One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[M3J]

What if it takes a while to charge because whats-his-name is gathering as much haki as he can into his fist?

 

[Pirate Queen]

First, how do you know that King's Punch doesnt have haki applied? Looks like nothing but haki to me, after all, it can one shot a Yonko.

Second, destroying the golem doesnt destroy real Pica, regardless if haki is used or not. CoO obviously doesn't help unless u can reach him beneath all that stone. For example, Luffy who has CoO, attacked the head, location where Pica wasnt.

All you need to do is trap him, it's not rocket science... How are people with low DC going to trap him when the guy with highest DC cant? Clean separation from the ground is required, that's why Zoro has lifted the mountain, to cut off the connection with the ground and that's something punchers like Luffy and Elizabello cant do.
Fujitora is the only one who could have dealt with Pica besides Zoro since he has shown the ability to lift the entire golem up in the sky but even that only works if it is fast enough before Pica realizes that he is trying to lift him up.

Show me the proof it can oneshot a Yonko, because rereading Dressrosa, there is nothing but a rumor it can floor a Yonko... let alone oneshot a yonko. And it's more well known feat is just reducing and enemy fortress to rubble.

0 proof it can one shot a Yonko.

Any attack that can reduce the stones to small enough pieces that Pica can't escape is enough to wreck him.

Zoro himself didn't know that would happen until he actually did it.

So yeah, not rocket science. Zoro was simply lucky Pica didnt escape to the bottom of his golem rather than the top.... that's it.

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What if it takes a while to charge because whats-his-name is gathering as much haki as he can into his fist?

It would have to be proven first. The fact that it can't reach Pica's body is proof it's not haki because of it was haki it would have reached Pica, even if it was just shockwaves. That onto of not being address as haki related in a single panel were as much smaller attacks were singled out as being haki related.

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Destroying Pica golen from the middle or bottom works just as well as splitting Pica so long as Pica escapes UP and not DOWN. Many attacks are sufficient enough to do it.

 

[nik87]

Show me the proof it can oneshot a Yonko, because rereading Dressrosa, there is nothing but a rumor it can floor a Yonko... let alone oneshot a yonko. And it's more well known feat is just reducing and enemy fortress to rubble.

0 proof it can one shot a Yonko.
Any attack that can reduce the stones to small enough pieces that Pica can't escape is enough to wreck him.
Zoro himself didn't know that would happen until he actually did it.
So yeah, not rocket science. Zoro was simply lucky Pica didnt escape to the bottom of his golem rather than the top.... that's it.

Well, that rumor is more hype than any other single attack has. Did you forget the horror it releases? Just look at it, there is nothing alike.

Spoiler: KP

Any attack that can reduce stones to small enough pieces is obviously not enough because that horror of KP isnt enough despite being able to shatter entire stone mountain. Anything that Luffy has in his repertoire is below it, far below it. As I said, it is easier said than done. "Looked easy for Zoro, must be easy for everyone else..."

It would have to be proven first. The fact that it can't reach Pica's body is proof it's not haki because of it was haki it would have reached Pica, even if it was just shockwaves. That onto of not being address as haki related in a single panel were as much smaller attacks were singled out as being haki related.

Haki blast doesnt affect insides, it is penetration that reaches inside. Single punch with all haki put into it does seem to be what King's Punch is, otherwise why be exhausted and unable to use it fully for entire hour? Sounds exactly like what Luffy was experiencing in Dressrosa while being unable to use Haki for 10 minutes... I am 99% sure that KP is a haki blast on an entirely another level.

Destroying Pica golen from the middle or bottom works just as well as splitting Pica so long as Pica escapes UP and not DOWN. Many attacks are sufficient enough to do it.

Yeah but who has the DC and effectiveness to do it? Remember that the highest DC in the verse is ineffective so while people may have the required DC, they may be ineffective just like King's Punch...

 

[Fox666]

First, how do you know that King's Punch doesnt have haki applied? Looks like nothing but haki to me, after all, it can one shot a Yonko.

Elizabello does use Haki on his King Punch:

Spoiler

Also the King Punch was meant to show that nothing, even Haki, can break Bartolomeo barrier.

I'm also going to say that Elizabello uses Conqueror Haki, because of course he does.

0 proof it can one shot a Yonko.

Does it need proof?

It was said that Elizabello can knock down a Yonko, and there's no reason to doubt it.

Besides King Punch is unusually powerful, even for One Piece standards.

Chinjao has a bounty of 500 million, and his headbutt attack could split the ground on a whim. And even the "soft version" of King Punch that Elizabello can use without any delay was equally powerful to Chinjao's attack. How strong the King Punch becomes after charging for 10 minutes?

Besides I think that the King Punch can knock down a Yonko at blank point. I'm sure even Kaido or Big Mom would take a nap after taking one of these to the head. Of course Shanks or Whitebeard don't have an indestructible skin, so even the long-range attack would be troublesome for them.

But the drawbacks of King Punch are fair. It takes 10 minutes to charge. Elizabello is not very strong, and was defeated by a single attack of Bartolomeo. So in a real combat, Elizabello would never get the chance to use the King Punch against a Yonko.

 

[XXGenesis]

Why & How is Pica Weak? He's Doffy 3rd strongest follower.



Pica wasnt the strongest but he wasnt weak. & his ability is hard to counter...

Zoro's feat as a swordsman vs Pica as witnessed by NW citizens was a sight too.

Luffy has to use G3 to counter standard Giant Pica..But He'll need a G3 gattling attack similar to Noah or G4 to break his City lv Form.

Pica isn't that easy to defeat depending on the location. Imagine him at the Celetials City, he could wreck the entire thing. Are we forgetting when Pics assimilated with the city and changed the whole thing..

I like Doffy's Crew because they are weird and arent OP but overall he has a really solid crew. Vergo imo is about 300M threat, with Pica,Diamante, Trebol & even Lao G being around 200M+. Then you have Senior Pink, Gladius & Delliger...100M+ Threats....Everyone else is under 100M threat...like Baby 5, Machivise & giola & Buffalo.....

 

[nik87]

Imagine him at the Celetials City

Lmao, never thought of this. At Red Line he is probably unbeatable with that amount of stone.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Elizabello does use Haki on his King Punch:

Spoiler

Also the King Punch was meant to show that nothing, even Haki, can break Bartolomeo barrier.

I'm also going to say that Elizabello uses Conqueror Haki, because of course he does.


Does it need proof?

It was said that Elizabello can knock down a Yonko, and there's no reason to doubt it.

Besides King Punch is unusually powerful, even for One Piece standards.

Chinjao has a bounty of 500 million, and his headbutt attack could split the ground on a whim. And even the "soft version" of King Punch that Elizabello can use without any delay was equally powerful to Chinjao's attack. How strong the King Punch becomes after charging for 10 minutes?

Besides I think that the King Punch can knock down a Yonko at blank point. I'm sure even Kaido or Big Mom would take a nap after taking one of these to the head. Of course Shanks or Whitebeard don't have an indestructible skin, so even the long-range attack would be troublesome for them.

But the drawbacks of King Punch are fair. It takes 10 minutes to charge. Elizabello is not very strong, and was defeated by a single attack of Bartolomeo. So in a real combat, Elizabello would never get the chance to use the King Punch against a Yonko.

One shotting a Yonko and knocking a down are 2 different things. Nik said it can 1 shot a yonko... I disagree.

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Why & How is Pica Weak? He's Doffy 3rd strongest follower.



Pica wasnt the strongest but he wasnt weak. & his ability is hard to counter...

Zoro's feat as a swordsman vs Pica as witnessed by NW citizens was a sight too.

Luffy has to use G3 to counter standard Giant Pica..But He'll need a G3 gattling attack similar to Noah or G4 to break his City lv Form.

Pica isn't that easy to defeat depending on the location. Imagine him at the Celetials City, he could wreck the entire thing. Are we forgetting when Pics assimilated with the city and changed the whole thing..

I like Doffy's Crew because they are weird and arent OP but overall he has a really solid crew. Vergo imo is about 300M threat, with Pica,Diamante, Trebol & even Lao G being around 200M+. Then you have Senior Pink, Gladius & Delliger...100M+ Threats....Everyone else is under 100M threat...like Baby 5, Machivise & giola & Buffalo.....

Hard to counter doesnt equate strength. Hard to counter just means he's trouble some.

Being 3rd strongest on a Shichibukai crew isn't that impressive in my opinion especially since he hid and ran from Zoro most of the fight

Pica could probably last a while against Kaido because of his evasiveness but it dowsnt make him strong.

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To be fair, anyone but Dolfamingo, Law, Luffy, Fujitora, Vergo, Diamante, Sanji etc look weak in comparison to Zoro.... Pica especially

 

[XXGenesis]

Troublesome can equal being a decent threat lv..Pica in his giant form isn't easy to dispatch....period.

Zoro was Pica's better by almost 3 fold..

Zoro cannot be the measure for Pica's strength, Zoro is not equal to Pica he's way stronger than him.

Pica is a threat, dont downplay him as of he's not. He's just one of those incompetent glass cannons.

I think many believe Doffy's crew to be fodderish but they really arent. They are just balanced.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Troublesome can equal being a decent threat lv..Pica in his giant form isn't easy to dispatch....period.

Zoro was Pica's better by almost 3 fold..

Zoro cannot be the measure for Pica's strength, Zoro is not equal to Pica he's way stronger than him.

Pica is a threat, dont downplay him as of he's not. He's just one of those incompetent glass cannons.

I think many believe Doffy's crew to be fodderish but they really arent. They are just balanced.

In this i disagree. I've already explained in detail why he's not so I'll just agree to disagree here. Good debate tho!

You made some good points

 

[hokageji]

Cutting the stone or smashing it leads to the same result... Pica can't escape in a pebble so as long the rock is destroyed he is wrecked.

Well, if you can into two halves, sure. THe key was to reduce Pica's reach from the stone to identify his real body and my point is, of the people around over there, Zoro was best suited.

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Does it need proof?

It was said that Elizabello can knock down a Yonko, and there's no reason to doubt it.

just addin to what lexus already said, the manga states that its rumored to have the power to take down the yonko, whether it can actually take it down or not is a different thing.

 

[XXGenesis]

Pica is definitely an annoying opponent who can stall any opponent changing the environment. Or possibly Overpower the likes of Daifuku or Oven with his size advantage which can only be addressed in so many ways.

A Swordsman of Zoro's caliber is a bad matchup for Pica overall. His ability isn't as useful when the swordsman can divide his body up limiting his control.

Kings Punch isn't K.O a Yonkou...Hurting a Yonkou yes I can see it doing that. But it's not going to K.O any of them...Its a kool ass charge up 1 shot move. Though.

 

[nik87]

Kings Punch isn't K.O a Yonkou...Hurting a Yonkou yes I can see it doing that. But it's not going to K.O any of them...Its a kool ass charge up 1 shot move. Though.

Considering the drawback, anything else other than defeating the Yonko would be bad, no?

 

[XXGenesis]

Considering the drawback, anything else other than defeating the Yonko would be bad, no?

No. If it was another character that had a move with 1 hour limit, it would be different. The King as base or Standard fighting isn't strong. I would measure him somewhere around Franky when he was 1st introduced.

If I'm not mistaken he used the full power punch against Pica's ruble & in the Coliseum? If so no, that's not taking out a Yonkou, but I'm sure itll cause them to flinch

 

[nik87]

If I'm not mistaken he used the full power punch against Pica's ruble & in the Coliseum? If so no, that's not taking out a Yonkou, but I'm sure itll cause them to flinch

Well, in Coliseum it was paired with an unbeatable plot element - the Barrier.
It punched away, from far distance, more than half a stone mountain.
Those are impressive feats, it would defeat any Yonko if it lands clean, imo.

 

[XXGenesis]

Well, in Coliseum it was paired with an unbeatable plot element - the Barrier.
It punched away, from far distance, more than half a stone mountain.
Those are impressive feats, it would defeat any Yonko if it lands clean, imo.

Interesting how you view their durability

 

[nik87]

Interesting how you view their durability

Did you see Big Mom taken out by Queen?
Did you see what Oden did to Kaido?
Their durability is not saving them from their equal. King's Punch is the strongest attack to date that we have gotten, it would defeat any emperor considering that Queen's Brachio Bomber put BM to sleep and Oden's single slash didnt kill Kaido only thanks to his huge dragon form(imagine that attack landing on his humanoid form)...

 

[Fox666]

If I'm not mistaken he used the full power punch against Pica's ruble & in the Coliseum?

AFAIK sending away Pica's gigantic statue from a far distance is the greatest feat of pure strength in the series.

The only thing that ever compares to King Punch in the series is Kaido swinging his mace:

And Kaido defeated Oden with it, who was Yonko-level.

So there you go, King Punch can knock down a Yonko.

 

[hokageji]

wait, Oden was Yonko level? What proof do we have of that?

 

[Pirate Queen]

wait, Oden was Yonko level? What proof do we have of that?

Fanfiction.net has tons of proof Oden was Yonko level.

 

[M3J]

Fanfiction.net has tons of proof Oden was Yonko level.

Who are you mocking? I forgot who brought that up.

But I think it was assumed Oden was Yonko level because he managed to hurt Kaidou and was on par with Whitebeard?