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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Collab poster by Kishimoto
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Shonen Jump twitter account calling Muzan battle "one of the geatest battle of this era"...

Eh, it seems to be really popular outside of here right now. Plus, people might finally get a long running shonen series where the ending doesn't completely shit the bed.
 

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Manga that have a character poll happening these weeks:
-Kimetsu no Yaiba (supposedly)
-Act-age
-Chainsawman
-Dr.Stone
-Black Clover
-Haikyuu
-SpyxFamily (with Anya faces)

I'm now 95% confident about Jujutsu Kaisen getting its second character poll announced when it gets its anniversary cover.
 

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Manga that have a character poll happening these weeks:
-Kimetsu no Yaiba (supposedly)
-Act-age
-Chainsawman
-Dr.Stone
-Black Clover
-Haikyuu
-SpyxFamily (with Anya faces)

I'm now 95% confident about Jujutsu Kaisen getting its second character poll announced when it gets its anniversary cover.
Kimetsu's has been going on for a while already, but it's of a different kind, you need to buy volume 19 (or the magazine, I think?) to vote.
 

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Manga that have a character poll happening these weeks:
-Kimetsu no Yaiba (supposedly)
-Act-age
-Chainsawman
-Dr.Stone
-Black Clover
-Haikyuu
-SpyxFamily (with Anya faces)

I'm now 95% confident about Jujutsu Kaisen getting its second character poll announced when it gets its anniversary cover.
Why supposedly? Almost a month and the poll will close next week I think.
 

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Eh, it seems to be really popular outside of here right now. Plus, people might finally get a long running shonen series where the ending doesn't completely shit the bed.
Wouldn't say "really" popular. Even those hyping it are starting to realize some of the issues.
 

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Wouldn't say "really" popular. Even those hyping it are starting to realize some of the issues.
Though I agree that many KNY readers have found some issues with the final arc, to say that the KNY manga is not really popular given the weekly data that's been on this thread for the past few months is... interesting. Aside from lifetime sales obviously, I would argue it's CURRENTLY the most popular one (outside of this highly unrepresentative manga forum ofc).
 

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Kimetsu's has been going on for a while already, but it's of a different kind, you need to buy volume 19 (or the magazine, I think?) to vote.
That's the same as the last HeroAca one. How are they doing the others?
 

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Out of all the newbies (the new three not including Yozakura and Mitama), Undead Unluck seems like the most likely to succeed because it feels like the author is trying. Guardian of the Witch lacks any substance. The enemy that they're fighting right now is one of the most basic that I have read in a long time. The world is incredibly boring and the powers haven't been interesting (except for maybe the iron maiden sword). Mashle, I don't know how to feel about it. I think I like it, but I also feel like its gags will get old. One Punch Man had the benefit of an interesting side cast to contrast with Saitama. Mashle may have that in the future, but only time will tell.
 

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Out of all the newbies (the new three not including Yozakura and Mitama), Undead Unluck seems like the most likely to succeed because it feels like the author is trying. Guardian of the Witch lacks any substance. The enemy that they're fighting right now is one of the most basic that I have read in a long time. The world is incredibly boring and the powers haven't been interesting (except for maybe the iron maiden sword). Mashle, I don't know how to feel about it. I think I like it, but I also feel like its gags will get old. One Punch Man had the benefit of an interesting side cast to contrast with Saitama. Mashle may have that in the future, but only time will tell.
I have a similar opinion. I think Undead Unlucky is the most cohesive from all. I agree with Mashle, which I like, it has good ideas and the art is great and sometimes even inventive but I'm fearing that it's going to repeat the same jokes, which for JP, can or cannot go right.
 

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Though I agree that many KNY readers have found some issues with the final arc, to say that the KNY manga is not really popular given the weekly data that's been on this thread for the past few months is... interesting. Aside from lifetime sales obviously, I would argue it's CURRENTLY the most popular one (outside of this highly unrepresentative manga forum ofc).
We’re talking about reception toward the fight, not the series as a whole or any sales figures.

At least in the West, there’s more criticism of the series than there’s ever been. Obviously affected by the series’ popularity overall, but also because of this “final” fight.
 

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Eh, it seems to be really popular outside of here right now. Plus, people might finally get a long running shonen series where the ending doesn't completely shit the bed.
To be fair the whole popular just start after the big animation/season which KnY get, it really became very popular because of the anime, the current battle hasn´t really anything done with the great popular of KnY.

The fight and the ending is really bad, it’s full of legit asspulls, constant repetition with the fight, and very weak character work for Muzan. He’s so flat.
It never though that someone could surpass Kaguya - DemonKing - Big Mom as bad villian of all time in the history of the mangas. The previous arcs get great stuffs and also good writing villians with good fightstyle, Muzan as final villian is so bad he didn´t come even close to the greatness of the previous villians.

In my opinion the ending right now in KnY might be even worse then the one in Naruto/Bleach endings, at least their final villians get a better threat and also the fight wasn´t lame as right now the battle with Muzan.
 

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To be fair the whole popular just start after the big animation/season which KnY get, it really became very popular because of the anime, the current battle hasn´t really anything done with the great popular of KnY.

The fight and the ending is really bad, it’s full of legit asspulls, constant repetition with the fight, and very weak character work for Muzan. He’s so flat.
It never though that someone could surpass Kaguya - DemonKing - Big Mom as bad villian of all time in the history of the mangas. The previous arcs get great stuffs and also good writing villians with good fightstyle, Muzan as final villian is so bad he didn´t come even close to the greatness of the previous villians.

In my opinion the ending right now in KnY might be even worse then the one in Naruto/Bleach endings, at least their final villians get a better threat and also the fight wasn´t lame as right now the battle with Muzan.
Yeaaaaah, I'm not gonna take you seriously when you literally copypaste Aleczadar's tweets word for word.
 

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To be fair the whole popular just start after the big animation/season which KnY get, it really became very popular because of the anime, the current battle hasn´t really anything done with the great popular of KnY.

The fight and the ending is really bad, it’s full of legit asspulls, constant repetition with the fight, and very weak character work for Muzan. He’s so flat.
It never though that someone could surpass Kaguya - DemonKing - Big Mom as bad villian of all time in the history of the mangas. The previous arcs get great stuffs and also good writing villians with good fightstyle, Muzan as final villian is so bad he didn´t come even close to the greatness of the previous villians.

In my opinion the ending right now in KnY might be even worse then the one in Naruto/Bleach endings, at least their final villians get a better threat and also the fight wasn´t lame as right now the battle with Muzan.
That's really harsh. The first half was ok. But not to the extent of considering as even worse than Naruto/Bleach.

Also, I see "asspull" is becoming a word that has lost its meaning after that HxH chapter.
 

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Yeaaaaah, I'm not gonna take you seriously when you literally copypaste Aleczadar's tweets word for word.
I only take one sentence from him and use it because im 100% agree with him, don´t change my view how bad Muzan is written as villian.
 

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To be fair the whole popular just start after the big animation/season which KnY get, it really became very popular because of the anime, the current battle hasn´t really anything done with the great popular of KnY.
And it is still one of the best received series at 5ch and JP twitter, the manga even trended couple of times during this arc.
 

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That's really harsh. The first half was ok. But not to the extent of considering as even worse than Naruto/Bleach.
Should I copy all the panels of the battle, do you want really me to show how bad the battle is, almost 10 chapters with Muzan just swinging his idiotic tentacles? The previous battle are good written, the fight choreography when they fought against Kokushibo was insane good and one of the best fights which I see in the last years in the shonen weekly jump. But that doesn´t count how bad the fight is right now with Muzan, we should be fair in this one. If Muzan would be a villian in another mangas(as Fairy tail/OnePiece/Nanatsu) people who defend him would call him then trash and one of the worst villians. The fight is really bad until now.

And it is still one of the best received series at 5ch and JP twitter, the manga even trended couple of times during this arc.
Yeah but not because of the Muzan fight lol, the battle is really kinda bad.
 

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Should I copy all the panels of the battle, do you want really me to show how bad the battle is, almost 10 chapters with Muzan just swinging his idiotic tentacles? The previous battle are good written, the fight choreography when they fought against Kokushibo was insane good and one of the best fights which I see in the last years in the shonen weekly jump. But that doesn´t count how bad the fight is right now with Muzan, we should be fair in this one. If Muzan would be a villian in another mangas(as Fairy tail/OnePiece/Nanatsu) people who defend him would call him then trash and one of the worst villians. The fight is really bad until now.



Yeah but not because of the Muzan fight lol, the battle is really kinda bad.
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And it is still one of the best received series at 5ch and JP twitter, the manga even trended couple of times during this arc.
Incidentally, what is 5ch and JP twitter's current opinions on the recent series?
 

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We’re talking about reception toward the fight, not the series as a whole or any sales figures.

At least in the West, there’s more criticism of the series than there’s ever been. Obviously affected by the series’ popularity overall, but also because of this “final” fight.
Reception towards the fight, while not perfect, is largely better than the reactions towards other similarly popular shonen 'endings'. And a large contributing factor towards the criticism is that the anime ended right at the start of this final fight, allowing new readers to binge read the story up to the fight while having to wait for this final fight on a weekly basis with short chapters. I'd imagine there'd be a lot less people complaining if the manga had already been completed when they began reading, given that the same pacing criticisms given to the Muzan fight were also made of the Red Light District and Upper Moon 1 fights when they were being released on a weekly basis, while new binge-readers found those fights one of the best.

No matter how awry this fight may have gone for some, I think the comparison with Bleach/Naruto made by a user above is a bit exaggerated and goes to show how exposure of an increasingly popular series leads to inevitably more criticism, as you mentioned. Nobody (bar some blinded and unrepresentative fans) is calling it a masterpiece, but at least let the manga actually end before commenting on the ending itself.
 

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Yeah but not because of the Muzan fight lol, the battle is really kinda bad.
I am not interested in discussing it here but Muzan fights has been well received on JP polls and on 5ch better than most series even if they aren't indicative of everyone opinion it still show people like the series and well even if the current part is a masterpiece it wouldn't have gotten more popular because how can it ?
 

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Should I copy all the panels of the battle, do you want really me to show how bad the battle is, almost 10 chapters with Muzan just swinging his idiotic tentacles? The previous battle are good written, the fight choreography when they fought against Kokushibo was insane good and one of the best fights which I see in the last years in the shonen weekly jump. But that doesn´t count how bad the fight is right now with Muzan, we should be fair in this one. If Muzan would be a villian in another mangas(as Fairy tail/OnePiece/Nanatsu) people who defend him would call him then trash and one of the worst villians. The fight is really bad until now.



Yeah but not because of the Muzan fight lol, the battle is really kinda bad.
I do agree there some issues about the pacing and Muzan itself but considering it as that it can get a worse ending than Naruto/Bleach is really going out of the rails. I mean that's overreacting a lot.
 
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