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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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I know Oricon gives estimates but missing 2 million in sales would be a HUGE oversight and would probably destroy any credibility they have. I mean maybe if they were off by a ten thousand to one hundred thousand and there about , that wouldn't be so hard to believe but 2 million....
That's why I said it wouldn't be weird if they were physical. Also, don't misunderstand: the fact that for ourselves individually 2 million could seem a huge number, we're talking about tracking and meters that we don't really know about. The whole point in this is that there's no problem in a number as long as Oricon's smaller. And again, Oricon's not 100%, we should really be aware of that by now. Hell, we don't even know what percentage error does Oricon have, or even if they talk about it, because in this case it's not about estimates but copies tracked. Of course we won't ever know exact, accurate and 100% numbers about every single series, that would be utopian. But still, having a tracker that has been used by that same exact company and has been acknowledged by mangaka themselves should tell enough.
 

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Do you mean celebrating a feat that OP has achieved with additional insider info since they are publisher of that series, and have the accurate data.
Sorry, but no. This counterpoint was brought up months ago, and was thoroughly debunked even back then.

KnY won last year.
 

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Shuiesha/Jump knows how many copies to print/reprint. They have metrics/data to increase/decrease copies sales

Like Yuuna was steadily 250,000 print every volume until the most recent one, where it has 70,000 copies in print.
Good Ole Food Wars
Volume 1 of Spy has initial print of 50,000(!), on J+ platform. 50,000 is more than what they give you mainline Jump newbie
World End Harem volume 1 has a fat initial print too, on J+ platform
Dr Stone recent weeks increase in sales = more reprint scheduled
 

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Hello MG users. :luv I have been following your forum for some time but never asked me to join that forum, until today a new user decided to do so (Lugia__). And not because I know him. If not, it seemed to me that his comments about "the theft" that Oricon does to the One Piece manga seemed, at least, insane.
Sorry for my toughness, but I can't be more assertive than this.

I have been reading and listening to that kind of comment since last year, when a small Demon Slayer broke a barrier that no one has ever achieved before. One Piece is entertaining, it is history of the manga and anime world, but it was "defeated" physically and morally by Demon Slayer.
And that, dear friends, is what it costs to accept a large part of One Piece fans. Nothing in this life is untouchable, and a manga would be no less.

One Piece will be able to print 3.3 million copies, but that doesn't make it profitable at all. In fact, there is no justification for them to continue to launch so many millions if they do not sell them in full.
The reason why they do it, and that is already a personal opinion, is due to pure insistence that One Piece will sell the same thing again. There may even be an ego in all of that. Because recently they themselves published the impressions they made of each manga. I think it is a form of affirmation at a difficult time for them. It may continue to sell a lot, but it is waging a war because it finally came up with an adversary to match.
But only a delusion believes that the fact that they lost in the year 2019 and will lose not only in the best-selling manga position in a year, but that they give the position to the most popular tome to Demon Slayer, does not affect them.

Probably they thought that only volume # 95 would not have lived up to expectations, but the truth is that volume # 96 is still being worse, when in two weeks it has barely 1.4 million. Of course, for any manga that is outrageous, but for OP, no. And we will see if with two volumes in a row that do not reach two million, they will continue to print the same as before.

I end by saying two things: the first is that I'm glad it is so, because that position of divinity that Oda and One Piece had made them rejoin because they did what they did with their history would still be number one. And it's okay for them to be forced to earn that position so they don't take anything for granted.
And in second. The world of manga / anime has changed. Fresh air has entered with new mangakas, new talents, new more modern stories, and they simply have to adapt to the changes. And they will be great.

Excuse my English, it is not my mother language.
 
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I think all this discussion about One Piece Vs. Kimetsu no Yaiba is a bit boring lol

Yes, Kimetsu no Yaiba won last year japanese sales, and of course will win this year. And this year will break One Piece 2011 record (probably Kimetsu no Yaiba will surpass 55 million copies, or even 60 million this year). Yes, Kimetsu no Yaiba is a HUGE success and I think it's good for japanese market that a new phenomenon had appeared, especially for all new readers that had arrived with its new success.

But I think Kimetsu no Yaiba is still far away from the importance or the legacy of One Piece in the Manga/Anime world. And when I say One Piece, I can say other series like Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Kochikame, Hokuto no Ken, Kenshin, Dr. Slump, Detective Conan, Mazinger, Evangelion, Gundam, Lupin, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Berserk, Ranma, Death Note...

Will Kimetsu no Yaiba be part of this list in the future? Yes, I think so but only time will tell.
 

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I think all this discussion about One Piece Vs. Kimetsu no Yaiba is a bit boring lol

Yes, Kimetsu no Yaiba won last year japanese sales, and of course will win this year. And this year will break One Piece 2011 record (probably Kimetsu no Yaiba will surpass 55 million copies, or even 60 million this year). Yes, Kimetsu no Yaiba is a HUGE success and I think it's good for japanese market that a new phenomenon had appeared, especially for all new readers that had arrived with its new success.

But I think Kimetsu no Yaiba is still far away from the importance or the legacy of One Piece in the Manga/Anime world. And when I say One Piece, I can say other series like Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Kochikame, Hokuto no Ken, Kenshin, Dr. Slump, Detective Conan, Mazinger, Evangelion, Gundam, Lupin, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Berserk, Ranma, Death Note...

Will Kimetsu no Yaiba be part of this list in the future? Yes, I think so but only time will tell.
The point was never about OP's legacy, which is obviously undeniable. It's about people discrediting official data and making up theories about print numbers.
 

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I think all this discussion about One Piece Vs. Kimetsu no Yaiba is a bit boring lol

Yes, Kimetsu no Yaiba won last year japanese sales, and of course will win this year. And this year will break One Piece 2011 record (probably Kimetsu no Yaiba will surpass 55 million copies, or even 60 million this year). Yes, Kimetsu no Yaiba is a HUGE success and I think it's good for japanese market that a new phenomenon had appeared, especially for all new readers that had arrived with its new success.

But I think Kimetsu no Yaiba is still far away from the importance or the legacy of One Piece in the Manga/Anime world. And when I say One Piece, I can say other series like Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Kochikame, Hokuto no Ken, Kenshin, Dr. Slump, Detective Conan, Mazinger, Evangelion, Gundam, Lupin, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Berserk, Ranma, Death Note...

Will Kimetsu no Yaiba be part of this list in the future? Yes, I think so but only time will tell.
OP's legacy and importance was never once questioned, literally no one here thinks KnY has been a more important series than OP, atleast I hope so. That was never the point of this discussion.
 

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Is difficult to compare One Piece and Kimetsu in term of legacy.
One Piece always was big in Japan, and was known in european countries like spain(less than other series like DB, but it was known), but it wasn't until 2010/The musou games that it didn't cemented their legacy globally.The same happen with Jojo(but jojo was known because the memes and the capcom games in games clique).
Kimetsu after 4-5 years is big and have a following in many countries because the "globalization of manga industry", same with MHA.
 

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OP's legacy and importance was never once questioned, literally no one here thinks KnY has been a more important series than OP, atleast I hope so. That was never the point of this discussion.
I think many One Piece fans equate it's legacy with it's sales, because for as long as they've been following it, it's been the #1 undisputed king in the sales department.
 

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I think many One Piece fans equate it's legacy with it's sales, because for as long as they've been following it, it's been the #1 undisputed king in the sales department.
I don't think many one piece fans equate legacy with sales since most one piece fans (and fans of manga in general) don't care, or know anything specific about sales at all.
 

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redon you can truly affirm after the historical sales, the nominations, the awards, that his anime is already considered one of the best of the decade, Demon Slayer has not created a solid legacy that will last over time despite the fact that the manga can end this year?

I am not talking about whether one is better than the other, because that does not matter to me, and besides it is something clearly subjective. But what is certain is that in just 4 years Demon Slayer touched with the tip of his fingers that sky that One Piece played only in 2011. 11 years after its premiere. One Piece is good and I like it, but what is certain is that Demon Slayer probably ends this year with 45-50 million (only 2020) and I think that it will be a difficult legacy to overcome. And let's not talk about whether Ufotable gives him to animate the rest of the manga, the impact that can cause both in the anime world and help his manga even more.
 

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I don't think many one piece fans equate legacy with sales since most one piece fans (and fans of manga in general) don't care, or know anything specific about sales at all.
I don't believe this. One Piece being the highest selling manga is common knowledge.
 

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huh, I wanted to respond, but then I remembered it is April 2020, so I'll probably just wait a week or 2, since we might get helpful stuff right from the publishers soon. (yes 'publishers' as in plural, as in not just shueisha, though in this case that is the only one that matters)

on a semi related note,

today (it is already Wednesday in Japan) might be D-day and less than half a day to making history, maybe
 

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Think the main issue here is people suddenly not believing in Oricon because their favorite series OP was beaten. Therefore a lot of theories have risen to defend One Piece's supposed defeat to KNY last year with a lot of OP readers just eating up those theories as facts.
This is also partly because of these youtubers and twitter personalities going around spreading these false information to their 100s and 1000s of followers giving more weight to this. It's again why I keep stating I hate twitter and youtuber personalities.

Like @Buranchi said, a physical number that people can see is often the criteria for success and legacy. So seeing something beat OP when it survived AOT has led to many fans to attempt to desperately defend OP's status as the number 1 series.
Again, a lot of people also think sales = quality of the series which is why you see a lot of people try to downplay KNY's success as an "NPC" overhyped average series.

In reality, it'll be another solid 50 years before we can truly take a step back and see which series in history has left behind the biggest legacy. I doubt this topic of conversation would ever involve KNY but again, its not something we can talk about right now.
 

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I don't believe this. One Piece being the highest selling manga is common knowledge.
no that fact is true, but a lots of them (mainly on the subreddit) don't know the decrease each year after 2014 (it still churn out 10 mil every year it has 4 volumes)
Then you get the radical fans that attack everyone, and the one that only care if it is going to beat Batman sales of 483 mil
 
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