Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Doesn’t change anything as they were still visibly wounded from them, so they are not invinsible.

that is only because in every encounter with Dragons the wizards have been weaken substantially prior

Ok so until there is a wizard that can beat a dragon, dragons will always be tiers above mages.

 

[GL_Nova]

Exactly. Acnologia has greater physical strength as a dragon than as a human, despite having equal amounts of MP. Igneel has physical strength pretty much on par with Acnologia. Natsu is literally gaining aspects of a dragon when he uses dragon force, and the dragon he takes after is Igneel. Why would he not inherit Igneel's physical strength if he's physically becoming more like Igneel?

If you want to say the Spriggans are country level based on hype, then you might as well take Mercphobia's hype of being on Acnologia's level at face value. That would make him stronger than all the Spriggans, plus Zeref. Anyways, none of the Spriggans can casually flood a city because their power was too great to contain. Stuff like Sand World is already a high-level move for them. Mercphobia wasn't even fighting seriously when he lifted the ocean.

I'm actually not too terribly concerned with how DF Natsu stacks up against Irene, or whatever it is you're trying to argue with Mercphobia here. The bottom line here is that Ignia with just one attack is able to make Natsu strong enough to defeat Mercphobia. Natsu wiped out all of Mercphobia's magic power for the foreseeable future, and would have kept going if Lucy hadn't stopped him. Unless Irene is much stronger than Mercphobia, and would beat Natsu with Ignia's flames where Mercphobia failed, then Ignia himself would oneshot Irene with the attack he used to feed Natsu.

@Verter said what he said. If he meant something else, he should have said something else.

The Spriggan are country based on feats though.

 

[Axiomus]

@Verter I really have no clue what you're trying to say, and what I'm hearing from you has nothing to do with what I'm saying. So let me reiterate my argument.

1) Mercphobia is stronger than Irene.
Right off the bat, the God Dragons are stated to be around Acnologia's level by multiple characters. If you don't believe this, then it's your word against the manga's. Even if Mercphobia was only around half of Acnologia's level, he is still stronger than Irene. Irene is at best only 1/3rd of the power of the Alvarez Empire, and Acnologia is stronger than the Alvarez Empire and Ishgal combined. I flat out disagree with you when you say Mercphobia doesn't have impressive feats, because he does. Passively, his powers are so great that he floods a city every day without even trying. He lifted the ocean and created a whirlpool that was going to kill Natsu while the other members of team Natsu could only watch in horror. He can tank the combined efforts of team, including multiple FDK spells from Natsu. Mercphobia does all of this without even using half his strength.

2) Natsu with Ignia's flames stomped Mercphobia in an overkill
Natsu didn't just beat Mercphobia. He wiped out all of Mercphobia's magic power for the rest of his life and reverted him to a regular human. Natsu would have kept going too, if not for the fact that Lucy calmed him down. To put it bluntly, Irene would have to be leagues above Mercphobia to prevent Natsu from beating her up in the same way. And she's not.

3) No matter how strong you think POF makes Erza, Natsu with savage flames of emotions is still stronger. Natsu with Ignia's flames is stronger than Natsu with savage flames of emotion.
Base Zeref is already stronger than Irene. Fairy Heart makes Zeref even stronger. Natsu's flames of savage emotions can beat Zeref. Ignia's flames are just as hot as flames of savage emotion in the sense that they can burn Natsu's own hands. Zeref noted that his magic and time itself was burning before Natsu's hands started to burn, so the temperatures required to burn Natsu's own hands exceeds the temperatures required to burn time. Ignia's flames not only achieves the temperatures necessary to burn time, but they also increase Natsu's physical strength immensely with Dragon Force.

4) Ignia himself would oneshot Irene. Selene and Aldoron, if they are on the same level as Ignia, would also oneshot Irene.
All of the power that Natsu got from eating Ignia's flames comes from just one of Ignia's attack. Unless Irene is flat out stronger than Natsu with Ignia's flames, then there's no reason Ignia won't be able to oneshot Irene. Selene negated the White Witch's powers while taking a bath in some mountain far away, and the White Witch is on Zeref's level. And yes, White Witch is absolutely on Zeref's level because she pretty much soloed the entire Fairy Tail guild. She had all the magic power of the entire guild. Aldoron is just massive and has literal cities on his hands. With the latest chapter, Aldoron has one of the best durability feat in the series. He tanked multiple explosions the size of entire cities.

Spoiler: The scale of Aldoron's feats

 

[Verter]

Ok so until there is a wizard that can beat a dragon, dragons will always be tiers above mages.

Wizards (ones who use magic) can not beat dragons (technically), because dragon scales [almost] immune to all kind of magic (exclude dragon slaying magic).
But, it won't be surprise if curses will work on dragons (so that's why at least some dragons fear E.N.D.).

But I think @WoWfan said about physical damage, and don't about magic.

 

[Axiomus]

The Spriggan are country based on feats though.

What feats?

 

[Verter]

What feats?

Techically, Wahl intercontinental cannon has better feats then Aldoron in last chapter. As well as Irene One World.

 

[WoWfan]

a wizard that is at their full capacity, not minuscule dregs of their strength

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 12, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 12, 2020 ---

What feats?

Brandish powerful enough to make nations vanish or Wall with his Nuclear fusion feat and Irene with Universe One or August with his suicide feat

 

[Verter]

1) Mercphobia is stronger than Irene.

2) Natsu with Ignia's flames stomped Mercphobia in an overkill

3) No matter how strong you think POF makes Erza, Natsu with savage flames of emotions is still stronger. Natsu with Ignia's flames is stronger than Natsu with savage flames of emotion.

4) Ignia himself would oneshot Irene. Selene and Aldoron, if they are on the same level as Ignia, would also oneshot Irene.

1, I don't think so, I trust in Queen of Dragons and Great Enchanter.

2. That just confirm how trashy Merc is.
If both are at same (Acno) level, difference between them should not be so serious.

3. Natsu PoF probably stronger then Erza PoF, I don't disagree with it.
I believe Natsu PoF far stronger. Someone like Lucy did not see PoF Natsu vs Zeref or vs Acno. So, for her maybe Natsu vs Merc is most terrifying.

4. Mere daydreams.

Let me troll a few. Acno did not oneshot Cobra, Sting, Rogue, Laxus, Wendy.. Acno attack even was blocked by Jellal...

 

[Axiomus]

• Wall's etherion is featless, and would have been countered by Laxus' jutsu shiki. Just because Wall can use etherion, it doesn't mean it's as powerful as the council's Etherion.
• Brandish making nations disappearing is hype.
• Universe One doesn't really do any damage, and it requires preparation.
• Ars Magia could indeed destroy a country, but it's a suicide spell.

1, I don't think so, I trust in Queen of Dragons and Great Enchanter.

2. That just confirm how trashy Merc is.
If both are at same (Acno) level, difference between them should not be so serious.

3. Natsu PoF probably stronger then Erza PoF, I don't disagree with it.
I believe Natsu PoF far stronger. Someone like Lucy did not see PoF Natsu vs Zeref or vs Acno. So, for her maybe Natsu vs Merc is most terrifying.

4. Mere daydreams.

Let me troll a few. Acno did not oneshot Cobra, Sting, Rogue, Laxus, Wendy.. Acno attack even was blocked by Jellal...

1) You have no real argument here. You're simply wanking Irene.
2) Mercphobia was weakened to 50% of his power
3) Wendy did. Also, it doesn't matter. Natsu had POF against Mercphobia too. Ignia literally told him to use it.
4) Again, no real argument against it.

 

[WoWfan]

not featless, it is country level from the energy it produces. even before that, Not hype when other Spriggan are capable of this. it does as it compresses the nation and there is damage, and Irene mulit-tasks, doesn't change he already is Country level

 

[Verter]

You're simply wanking Irene.

At least I'm not one who doing it on Merc..

 

[Axiomus]

At least I'm not one who doing it on Merc..

I'm not wanking Mercphobia. I simply read the manga, and take it at face value. It's your word versus the manga's.

 

[Ramen]

Lol. Ax wins this debate 10/10 times.

You're country level if you can destroy a country. Only spriggan to possible do it is August.

 

[Verter]

And I'm not wanking Mercphobia either. I simply read the manga, and take it at face value.

To begin, how come that old dude know real Acno power ?

I wonder one who even faced part of his power was easily turned to corpse.

That old dude is walkndead ?

 

[Axiomus]

not featless, it is country level from the energy it produces. even before that, Not hype when other Spriggan are capable of this. it does as it compresses the nation and there is damage, and Irene mulit-tasks, doesn't change he already is Country level

Yeah, it's featless. The energy it produced did not destroy a country. Like I said, Spriggans being country level is all hype. They don't actually have feats of destroying a country. The only Spriggans with country level feats are Irene and August, and it's no easy task for them.

To begin, how come that old dude know real Acno power ?

I wonder one who even faced part of his power was easily turned to corpse.

That old dude is walkndead ?

He's been around for 100 years, and is the guild master of the first wizard guild. Even if he doesn't know Acnologia's real power when he goes all out, the fact that he's ballparking the god dragons on his level at all speaks volumes. Not that it matters, because my argument works under the assumption that Mercphobia is only 50% of Acnologia's power.

 

[Fyron]

I think the misunderstanding of putting Irene on Merc's level comes from her status as a queen of dragons. If you think so , then you're wrong.

Irene was the ruler of a single country , Dragnof. She ruled the dragons who resided in that particular country. She wasn't the ruler of dragons all over the world. She wasn't famous and respected everywhere in the entire world like Igneel was. You can argue she was the strongest in her country , sure. Doesn't mean she's one of the strongest worldwide. Dragnof isn't th only place where dragons resided. For all we know , the dragons in Dragnof might not be high tier dragons either. We know that the civil war between the dragons and humans was almost to the point of going either way after DS magic even before Acno cropped in. Which means average dragons' raw power wasn't all that stronger than the human dragon slayers , and mind you that was an era with low ethernano levels.

Acno , Igneel and Ignia are all god tier dragons. Other dragon gods might or might not be god tier , but they're at least top tier. Any of these dragons would've most likely soloed Irene and her entire royal roster of dragons in her palace . Even portrayal wise Irene being stronger than them doesn't make sense. Irene was a subordinate in the Alvarez Empire. Someone who is equal to her immediate superior wants to steal away the powers of the god dragons but cannot do it directly and has to use tricks to do that , and she failed to do that in the recent chapter. Even narrative wise it doesn't make sense

 

[Verter]

He's been around for 100 years, and is the guild master of the first wizard guild. Even if he doesn't know Acnologia's real power when he goes all out, the fact that he's ballparking the god dragons on his level at all speaks volumes. Not that it matters, because my argument works under the assumption that Mercphobia is only 50% of Acnologia's power.

So, he only suggest Acno power by his imagination ? I correctly understand you ?

How one who never face Acno (and he never faced him, because vice versa Acno slayed him for be DS) may speak about Acno power ?! It's ridiculous since the beginning.

 

[Axiomus]

So, he only suggest Acno power by his imagination ? I correctly understand you ?

How one who never face Acno (and he never faced him, because vice versa Acno slayed him for be DS) may speak about Acno power ?! It's ridiculous since the beginning.

Nope. Acnologia's reared his heads a couple of times by now. Honestly, pretty much everyone should have at least heard rumours about how he rampaged around Fiore during the Alvarez arc.

 

[Verter]

Nope. Acnologia's reared his heads a couple of times by now. Honestly, pretty much everyone should have at least heard rumours about how he rampaged around Fiore during the Alvarez arc.

Why "nope" ? If you here stated about rumours.

So, rumours now is base for determining "power level" ?! GG.
Avatar ppl heard a lof of rumours too.

 

[Axiomus]

I think the misunderstanding of putting Irene on Merc's level comes from her status as a queen of dragons. If you think so , then you're wrong.

Irene was the ruler of a single country , Dragnof. She ruled the dragons who resided in that particular country. She wasn't the ruler of dragons all over the world. She wasn't famous and respected everywhere in the entire world like Igneel was. You can argue she was the strongest in her country , sure. Doesn't mean she's one of the strongest worldwide. Dragnof isn't th only place where dragons resided. For all we know , the dragons in Dragnof might not be high tier dragons either. We know that the civil war between the dragons and humans was almost to the point of going either way after DS magic even before Acno cropped in. Which means average dragons' raw power wasn't all that stronger than the human dragon slayers , and mind you that was an era with low ethernano levels.

Acno , Igneel and Ignia are all god tier dragons. Other dragon gods might or might not be god tier , but they're at least top tier. Any of these dragons would've most likely soloed Irene and her entire royal roster of dragons in her palace . Even portrayal wise Irene being stronger than them doesn't make sense. Irene was a subordinate in the Alvarez Empire. Someone who is equal to her immediate superior wants to steal away the powers of the god dragons but cannot do it directly and has to use tricks to do that , and she failed to do that in the recent chapter. Even narrative wise it doesn't make sense

Honestly, Irene's probably not even stronger than any of the parent dragons. The parent dragons disabled hundreds of faces across the continent of Ishgal after it was activated. If Wendy's magic enchanted into Erza's sword was enough to take down Irene, Grandeneey alone can probably defeat Irene. Igneel is stronger than those 4 parent dragons, and Ignia should be on Igneel's level.

Why "nope" ? If you here stated about rumours.

So, rumours now is base for determining "power level" ?! GG.
Avatar ppl heard a lof of rumours too.

Because he's not working on his imagination. If he's heard about what Acnologia has done before, he could be basing his opinions based on that. Anyways, the whole point of Elfseria's line is to give context for what the 100YQ is about. Unless you believe Mashima is purposely being deceptive, then there's no reason to believe Elfseria's statement is inaccurate.