he used his actual attack which is not a tiny bit, it is by how the story is an "ultimate attack" which is higher than normal, so you are saying that he does not care for his friends when seeing them suffer? turning into a dragon is an affliction, not a natural power up by choice, she did not want to be a dragon, something that was obvious, and that is proof enough that Darkness that anyone uses gives birth to black magic, as both are the same thing, all emotions are not fair game for PoF as Sting and Rogue would have wiped the floor with Natsu but they did not have have PoF on their side despite having strong emotions, even for Pride, which is a dark emotion by your logic, yet did not have access to them, they only have that when Sting thought when lector was lost
You’re right that isn’t the point lol.
As for clearing/making thunderstorms like the ones Natsu & Aldoron did, stuff like that would put them at island to country lvl.
Feat wise it’s better to use then EF, since individually each blast from EF probably wouldn’t yield a good result.
City lvl is quite the lowball since that would be fodder to most Tartaros arc characters.
Visually, the best feats in the series are Etherion & Irene’s Dues Sama. I think we can all agree on that.
Not sure when Natsu and Aldoron made thunderstorms. Making clouds swirl and thunder is meh. I'm pretty sure Juvia can do that all on her own, and she's boarderline fodder.
The explosion that Eternal flare created were blowing up islands that had cities on them. Some of them were comparable to Acnologia's roar, and the entire attack obviously did more damage than a single roar. Eternal flare caused more destruction that Acnologia's roar after he was powered up the the rift, so it's hard to argue that an unpowered Acno would do better. The roar might be better to because it's more accurate, but in terms of overall destruction eternal flare is better.
As for what is most visually impressive? It's not something I really care about it. Deus Sema was cool, but until we see the effects of it's impact....we won't know for sure how it scales. All we know is that it's probably better than regular Sema. Most of etherion was absorbed by the R-System, but I guess it was cool to look at too.
You do not appear to appreciate the power of nature that thunderstorms moving can do. Juvia is fodder compared to Makarov and Jose who can cover the entire sky. Those islands would be small in comparison, visually it is not impressive, but from a logical quality standpoint it is more impressive. it scales to however strong her dragon state was, even her human state, she compressed an entire large country.
Not sure when Natsu and Aldoron made thunderstorms. Making clouds swirl and thunder is meh. I'm pretty sure Juvia can do that all on her own, and she's boarderline fodder.
The explosion that Eternal flare created were blowing up islands that had cities on them. Some of them were comparable to Acnologia's roar, and the entire attack obviously did more damage than a single roar. Eternal flare caused more destruction that Acnologia's roar after he was powered up the the rift, so it's hard to argue that an unpowered Acno would do better. The roar might be better to because it's more accurate, but in terms of overall destruction eternal flare is better.
As for what is most visually impressive? It's not something I really care about it. Deus Sema was cool, but until we see the effects of it's impact....we won't know for sure how it scales. All we know is that it's probably better than regular Sema. Most of etherion was absorbed by the R-System, but I guess it was cool to look at too.
I meant dispersing the thunderstorms, my bad. Creating them is different from dispersing them at high speeds.
Overall destruction ofc it caused more & I’m not arguing Base Acno roar was more impressive. Just that other feats are visually more impressive & would yield better results in a VS.
We saw Dues Sama atmospheric impact cause a country sized explosion & when Jellal was explaining Etherion we saw a panel of it destroying a country. I’d say those trump EF, though EF was cooler in action.
I meant dispersing the thunderstorms, my bad. Creating them is different from dispersing them at high speeds.
Overall destruction ofc it caused more & I’m not arguing Base Acno roar was more impressive. Just that other feats are visually more impressive & would yield better results in a VS.
We saw Dues Sama atmospheric impact cause a country sized explosion & when Jellal was explaining Etherion we saw a panel of it destroying a country. I’d say those trump EF, though EF was cooler in action.
he used his actual attack which is not a tiny bit, it is by how the story is an "ultimate attack" which is higher than normal, so you are saying that he does not care for his friends when seeing them suffer? turning into a dragon is an affliction, not a natural power up by choice, she did not want to be a dragon, something that was obvious, and that is proof enough that Darkness that anyone uses gives birth to black magic, as both are the same thing, all emotions are not fair game for PoF as Sting and Rogue would have wiped the floor with Natsu but they did not have have PoF on their side despite having strong emotions, even for Pride, which is a dark emotion by your logic, yet did not have access to them, they only have that when Sting thought when lector was lost
It was a tiny bit of magic. Just look at him when he's setting the doll on fire. You're not going to convince anyone that Lucy fire took more effort than his actual secret arts when he's going all out. And before you tell me you can't see the images, the Lucy fire is from chapter 217 and Natsu beating Gajeel is from chapter 63. Look them up yourself.
I never said that Natsu didn't care about Lucy. He just never got fully serious, because when he gets fully serious he sets himself on fire....and his fire would have melted the rock. Natsu probably would have gotten serious if he hand't found the doll, but he did.
Again, Invel said and what you are saying is pretty much the exact opposite. Invel says that darkness is a source of power that any human being can possess. Period. He says nothing about having to have black magic to use darkness. He simply said that darkness was the origin of black magic. Natsu didn't even use LFD or Dragon Force for Sting and Rogue, and also Sting's pride simply wasn't strong enough of an emotion. He lacked true conviction until he thought Lector died. When he thought Lector died, he wanted vengeance on Jiemma btw.
You do not appear to appreciate the power of nature that thunderstorms moving can do. Juvia is fodder compared to Makarov and Jose who can cover the entire sky. Those islands would be small in comparison, visually it is not impressive, but from a logical quality standpoint it is more impressive. it scales to however strong her dragon state was, even her human state, she compressed an entire large country.
I'm not going to waste any more time discussing swirling clouds and a few bolts of lightning. It's not an attack, and it doesn't destroy anything. There were clouds swirling and thunderstorms when Ikusatsunagi got summoned. If you guys are scaling the swirling clouds and thunder to country level, and not the giant sword slash that split multiple mountains, then I dunno what to say. You do you, I guess.
You can see several buildings on the islands, indicating there were cities on those islands.
Deus Sema was broken by Erza. As an attack, it couldn't possibly have scaled towards the power of any of the God Dragons, let alone Acnologia.
I meant dispersing the thunderstorms, my bad. Creating them is different from dispersing them at high speeds.
Overall destruction ofc it caused more & I’m not arguing Base Acno roar was more impressive. Just that other feats are visually more impressive & would yield better results in a VS.
We saw Dues Sama atmospheric impact cause a country sized explosion & when Jellal was explaining Etherion we saw a panel of it destroying a country. I’d say those trump EF, though EF was cooler in action.
When has Natsu and Aldoron dispersed thunderstorms? I'm confused.
I mean, deus sema didn't actually cause an explosion. That was just how Mashima drew the meteor entering the atmosphere, and I guess it parting the clouds. Again, until it actually hits and does damage. I suppose it's visually impressive, but the attack never actually showed us how much damage it can cause.
it is still an official spell, and an ultimate attack that followed, it may have been a weak ultimate attack but it is an official attack none the less, where Lucy was powered by Natsu's strength, again, I tell you, do not just by size, but the quality. The storm is a level of power that both of them command as Wizard saints, it represents how powerful they are. Spriggans are country level already so it is not surprising anyway. What are you talking about? Irene does not scale to Dragon Gods, though she would still get high diff out of them, but still
It was a tiny bit of magic. Just look at him when he's setting the doll on fire. You're not going to convince anyone that Lucy fire took more effort than his actual secret arts when he's going all out. And before you tell me you can't see the images, the Lucy fire is from chapter 217 and Natsu beating Gajeel is from chapter 63. Look them up yourself.
I never said that Natsu didn't care about Lucy. He just never got fully serious, because when he gets fully serious he sets himself on fire....and his fire would have melted the rock. Natsu probably would have gotten serious if he hand't found the doll, but he did.
Again, Invel said and what you are saying is pretty much the exact opposite. Invel says that darkness is a source of power that any human being can possess. Period. He says nothing about having to have black magic to use darkness. He simply said that darkness was the origin of black magic. Natsu didn't even use LFD or Dragon Force for Sting and Rogue, and also Sting's pride simply wasn't strong enough of an emotion. He lacked true conviction until he thought Lector died. When he thought Lector died, he wanted vengeance on Jiemma btw.
I'm not going to waste any more time discussing swirling clouds and a few bolts of lightning. It's not an attack, and it doesn't destroy anything. There were clouds swirling and thunderstorms when Ikusatsunagi got summoned. If you guys are scaling the swirling clouds and thunder to country level, and not the giant sword slash that split multiple mountains, then I dunno what to say. You do you, I guess.
You can see several buildings on the islands, indicating there were cities on those islands.
Deus Sema was broken by Erza. As an attack, it couldn't possibly have scaled towards the power of any of the God Dragons, let alone Acnologia.
When has Natsu and Aldoron dispersed thunderstorms? I'm confused.
I mean, deus sema didn't actually cause an explosion. That was just how Mashima drew the meteor entering the atmosphere, and I guess it parting the clouds. Again, until it actually hits and does damage. I suppose it's visually impressive, but the attack never actually showed us how much damage it can cause.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it for Natsu. I mean, the skies cleared up after he beat Ikusatsunagi...but that's really more the fact that the skies only got dark because of Ikusatsunagi in the first place. Does that really warrant clocking demolition fist at country level?
We can assume, but again... The meteor was shattered by Erza, so it couldn't have possibly carried more force than Erza's slash.
Lmao, I'm done with you here. Your posts has always been like this, and I'm done giving you a pass.
1) You tried to make the ridiculous argument that Mercphobia was an average dragon because dragon cry is canon. It's a terrible argument because Natsu was objectively stronger with Ignia's flames. Lucy, who watched both fights, even said that Ignia's flames was the first time she felt scared of Natsu's flames. It's also a terrible argument because Animus was powered by Dragon Cry, which made him stronger than a regular dragon.
2) You posted a passage where Irene used up all of her residual magic power to beat Nebal. Then pretended like this proves that she give the god dragons a good fight. I shouldn't even have to explain why this is ridiculous.
3) Aldoron's orbs contained so much power that it overloaded the White Witch. White Witch is on Zeref's level. White Witch even stated that she cannot take on God Dragons by herself. Also through sheer scale alone, Aldoron would crush Zeref.
That does not put Kain in the same level as Gajeel who struggled against fodder especially when he showed feats stronger than before. There is a difference between a gag joke and an actual attack, which Lucy Fire is the later. Wendy does destroy The structure, the same way as the dragons were. Face is hax and does not do anything to strengthen the structure other than drain the magic around it. Just as long as you admire Dragon Gods are roughly the same level, even then, Irene would put up a challenge for them just like how she managed to challenge base Acno.
Wendy only destroyed the structure of face. This did not stop face. It wasn't until Carla caused the magic power to self destruct that face was stopped. The dragons had to actually destroy the magic behind face to put a stop to it, and each face had enough magic power to cause a city-level explosion.
Irene only faced human Acnologia, and he wasn't even serious.
It's still a weak attack compared to Natsu's other attacks. Like I said, the attack is no different than if Natsu covered himself in flames and then Happy flew him in for a kick. Only difference is Lucy is physically weaker.
Still not impressive. Arlock can do everything Makarov and Jose did by summoning Ikusatsunagi, and he's basically a fodder.
Irene gets low diffed by the god dragons. Ignia would oneshot her.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it for Natsu. I mean, the skies cleared up after he beat Ikusatsunagi...but that's really more the fact that the skies only got dark because of Ikusatsunagi in the first place. Does that really warrant clocking demolition fist at country level?
We can assume, but again... The meteor was shattered by Erza, so it couldn't have possibly carried more force than Erza's slash.
We clearly see the clouds only start clearing away by the shockwave of demo fist. The feat it self would yield probably island lvl more likely. Aldoron’s would warrant country lvl, since it’s a bigger thunderstorm.
Okay? Ezra destroying it is a good feat for her.
Considering the Deus Sama didn’t shatter from the shockwave of entering the atmosphere.
We clearly see the clouds only start clearing away by the shockwave of demo fist. The feat it self would yield probably island lvl more likely. Aldoron’s would warrant country lvl, since it’s a bigger thunderstorm.
Okay? Ezra destroying it is a good feat for her.
Considering the Deus Sama didn’t shatter from the shockwave of entering the atmosphere.
I guess I'll take your word for it, but again I'm not really seeing it. I agree that demolition fist is probably island level. The reason just has nothing to do with parting the clouds. It's just the fact that Ikusatsunagi has the sheer mass comparable to that of an small island, and Natsu blew him up. If you ask me, parting the clouds is the least impressive thing about demolition fist.
Didn't say it wasn't a good feat for Erza. But I don't see Deus Sema is causing more destruction than Eternal Flare, because I doubt Erza can overpower eternal flare with her slashes.
That's because Zeref has the Curse of Contradiction which powers grow from his emotional state. Other villains however never got a boost from negative emotions or darkness. Even in this instance Zeref didn't get his power boosted as he had infinite mp lol.
That's because Zeref has the Curse of Contradiction which powers grow from his emotional state. Other villains however never got a boost from negative emotions or darkness. Even in this instance Zeref didn't get his power boosted as he had infinite mp lol.
His curse of contradiction has nothing to do with it. It doesn't turn his rage and sorrow into power. Curse of Contradiction is just that the less he values life, the better he can control his magic from randomly killing people. The more he values life, the more he will randomly kill people.
Again....Darkness is a tremendous source of power, one that any human being can possess.
I guess I'll take your word for it, but again I'm not really seeing it. I agree that demolition fist is probably island level. The reason just has nothing to do with parting the clouds. It's just the fact that Ikusatsunagi has the sheer mass comparable to that of an small island, and Natsu blew him up. If you ask me, parting the clouds is the least impressive thing about demolition fist.
Didn't say it wasn't a good feat for Erza. But I don't see Deus Sema is causing more destruction than Eternal Flare, because I doubt Erza can overpower eternal flare with her slashes.
