Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

It does because they are resistant to magic because everyone through magic at them and it didn't work. Physical weapons do work as the soldiers of the past have proven. Kagura's sword is for magic usage. That does mean Belserion is unreliable, he should have, he did not think that such a thing was possible so he would have thought of what might happen, he was suppose to protect Irene anyway. he is just being hyperbolic. Yet it did happen, Belserion was just an idiot for letting his pride get the better of him. Non of them showed weapons, even if we take the anime into consideration, none of them had weapons nor uniforms to match. DS enchanted weapons concept did not even exist back them. DS are weakened back then so their attacks would not be as effective, even then Dragons did not kill anyone then

And the reason they couldn't scratch them with magic was because the scales were too hard, as the person carrying one of the best sword in the series is telling you. Even if you take away the magic from Kagura's sword, it's still a sword. It still cannot scratch the dragons.

Belserion, the Dragon of Wisdom = An idiot? Not being able to predict the side effects of dragon slaying magic has absolutely nothing to do with assessing the power it takes to beat a dragons. Belserion wasn't speaking out of pride. He was speaking out of concern to protect Irene. If he thought that humans could hurt dragons, he would have let them join the fight.

Like I said, all of the soldiers going into battle would have been dragon slayers. How do you know that not a single one carried weapons? Some would have been former soldiers, and may have opted to carry weapons out of habit. Some may have ditched them. Also, how do you know enchanting dragon slaying magic into weapons wasn't a concept? And no, Irene going "wha-?" isn't proof that enchanting DS magic wasn't a concept. Irene could have simply been surprised that Wendy was able to pull it off because you know....Wendy was unconscious up until a few moments ago.

It's not just during the GMG. Current Gajeel would still struggle to do much against an average dragon like Animus. Base Natsu can block Gajeel's secret art, which is when he turns his arms into a giant sword. Animus is physically tougher than base Natsu (his horn impaled Natsu's torso), and would likely outright defeat Gajeel. This idea that a regular foot-soldier is taking down a dragon with a regular spear is insane.

 

[WoWfan]

Kagura used magic regardless of a sword or not, she refers to how their scales are resistant to magic by their toughness, DS magic just bypasses that resistance, Yes it does, Belserion does not even know that regular magic can even affect dragons, That right there is pride because he is responsible to a fault. no, there is no proof that any of the soldiers were dragon slayers as they were just like any other soldiers. Like I said, none of them have shown to use weapons nor wear uniforms. where is the evidence that they did ditch them? are there statements? Yes it is, because the fact that DS magic can be enchanted into others, they did not even invent the idea since then? no, because no one did it Until Wendy did, there was no reason Irene should be surprised at that point, especially when Irene was surprised twice by her, this was something entirely new. Natsu would have beaten Animus anyway, he clearly got up from one of his attacks so there is no reason that they are superior then

 

[Axiomus]

Kagura used magic regardless of a sword or not, she refers to how their scales are resistant to magic by their toughness, DS magic just bypasses that resistance, Yes it does, Belserion does not even know that regular magic can even affect dragons, That right there is pride because he is responsible to a fault. no, there is no proof that any of the soldiers were dragon slayers as they were just like any other soldiers. Like I said, none of them have shown to use weapons nor wear uniforms. where is the evidence that they did ditch them? are there statements? Yes it is, because the fact that DS magic can be enchanted into others, they did not even invent the idea since then? no, because no one did it Until Wendy did, there was no reason Irene should be surprised at that point, especially when Irene was surprised twice by her, this was something entirely new. Natsu would have beaten Animus anyway, he clearly got up from one of his attacks so there is no reason that they are superior then

Kagura's exact words were that the "scales are too hard". She doesn't say anything about scales being resistant to magic. Nobody in the entire series says that. Only Acnologia was stated to have a blanket resistance to all magic. Even if Kagura sword has magic, she could still use it as a regular sword if she wanted to.

Lmao....The entire chapter before was to set up how Dragon Slayers were joining the war....and you think none of the soldiers on the battlefield were dragon slayers? Unreal. Yeah, no this is too much for me. Last post.

Dragon Slaying Magic is an enchantment to begin with. Enchanting power into weapons was already a thing, as shown from the fact that Irene can enchant a stick to break a sword. You would think that enchanting power into an inanimate object would be easier than enchanting it into a living thing. This isn't some genius level magic. If Wendy could come up with this idea on the fly, you really think nobody managed to come up with this idea 400 years ago when they were preparing to go to war? And actually, here's your example of a dragon slayer carrying weapons. When Rogue killed future Lucy, he threw a sword coated with his shadow dragon slaying magic. So not only is it perfectly reasonable to assume a dragon slayer can carry weapons, but they can use their magic with their weapons.

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Natsu would have beaten Animus anyways? Lol. There was a massive amount of unexplained POF that healed his wounds, and then he had to turn half of his body into that of a dragon to beat Animus. You think base Gajeel could just shrug off a hole in the middle of his body, and then beat down Animus?

 

[WoWfan]

because magic is ineffective against them. Dragons are the same as Dorma Anim which is resistant to magic, and even DS are able to harm it because it is equivalent to a dragon. Enchanting Dragon power was for humans, not weapons, back then enchantment was just to strengthen powers, Wendy would if Irene was surprised and she was a master of that, she could have enchanted her power away into another since it was a cause to her affliction. sing their magic to make weapons is not the same as imbuing their magic into weapons, Rogue created a dagger, not imbued his magic into it. There was no healing involved, Natsu has that much stamina, he is that strong. that was after he ate the Dragon Cry, different situation. Natsu can shrug off a bullet to the mouth, that is nothing.

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long story short, DS do not automatically get a power increase just because they are facing a dragon, they can just simply bypass their magic resistance and actually hurt the dragons, even though it is minuscule when they are weakened.

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and let me ask, who is stronger? GMG version of Mira who is fresh and ready to go, or Wendy who was weakened and used up most of her power fighting constantly?

 

[Axiomus]

because magic is ineffective against them. Dragons are the same as Dorma Anim which is resistant to magic, and even DS are able to harm it because it is equivalent to a dragon. Enchanting Dragon power was for humans, not weapons, back then enchantment was just to strengthen powers, Wendy would if Irene was surprised and she was a master of that, she could have enchanted her power away into another since it was a cause to her affliction. sing their magic to make weapons is not the same as imbuing their magic into weapons. There was no healing involved, Natsu has that much stamina, he is that strong. that was after he ate the Dragon Cry, different situation. Natsu can shrug off a bullet to the mouth, that is nothing.

Dorma Anim is a mech and doesn't use any dragon powers. It's not comparable to an actual dragon. It's just made out of a magic resistant material, similar to the Eclipse Gate. This material apparently isn't very resistant to dragon slaying magic.

If Wendy could figure out how to enchant dragon slaying magic into weapons, then I'm sure anyone else can figure it out. Actually, like we see with Rogue, you don't actually have to even enchant the weapon if you're a dragon slayer. Just coat the weapon with magic. It's no different from coating your fist with magic, and would still get the job done. Enchanting is really only useful if you are not already a dragon slayer, and like I said....anyone participating the battle would have been a dragon slayer.

Obviously there was POF and healing involved. Natsu had a big gaping hole in his body. Then Lucy's tears fell into his mouth and he had flashbacks of everyone. Then he woke up and literally gives a nakama speech as he powered up. By the way, Animus was weakened the same way the parent dragons were weakened and had to seal himself in Sonya. Eating dragon cry only allowed Animus to recover his full strength from before he was weakened. Weakened Animus fatally wounded base Natsu, and full powered Animus was winning the exchanges against POF Natsu. It was only when Natsu dragonized that Animus called upon dragon cry for more power. Gajeel isn't even beating weakened Animus that poked a hole through Natsu.

Nobody is saying dragon slayers get a power boost when fighting dragons, and obviously Mirajane is stronger than Wendy. Dragon Slaying Magic simply does more damage to dragons compared to other magic. The same way devil slaying magic does more damage to demons, or god slaying magic does more damage to gods. There's no bypassing a dragon's resistance to magic, because dragons don't have a blanket resistance to magic in the first place. Their scales are simply super hard. If the dragon is too strong, then even having dragon slaying magic still won't do much damage. We've seen this with Mercphobia and Aldoron.

 

[Ramen]

full powered Animus

Full powered Animus>>Full powered Axiomus

 

[WoWfan]

it is by the universe's equivalence, since DS can affect it, than by that universe's laws it is a dragon by their standards, even stated to be a dragon, there was no DS Magic affecting it, just a giant dragon came crashing into it, there was nothing magic about it. Yet no one has since it was never mentioned that it could be done. There was no physical weapon, Rogue created that dagger from his shadows. healing was not involved, there was no mention of it, so that is just headcannon. POF just makes magic stronger and push your limits, just like how adrenaline works. Animus became stronger than normal which is Etherion x24.
No, that is what you are saying, Dragon Slayer Magic simply bypasses their resistance to magic which, it is simple hax magic, if it did more damage then that means they have more power behind it, which it does not. because not all dragons are on the same level

 

[Axiomus]

Full powered Animus>>Full powered Axiomus

You have that backwards

 

[Ramen]

You have that backwards

 

[Axiomus]

it is by the universe's equivalence, since DS can affect it, than by that universe's laws it is a dragon by their standards, there was no DS Magic affecting it, just a giant dragon came crashing into it, there was nothing magic about it. Yet no one has since it was never mentioned that it could be done. There was no physical weapon, Rogue created that dagger from his shadows. healing was not involved, there was no mention of it, so that is just headcannon. POF just makes magic stronger and push your limits, just like how adrenaline works. Animus became stronger than normal which is Etherion x24 that is Small Planet level energy right there.
No, that is what you are saying, Dragon Slayer Magic simply bypasses their resistance to magic which, it is simple hax magic, if it did more damage then that means they have more power behind it, which it does not. because not all dragons are on the same level

What universes equivalence? They were literally in different universes.

Dorma Anim isn't a dragon by any standard. It's a machine that doesn't even use the power of a dragon. It attacks with rockets and missiles.

Eclipse Gate was made out of a magic resistant material btw.

Rogue threw a sword coated with his shadow dragon slaying magic.

Healing was obviously involved because Natsu wasn't bleeding out from a gaping wound on his abdomen. Animus didn't become stronger than normal when he ate dragon cry. He specifically stated that it restore to him to his full power. It was only later when Natsu dragonized that Animus absorbed more power from Dragon Cry.

Animus was small planet level? Aiiiight I'm out.

 

[WoWfan]

That is the point of universal equivalence as they operate the same way as in Different universes. Dorms Anim is stated to be a dragon and is hindered by dragon slayers the same way. Eclipse Gate is not the same as it is not a dragon and uses Celestial Spirit Magic. No, that dagger was created by his shadow magic which then faded away after hitting its target. Natsu was simply that strong, healing magic is exclusive to sky magic. yes he did as Dragon Cry has more power than any other dragon, even Dragoniced Natsu was overkill since he was not down from a Weakened Animus, yes, multiplying from Etherion which can destroy a country which measures out to be moon level.

 

[Axiomus]

Dorma Anim isn't a dragon. It's a machine. Animus was only restored to his full power before he was weakened when he ate dragon cry. Saying that Animus is planet level is hilarious. That would make pretty much everyone stronger than him like Planet Level....
Honestly, the question of whether or not regular footsoldiers can take down a dragon should have been settled with this.

Erza had a spear when she was fighting. Despite the fact that she was injured and tired, she's still much stronger than an average foot-soldier. If you don't think Erza could take down a dragon, there's no way the Crocus army was going to.

The soldiers fighting 400 years ago were dragon slayers. Dragon slayers that were strong enough to slay dragons, which meant they would have been stronger than GMG Laxus. The most likely reason why their spears were able to pierce a dragon is because they were enchanted with dragon slaying magic, or even because they coated the spear with dragon slaying magic. If you don't believe this to be the case, then the only other option is that the soldiers had enough brute strength to pierce the armour of a dragon. This level of strength exceeds that required to break Irene's deus sema meteor. Again the soldiers would have all been dragon slayers, and their physical strength would be coming from their dragon slaying magic.

 

[Ramen]

Animus was small planet level? Aiiiight I'm out.

Stop low-balling you loser. He's obviously small moon level.

 

[Ramen]

FH Zeref is universal level because he controls the power of space and time itself. SbT Acnologia scales so by default he's universal level too........

 

[Axiomus]

Stop low-balling you loser. He's obviously small moon level.

Bruh....

FH Zeref is universal level because he controls the power of space and time itself. SbT Acnologia scales so by default he's universal level too........

I know you're joking, but it still hurts my soul to see universal level and Fairy Tail in the same sentence

 

[Ramen]

Bruh....

It's true. You just don't know how to scale. Animus had a power energy output of 9.8^10 which comes out to a small moon level. If we compare to Natsu's FDK fist which has double the power which makes it Jupiter level.

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Bruh....



I know you're joking, but it still hurts my soul to see universal level and Fairy Tail in the same sentence

You know it's facts.

 

[WoWfan]

It’s common to be intimidated by a being that has not been seen for over 400 years, back then it was common, so give them a break. And yet Dragons could not kill even weakened people. They are just overhyped beasts. Again, no proof that those soldiers were dragon slayers as they do not match the description, and no evidence that they had enchanted DS weapons, all we know is that they were strengthen, that is the option right there, since you said that brute force is the only way, then that is the case, besides that for Erza that would be for Irene since she is well above average dragons

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It is by how Dragon Slayer magic works on Dorma Anim like any other dragon, they even described how that is a dragon and the only thing that can beat it is dragon slayers, That only scales to Dragonized Natsu for Animus with Dragon Cry.

 

[WoWfan]

As long as we can all agree that FH Zeref with Neo Eclipse is Universe level.

 

[Ramen]

As long as we can all agree that FH Zeref with Neo Eclipse is Universe level.

He is. He is on par with Zeno and Yhwach.

 

[Axiomus]

@WoWfan You seriously trying to tell me that the Crocus soldiers could have taken on a dragon? The spawns of Motherglare killed like half the guild. Only reason characters like Gray is still alive is because Ultear gave up years of her life to rewind time. Unless you think Motherglare's roar is weaker than her own spawns, her roar would have murdered anyone it hits.

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We literally spent an entire setting up the creation of dragon slaying magic and how they changed the war against the dragons. The soldiers fighting that war were the dragon slayers. The fact that blacked out "flashbacks" of the dragon slayers going crazy didn't have them in armor and gear is completely irrelevant. For all we know, those guys were just chilling at home and not in the middle of any battle. And in fact, every single one of the dragon slayers in these panels would have simply been unfit for military service.

Dorma Anim doesn't work like a dragon either. It's a machine, and it doesn't use dragon slayer magic or have the power of a dragon. The dragon slayers all did less damage to an actual dragons than they did against Dorma Anim. Gajeel skewered Dorma Anim's foot with his club, and Natsu smashed it's torso with sword horn. Even Natsu powered by Atlas Flame couldn't do this type of damage to Motherglare.