Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Kushikime]

This question is specifically for those of you that reside in the US currently.

Will you be spending your $1200/$2400 on something WSJ related, or no? Assuming you qualify, that is.

I think I might buy the Dr. Stone volumes to add to my collection but I’m not going to waste the money because I need it lol

 

[TyVip]

This question is specifically for those of you that reside in the US currently.

Will you be spending your $1200/$2400 on something WSJ related, or no? Assuming you qualify, that is.

not all of them but some
i need to start buying
act age and spy x family

catching up on
yuuna inn

maybe a couple more, if that Bleach eonebook becomes a reality (like the rumor) then i may get that too

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

The final volume of Assassination Classroom only has 3 numbered chapters with the extra chapters and some one-shots filling the rest. Why do we keep assuming the final volume has to end at a certain point?

It's just 1 one shot (published before), and the 4 extra chapters were all published in WSJ and complete the story, so in the end the volume is filled with 7 chapters, since Gotouge already published a entire book about one shots, there's really no thing to fill the space that a volume is supposed to be so he/she would have to publish something (unless the Tomioka Gaiden really fills the gap if wasn't included in something else)

 

[wothab]

Honest question, why do many people find MHA 'exhausting' and are 'done' with it? Especially since the past 20 chapters or so are really well done.

Without going into plot-related stuff.
A few good arcs here and there don't make me interested in a manga, I would rather have some consistency, and I find MHA to be a rollercoaster most of the time

 

[Reading Somethin']

Honest question, why do many people find MHA 'exhausting' and are 'done' with it? Especially since the past 20 chapters or so are really well done.

There are several hype moments, but they're surrounded by what feels like obvious story stretching. One piece fills space up with islands and naruto adds more villains. The difference for me is that naruto and one piece integrate those arcs into the story. The islands are part of the lore, villains are related to each other.
In mha, you could completely kick out the overhaul arc, and nothing would change. I liked stain, but he is pretty much irrelevant at this point.
After all might vs afo, the only arcs that move the plot forward are pro hero arc, mva, and the current arc. It stretches by bringing the plot to a complete stop. I don't feel any sense of forward momentum.
I also fon't feel anything for the characters, the heroes are always prepared and the villains aren't threatening, depictions of abuse and character situations so far have been overly comical, they don't have a human edge to them, character development isn't believable, and I don't find it entertaining either. Only character, that I think has been made justice is endeavor.

My gripes with the series are pretty much
1. Little to no actual plot movement
2. No stakes
3. Awkward character development

 

[yadayada]

Shoseki 3/23-3/29

漫画・マンガ・コミック 売上ランキングBEST500 2020年3/23-3/29 漫画ランキング コミック売上BEST500【鬼滅の刃8】

漫画・コミックの売上ランキングを日々更新！　詳細はISBNコード（13ケタの数字）でご確認願います。文庫はhttp://shoseki500.blog.shinobi.jp/に移転しました

shosekiranking.blog.fc2.com

#33 The Promised Neverland 18
#36 My Hero Academia 26
#50 Haikyuu!! 42
#91 Jujutsu Kaisen 10
#120 Chainsaw man 6
#177 Jigokuraku 9
#269 Dr. Stone Reboot
#378 MHA team-up mission

Kimetsu no Yaiba backlog

1 9784088812120 鬼滅の刃　８ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.10.4
2 9784088811932 鬼滅の刃　７ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.8.4
3 9784088812830 鬼滅の刃　９ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.12.4
4 9784088813554 鬼滅の刃　１０ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.3.2
5 9784088813998 鬼滅の刃　１１ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.6.4
6 9784088815404 鬼滅の刃　１２ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.8.3
7 9784088810768 鬼滅の刃　６ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.5.2
9 9784088816265 鬼滅の刃　１３ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2018.11.2
11 9784088816951 鬼滅の刃　１４ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.1.4
12 9784088817996 鬼滅の刃　１５ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.4.4
13 9784088820804 鬼滅の刃　１７ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.10.4
14 9784088818672 鬼滅の刃　１６ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.7.4
15 9784088822044 鬼滅の刃　１９ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2020.2.4
16 9784088821412 鬼滅の刃　１８ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.12.4
18 9784088807959 鬼滅の刃　３ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.10.4
19 9784088807232 鬼滅の刃　１ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.6.3
20 9784088810263 鬼滅の刃　５ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2017.3.3
21 9784088808260 鬼滅の刃　４ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.12.2
22 9784088807553 鬼滅の刃　２ 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2016.8.4
66 9784088820439 鬼滅の刃　公式ファンブック　鬼殺見聞録 集英社 吾峠呼世晴 2019.7.4

Dr. Stone backlog

90 9784088811840 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2017.7.4
104 9784088812595 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　２ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2017.9.4
118 9784088812885 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　３ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2017.12.4
159 9784088813813 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　５ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.4.4
161 9784088816678 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　８ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.12.4
166 9784088816104 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　７ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.9.4
172 9784088817262 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　９ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.2.4
173 9784088822068 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１４ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2020.2.4
176 9784088815589 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　６ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2018.7.4
180 9784088818016 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１０ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.4.4
184 9784088821061 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１３ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.11.1
186 9784088820552 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１２ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.9.4
192 9784088818818 Ｄｒ．ＳＴＯＮＥ　１１ 集英社 Ｂｏｉｃｈｉ 2019.7.4

TPN backlog

102 9784088821702 約束のネバーランド　１７ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2020.1.4
181 9784088820774 約束のネバーランド　１６ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.10.4
194 9784088820170 約束のネバーランド　１５ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.8.2
195 9784088812052 約束のネバーランド　５ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.9.4
198 9784088808727 約束のネバーランド　１ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2016.12.2
201 9784088812786 約束のネバーランド　６ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.11.2
209 9784088818610 約束のネバーランド　１４ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.6.4
213 9784088813233 約束のネバーランド　７ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.1.4
217 9784088816227 約束のネバーランド　１１ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.11.2
218 9784088810065 約束のネバーランド　２ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.2.3
220 9784088813844 約束のネバーランド　８ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.4.4
222 9784088814957 約束のネバーランド　９ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.6.4
223 9784088816920 約束のネバーランド　１２ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.1.4
225 9784088815343 約束のネバーランド　１０ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2018.8.3
228 9784088810775 約束のネバーランド　３ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.4.4
231 9784088817545 約束のネバーランド　１３ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2019.3.4
235 9784088811833 約束のネバーランド　４ 集英社 出水ぽすか 2017.7.4

MHA backlog

227 9784088820743 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２５ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.12.4
315 9784088818801 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２４ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.8.2
345 9784088817972 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２３ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.5.2
375 9784088817231 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２２ 集英社 堀越耕平 2019.2.4
381 9784088816241 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２１ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.12.4
417 9784088802640 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１ 集英社 堀越耕平 2014.11.4
435 9784088802978 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.1.5
436 9784088815664 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２０ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.9.4
459 9784088803357 僕のヒーローアカデミア　３ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.4.3
480 9784088804200 僕のヒーローアカデミア　４ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.6.4
490 9784088804491 僕のヒーローアカデミア　５ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.8.4
496 9784088806075 僕のヒーローアカデミア　７ 集英社 堀越耕平 2016.2.4
499 9784088815121 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１９ 集英社 堀越耕平 2018.7.4
500 9784088804880 僕のヒーローアカデミア　６ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015.11.4

Haikyuu!! backlog

205 9784088821771 ハイキュー！！　４１ 集英社 古舘春一 2020.1.4
291 9784088821047 ハイキュー！！　４０ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.11.1
332 9784088820538 ハイキュー！！　３９ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.9.4
376 9784088818634 ハイキュー！！　３８ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.6.4
388 9784088817934 ハイキュー！！　３７ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.4.4
411 9784088817170 ハイキュー！！　３６ 集英社 古舘春一 2019.2.4
448 9784088816470 ハイキュー！！　３５ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.12.4
451 9784088815114 ハイキュー！！　３２ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.7.4
452 9784088815893 ハイキュー！！　３４ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.10.4
458 9784088815381 ハイキュー！！　３３ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.8.3
478 9784088813783 ハイキュー！！　３１ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.4.4
497 9784088813370 ハイキュー！！　３０ 集英社 古舘春一 2018.2.2

Jujutsu Kaisen backlog

206 9784088815169 呪術廻戦　１ 集英社 芥見下々 2018.7.4
230 9784088816081 呪術廻戦　２ 集英社 芥見下々 2018.9.4
251 9784088821689 呪術廻戦　８ 集英社 芥見下々 2020.1.4
252 9784088822181 呪術廻戦　９ 集英社 芥見下々 2020.1.4
260 9784088816661 呪術廻戦　３ 集英社 芥見下々 2018.12.4
284 9784088817569 呪術廻戦　４ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.3.4
285 9784088818283 呪術廻戦　５ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.5.2
295 9784088820767 呪術廻戦　７ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.10.4
299 9784088818764 呪術廻戦　６ 集英社 芥見下々 2019.7.4
324 9784088816722 呪術廻戦　０巻　東京都立呪術高等専門学校 集英社 芥見下々 2018.12.4

Chainsaw man backlog

272 9784088821719 チェンソーマン　５ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2020.1.4
273 9784088817804 チェンソーマン　１ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.3.4
290 9784088818313 チェンソーマン　２ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.5.2
300 9784088820163 チェンソーマン　３ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.8.2
302 9784088820750 チェンソーマン　４ 集英社 藤本タツキ 2019.10.4

SxF

56 9784088821832 ＳＰＹ×ＦＡＭＩＬＹ　３ 集英社 遠藤達哉 2020.1.4
57 9784088820118 ＳＰＹ×ＦＡＭＩＬＹ　１ 集英社 遠藤達哉 2019.7.4
59 9784088821207 ＳＰＹ×ＦＡＭＩＬＹ　２ 集英社 遠藤達哉 2019.10.4

 

[Blink22]

Personally, I find the academy students have never been fleshed out well in MHA as Horikoshi always narrows focus on the same small selection of students and disregards everyone else for long periods of time that you eventually just lose interest in the rest of the school. Which also leads to losing interest in the series itself if the same core characters remain stale and boring. Doesn’t help with there being too many new characters that keep expanding the cast and it still only focuses on the same group of characters.

That’s why I find series like Iruma-kun to handle school settings while retaining the “battle shonen” aspect much better since it always shares focus between the entire classroom and teachers. There’s a greater sense where the entire cast matters instead of just focusing on the MC and select few while disregarding the rest of the characters. It keeps the series fresh and keeps me anticipating for when future events happen to affect not only the MC, but the entire cast.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Personally, I find the academy students have never been fleshed out well in MHA as Horikoshi always narrows focus on the same small selection of students and disregards everyone else for long periods of time that you eventually just lose interest in the rest of the school. Which also leads to losing interest in the series itself if the same core characters remain stale and boring. Doesn’t help with there being too many new characters that keep expanding the cast and it still only focuses on the same group of characters.

That’s why I find series like Iruma-kun to handle school settings while retaining the “battle shonen” aspect much better since it always shares focus between the entire classroom and teachers. There’s a greater sense where the entire cast matters instead of just focusing on the MC and select few while disregarding the rest of the characters. It keeps the series fresh and keeps me anticipating for when future events happen to affect not only the MC, but the entire cast.

While I was going to stay out of the MHA discussion due to not really having much interest in what other people think of the series at this point, I will say that the Iruma comparison is a very flawed point to make.

Iruma is an SOL manga first and formost, and its storytelling is built around that. The semi-episodic format of the narrative means that Nishi is able to build of whatever he feels like without making it feel like the readers time is being wasted, characters are able to interact with whatever scenario is presented off of the authors whim.

MHA meanwhile is a battle manga that uses its school-life as breathers from the much more intense and violent main story, and arcs have weighted consequence as a result. That kind of story has different priorities, and Horikoshi is clearly more interested in intersecting his characters with the themes and narrative than following them on random adventures.

Both approaches are entirely valid and one is allowed to agree and disagree with either of them, but I feel it's very flawed to argue for a comparison when the two works are doing very different things.

 

[Newkerzy]

All good points here about MHA's criticisms. As for me, I still adore the series very much and read it weekly. For all of its flaws that I see, at least it hasn't fallen so far off the deep end......yet. That, at least, is why I'm still sticking to it.

It's true that the academia parts are pretty tedious to get through, but as far as handling its ensemble cast, I think it does a better job of handling that than the Big 3 did back in their heyday. It's not perfect, but I think it's satisfactory, imo.

I'm of two minds about plot progression in MHA. It's true that past series were better at moving the plot along, such as Naruto. But that came at the expense of the rest of the cast. Meanwhile, MHA still remain at maintaining its ensemble-focused appeal. This of course, has its drawbacks, which stalls the plot at certain points, and as such some arcs feels inconsequential as a whole. So....you can't really have your cake and eat it too.

The current manga arc has a high possibility of bringing back a beloved character in the fanbase, which connects this one to a previous arc, if you could call it that.

 

[Rain Spectre]

One Piece Magazine Vol 9 will feature interviews from Horikoshi and Demizu.

 

[Newkerzy]

Horikoshi and Demizu? Now that's an interview I never expected but needed.

 

[Koni]

While I was going to stay out of the MHA discussion due to not really having much interest in what other people think of the series at this point, I will say that the Iruma comparison is a very flawed point to make.

Iruma is an SOL manga first and formost, and its storytelling is built around that. The semi-episodic format of the narrative means that Nishi is able to build of whatever he feels like without making it feel like the readers time is being wasted, characters are able to interact with whatever scenario is presented off of the authors whim.

MHA meanwhile is a battle manga that uses its school-life as breathers from the much more intense and violent main story, and arcs have weighted consequence as a result. That kind of story has different priorities, and Horikoshi is clearly more interested in intersecting his characters with the themes and narrative than following them on random adventures.

Both approaches are entirely valid and one is allowed to agree and disagree with either of them, but I feel it's very flawed to argue for a comparison when the two works are doing very different things.

Okay, I was also gonna sit this one out but then Iruma came into the equation and I feel obligated to respond.

Spoiler

You make a very fair point about Iruma and MHA being two manga with different priorities, and I think both ways have their respective strengths.

However, I will say this: I don’t think the Iruma-kun comparison is all that flawed. The two definitely have a fair few similarities (People don’t call Iruma “Blue Deku” for no reason). As such, I think Iruma’s better at handling its cast not only because it’s format allows for it to explore its characters more through, but simply because it’s more focused.

Put it this way - Iruma, his best friends, the entire class he’s in, the teacher of that class, the school’s student council president, his foster family, and the series’s first real antagonist make for less characters than just Class 1-A of HeroAca. I really like a lot of HeroAca’s characters, but Hori kind of shot himself in the foot in that department. Cause, as many people have stated, it can get kind of hard to care about them once you realize how many there are. And the fact that MHA is a battle shonen first doesn’t help matters, since it’s more plot focused, and as such, there’s less time to give to minor characters. Whenever Hori does manage to give characters enough screen time to develop, I think they become instant fan-favorites. But screen time is hard to come across.

Again, I should note that I love HeroAca a lot. I’m going to read it to the end, and Horikoshi himself is a sort of inspiration for me. Same with Iruma, as well. But both do have their flaws, and though it saddens me to see people fall off it, I can kind of understand why that is.

This is all I’ll say on the matter for now, since I have some work to do.

 

[Halloween]

Everyone, the current MHA discussion is better suited for the MHA section of this site.

I ask that further posts on the subject be posted there. Thank you.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

To help Buranchi:

https://mangahelpers.com/forum/thre...a-hangout-thread.2998325/page-67#post-5227426

This is a very interesting thread. Let's continue it in the url I've posted.

I think maybe some comparison with other manga can still be discussed here, but that's for the mods to decide if is apropiated or not

 

[James Rye]

Everyone, the current MHA discussion is better suited for the MHA section of this site.

I ask that further posts on the subject be posted there. Thank you.

Awww, just when I was about to post my 3899 word long essay about MHA weak and strong points~ (just kidding :P)

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Reminder that 1th April is upon us, so be waiting for tons of fake news happening.

If I see any Act-age anime announcement tomorrow I'll be crying in my corner.

 

[ScotchAianB]

MHA gets New Season

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

(just joking, but it was pretty obvious)

PS: And still no info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime

I'm starting to get worried. We continue having a lot of stuff for Fall (and even 2021) getting PVs, release date, staff, studios...

Only thing we got for JJK was a PV with just text two months ago, and we still don't have the release date or even the MAPPA studio confirmation

 

[yadayada]

So, this is one of the 4 things that were going to be announced "soon" according to spytrue, bummer that he chose to reveal the most obvious one.

(just joking, but it was pretty obvious)

PS: And still no info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime

I'm starting to get worried. We continue having a lot of stuff for Fall (and even 2021) getting PVs, release date, staff, studios...

Only thing we got for JJK was a PV with just text two months ago, and we still don't have the release date or even the MAPPA studio confirmation

I wonder if JJK's anime is going to be delayed to 2021 after all.

 

[Franz]

PS: And still no info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime

I'm starting to get worried. We continue having a lot of stuff for Fall (and even 2021) getting PVs, release date, staff, studios...

But what is this obsession?

Is it possible that it must always be repeated cyclically?


They will be there when they are, period.

Both the info on the seiyuu and the probable date of airing have come out, any info will obviously come out in the coming months.