]

that is combining his magic with Lucy, so that is both of their strength, excuses. And Black Magic is strengthened by the darkness of the heart, which is the point Invel was making, Darkness in an individual gives rise to BM. And? you have not shown her doubting her humanity, nor giving into darkness prior or in her transformation as she was acting out of love for her child despite her situation. Natsu's seed stopped because of Anti-Bodies, So then you agree that the darkness was nonsense for Dragon Seed, besides, not the same as Black Magic.

 

[WoWfan]

Yep and that was just by accident. His smile brings opponents on their knees and Wahls proxy was baffled by him.

Indeed, he is a maaaaaaan to be feared!

 

[Axiomus]

BTW, Gray was pulling a con job over Avatar. He literally acted like he was blood thirsty and out for revenge, which caused the Avatar member to think his obsession for revenge was making his soul and body black. It wasn't. He lied. His markings can be undone, and he was working with Erza the whole time.

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Gray only really tapped into his darkness when he thought Juvia died, and he didn't have to demonize to beat Invel.

that is combining his magic with Lucy, so that is both of their strength, excuses. And Black Magic is strengthened by the darkness of the heart, which is the point Invel was making, Darkness in an individual gives rise to BM. And? you have not shown her doubting her humanity, nor giving into darkness prior or in her transformation as she was acting out of love for her child despite her situation. Natsu's seed stopped because of Anti-Bodies, So then you agree that the darkness was nonsense for Dragon Seed, besides, not the same as Black Magic.

He didn't combine his magic with Lucy. He used his magic on the doll, which gave Lucy some of his flames. He didn't combine his magic powers with Lucy. Lucy just used some of his flames to hit Kain Hikaru with.

I don't need to show Irene doubting her humanity. Doubting his humanity was Natsu's darkness. Irene's darkness may not necessarily be the same emotions. The fact she has a dragon seed at all is proof enough of her having darkness, simply because Igneel said explained the dragon seed were seeds of darkness.

Look, the question @Jko had was whether or not any villains can power up using their emotions, and the answer is that they obviously do. You have a bunch of them. Zeref, Acnologia, Irene, Hades, and every other black mage... All of them can tap into the darkness in their hearts as a source of power.

 

[WoWfan]

even as a con, his magic would still be of the Black Magic from how the organization works, even Mary stated this about his magic. his vengeance is real, despite his motivation for joining. That is how he combines his magic with her, called Lucy Fire. So you are now saying that is is exclusive to Natsu? way to back track on your claims. Irene's Maternal instinct and friendship to protect others are all she showed, those are positive emotions. That is a retcon so Hiro can have a happy ending for Natsu.

Villains have to have positive feelings for their comrades to get the power up. Zeref uses Black Magic, Acnologia powers up via eating magic. Hades via Black Magic, Irene is just strong, when she felt compassion after so long she killed herself.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Universal Zeref and acno what's next then lmao

 

[WoWfan]

Universal Zeref and acno what's next then lmao

Nothing really since it stops there, no one is getting any higher power stats

 

[Axiomus]

even as a con, his magic would still be of the Black Magic from how the organization works. his vengeance is real, despite his motivation for joining. That is how he combines his magic with her, called Lucy Fire. So you are now saying that is is exclusive to Natsu? way to back track on your claims. Irene's Maternal instinct and friendship to protect others are all she showed, those are positive emotions. That is a retcon so Hiro can have a happy ending for Natsu.

Villains have to have positive feelings for their comrades to get the power up. Zeref uses Black Magic, Acnologia powers up via eating magic. Hades via Black Magic, Irene is just strong, when she felt compassion after so long she killed herself.

Natsu never combined magic power with Lucy. He used fire on the doll, which set Lucy on fire. Lucy never used any of her own magic. In fact, she had no magic power left at all because she used it all up fighting Kain Hikaru earlier.

I never said that it is exclusive to Natsu. I said Natsu's doubt over his humanity is his darkness. Darkness is just negative emotions. Irene had her own darkness, and I don't pretend to know her exact emotions. All that we need to know is that the dragon seeds are seeds of darkness, and that Irene has one. There's no retconing here. Besides, if it were a retcon, it would just mean that Hiro Mashima retconned it to so what I'm saying to be true. Hiro would have to retcon it back for what you're saying for you to be correct, lmao. But there's no retcon here. You just can't accept the fact you're wrong.

Again, NOWHERE does Invel ever say that you must be a black mage to use darkness. He simply said that darkness is the origin of black magic and the root of Zeref's power. He ALSO says that it is a tremendous source of power, one that any human being can possess. Zeref uses darkness. Irene and Acnologia's dragon seeds are darkness. Hades has darkness, and he taught all of Grimoire Heart magic. Every other black mage in the series is capable of accessing darkness for their power.