Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Collab poster by Kishimoto
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Why does everyone hate the promised neverland
I don't think anyone hates it, they are just disappointed or unsatisfied with it. Like the start and escape arc was so good that no other following arc could measure up to it and other stuff like stakes not really feeling risky or everything going way to well, side-characters hardly having much time to shine because they get constantly overshadowed by the three geniuses, etc. I guess there are various reasons why many, but not everyone, ain't quite happy with TPN.
Plus it is ending and ending series tend to lose votes during their final arc or when their final battle is done.
 

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I don't think anyone hates it, they are just disappointed or unsatisfied with it. Like the start and escape arc was so good that no other following arc could measure up to it and other stuff like stakes not really feeling risky or everything going way to well, side-characters hardly having much time to shine because they get constantly overshadowed by the three geniuses, etc. I guess there are various reasons why many, but not everyone, ain't quite happy with TPN.
Plus it is ending and ending series tend to lose votes during their final arc or when their final battle is done.
While I do feel like it has lost some steam since the goldy pond arc I feel like it’s a bit of an over reaction to say it is a bad ending. I honestly have felt the last few chapters have been well executed.
 

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While I do feel like it has lost some steam since the goldy pond arc I feel like it’s a bit of an over reaction to say it is a bad ending. I honestly have felt the last few chapters have been well executed.
Really? I found
ratboy's death nearly comical and the sudden trying to make the mom's sympathetic absolutely ridiculous.
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I've found everything since the timeskip to have felt so rushed, uninteresting, and/or stupid.
One of the worst declines I've seen in a Jump series tbh.
To keep this post on thread-topic. What are some of the worst declines you feel Jump series have had and when?

Bakuman I remember got really insufferable around the time the duo broke up and never really recovered. (same with Death Note after L dies)
Shaman King got really bad around the Jeanne arc.
 

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While I do feel like it has lost some steam since the goldy pond arc I feel like it’s a bit of an over reaction to say it is a bad ending. I honestly have felt the last few chapters have been well executed.
I think the same, a bit rushed and a bit too preachy for my taste but all in all it wasn't bad. I think what was subpar was the build-up from the escape arc until this final arc. It felt hmmmmm "patched" like sometimes solutions came too quickly or problems resolved on their own and the change from intellectual mystery to regular action wasn't done so well either. But that doesn't belong here.

This however does:

 

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For the opposite situation, what are some series that started off really bad but you found got better later on? Black Clover stands out for me. I found early on the series to be nearly insufferable and reading as if it was a parody of bad battle shonen. Really found the series got much better as it went along though, and now is one my favorite currently running series.
 

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@Rica_Patin Shokugeki no Soma.... man man man, what a fall that was...

As for the other, World Trigger. But not as it being really bad just very slow, very very very slow. But then it picked up steam and it got much better. And its many high ranks in the voting thread show that many people came to love it and that even a two year hiatus and a change from weekly to monthly could not cool down that love from its fans.^^
 

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For the opposite situation, what are some series that started off really bad but you found got better later on? Black Clover stands out for me. I found early on the series to be nearly insufferable and reading as if it was a parody of bad battle shonen. Really found the series got much better as it went along though, and now is one my favorite currently running series.
Kuroko no Basuke for me. The first time I read it I couldn't continue past the first practice match, then a few months later I tried to brave it through and found that it becomes really good.
 

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Alright, that's a really unpopular opinion, but: Haikyuu was easily one of my favorite series in Jump, however, after the start of the nationals arc my opinion of the series declined considerably. It had great moments here and there, and the art is still great, but the games got way too dragged out for me, and there was way less of a cohesive throughline in them, just a collection of isolated moments, most of which didn't work. The other teams (with one exception) were also way less interesting. And the recent developments of the story didn't help it recover. I don't find it terrible or anything, but for a series I once liked so much I've been terribly uninvested for almost half its runtime now. There are other series I felt got worse as they went on, but none I liked so much before.

I can't really think of an example of the opposite. Maybe Chainsawman? But the period when I didn't like it very much is just like 10-15 chapters, and I still found it okay, just not great.
 

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Does it have any special reason for Mashle CP, or is it just a regular "Increase in popularity!" one. Interested in what it'll look like either way.
 

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Does it have any special reason for Mashle CP, or is it just a regular "Increase in popularity!" one. Interested in what it'll look like either way.
It's just the regular new series CP that's 'as thanks for the explosive popularity'.
 

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Series with the worst declines for me are

SnS - Everything after the autumn elections (which is the series peak) is where everything started to go downhill
MHA - Season 3, the stuff with AFO & All Might and found it to be a huge letdown from season 2. Tbf I dropped it since then and not sure if I will get back on it.

For the opposite situation, what are some series that started off really bad but you found got better later on? Black Clover stands out for me. I found early on the series to be nearly insufferable and reading as if it was a parody of bad battle shonen. Really found the series got much better as it went along though, and now is one my favorite currently running series.
I can think of series from other magazines like WSM (*cough* Blue Lock/Orient *cough*) that perfectly fit that scenario but I cant think of any from WSJ that started off really bad only to get better later on. Which is probably from the fact that WSJ is strict regarding what new series stays or gets axed. There's definitely series that started off meh tho.

If it's something meh then turned out to be good then WT would come to mind.
 

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Mashle color page is probably the earliest color page for a complete newbie author since Neverland got one at ch10
 

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Really? I found
ratboy's death nearly comical and the sudden trying to make the mom's sympathetic absolutely ridiculous.
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I've found everything since the timeskip to have felt so rushed, uninteresting, and/or stupid.
One of the worst declines I've seen in a Jump series tbh.
To keep this post on thread-topic. What are some of the worst declines you feel Jump series have had and when?

Bakuman I remember got really insufferable around the time the duo broke up and never really recovered. (same with Death Note after L dies)
Shaman King got really bad around the Jeanne arc.
For the opposite situation, what are some series that started off really bad but you found got better later on? Black Clover stands out for me. I found early on the series to be nearly insufferable and reading as if it was a parody of bad battle shonen. Really found the series got much better as it went along though, and now is one my favorite currently running series.
A bit of a strange case for me but, with Chainsawman I got quite hooked with the first chapter but wasnt completely feeling some the next ones and put it on hold. After some time, I think when the series was a year old I decided to pick it up again and binge read the whole thing (this probably was what made it more enjoyable), and actually got hooked again, specially with the Katana man arc. Definitely feel that binge reading it helped a lot.
 

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ToC placements are more important to wsj than sales, We just saw Samurai 8 get cancelled despite selling probably 5 times as much (or more) than Mitama, since nobody voted for it in the magazine. Agravity Boys might sell well enough but if it stays in dead last most weeks it won't live for too long. Same for anything else that drops (especially if their sales don't grow much in their next volumes).

That said, there are 5 long-running series that could end this year so, between that and the 8 spots filled by series less than a year old, there may actually be space for 7 new hits.
I feel like it more so has to do with a series growth, the expectations editorial has for a series, and how much they invested into a series.

Even though RxL and S8 sold much more than a lot of usual axed series, editorial likely had higher expectations for each series. They also invested a lot more promo into both series than they typically do for newcomer mangaka. Maybe the return didn’t justify what they spent in promo. And the lack of growth per volume didn’t inspire much hope.

However, I highly doubt they’d cancel a series that’s doing very well sales wise even if it wasn’t doing well in the TOC. And besides they create the TOC themselves, which isn’t entirely based on reader votes.
If all of the new series are doing well something obviously has to be on the bottom
 

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For the opposite situation, what are some series that started off really bad but you found got better later on
They not bad beginnings but kind of meh for me was world trigger,kimetsu,haikyuu, and gintama
 

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Shoseki Daily Ranking - 4/4

#1 One Piece 96
#3 Black Clover 24
#4 Dr. Stone 15
#7 We Never Learn 16
#13 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 21
#63 Mission: Yozakura Family 1
#65 Undead Unluck 1
#82 Agravity Boys 1
#301 Zipman 1
 

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So the newbie trio is doing just fine thus far
 
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