Chapter Tower of God Chapter 482 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Or Zahad could just be stronger

Gustang said that WT can match ONE family

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

In influence though.

Garam thinks Urek can kill Zahard.

All that matters is 1 vs 1

 

[cash2088]

Yama and White taking orders from Baam at this pt

How can they justify him not being a slayer?

They can’t but as the position likely was destined only for Baam does it matter? They can call him Chum Bucket and his value is still the same.... Integral!!

 

[EternalWinter]

They can’t but as the position likely was destined only for Baam does it matter? They can call him Chum Bucket and his value is still the same.... Integral!!

PR value, the hero of the nest became a slayer as a regular

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Hasn't Baam exceeded mere titles like Slayer and regular?

 

[EternalWinter]

Hasn't Baam exceeded mere titles like Slayer and regular?

Nah, I don't think he's surpassed the slayers yet

 

[cash2088]

Nah, I don't think he's surpassed the slayers yet

In importance yes he has, unequivocally.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

IMO he's leapfrogged that title or role.

He's something more important for FUG - already. Obviously, he was always destined to be, but it seems that moment has come.

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Though tbf, they'll HAVE TO call him a slayer sooner or later.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

is there a reason why people want to believe urek is stronger than zahard? ive been looking through the comic and blogs to see if theres any hint of such a thing. ive seen none. the closest is garam wanting him to fight zahard, and thats only because he is an irregular, not because he is factually stronger.

The arguments for Urek are not convincing either. if someone like enryu and phanta can push zahard down because of power alone, Urek would have done so if he was also stronger, especially since Urek actually has influence on the tower, unlike the top 2 one-time wonder boys.

Zahard > Urek until proven otherwise. Needs to come from SUI's mouth himself.

 

[cash2088]

Meschenny just compared him to Edahn.... She sees how important Baam is...

To say he isn’t that important yet,would indicate he could die now and FUG would continue on fine... Nah

they go back to the shadows ONLY if Baam dies or is incapacitated. That shows his requisite value.. not something he needs to “grow” into... If he’s alive he assumes the top spot by default.

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Any OTHER person in FUG is expendable, including to some degree Luslec. Especially if compared to Baam.

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is there a reason why people want to believe urek is stronger than zahard? ive been looking through the comic and blogs to see if theres any hint of such a thing. ive seen none. the closest is garam wanting him to fight zahard, and thats only because he is an irregular, not because he is factually stronger.

The arguments for Urek are not convincing either. if someone like enryu and phanta can push zahard down because of power alone, Urek would have done so if he was also stronger, especially since Urek actually has influence on the tower, unlike the top 2 one-time wonder boys.

Zahard > Urek until proven otherwise. Needs to come from SUI's mouth himself.

His ranking is one below Zahard’s with about 100% less of an empire. Which if Madarako is an example “influence” counts for a lot in the tower.

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Having an empire that worships you is absolute influence, is it not?

 

[EternalWinter]

Meschenny just compared him to Edahn.... She sees how important Baam is...

To say he isn’t that important yet,would indicate he could die now and FUG would continue on fine... Nah

they go back to the shadows ONLY if Baam dies or is incapacitated. That shows his requisite value.. not something he needs to “grow” into... If he’s alive he assumes the top spot by default.

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Any OTHER person in FUG is expendable, including to some degree Luslec. Especially if compared to Baam.

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His ranking is one below Zahard’s with about 100% less of an empire. Which if Madarako is an example “influence” counts for a lot in the tower.

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Having an empire that worships you is absolute influence, is it not?

*Zahad, she compared him to Zahad

 

[cash2088]

*Zahad, she compared him to Zahad

Cool even better, thanks for the correction...

Does it change the point?

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Or we just doing those nerdy correction banter things?

 

[EternalWinter]

Cool even better, thanks for the correction...

Does it change the point?

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Or we just doing those nerdy correction banter things?

just em point lol

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In importance yes he has, unequivocally.

IMO he's leapfrogged that title or role.

He's something more important for FUG - already. Obviously, he was always destined to be, but it seems that moment has come.

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Though tbf, they'll HAVE TO call him a slayer sooner or later.

Oh no debate here. If Baam falls the war is over. But if any of the slayers fall or are wounded, the war will be over too. They're powerwise still his superiors


It's back to chess, you don't lose if you lose the queen (white), but you most likely lose

Baam and Hwa are aware of this, that's why he told Yama to stay out of the nest defense and that he'd take care of it. Yama is vital for the next wall

 

[cash2088]

just em point lol

Lol cool!!

Either way I would say it reinforces his value to FUG... I had assumed “my father“ referenced Edahn as Meschenny is crazy but is at least loyal....

We like to say she fought Zahard on the Data Floor because she’s a lusty battle addict, but she was indeed showing loyalty to Edahn over Zahard... Which is why she can call others like Lyboric and Adori “Fanatics”

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

is there a reason why people want to believe urek is stronger than zahard? ive been looking through the comic and blogs to see if theres any hint of such a thing. ive seen none. the closest is garam wanting him to fight zahard, and thats only because he is an irregular, not because he is factually stronger.

Thinking he could be ≠ wanting it to be the case.

1. His actions and strength on data floor, 2. how fast he climbed the tower relative to the 13GF, 3. that he's clearly stronger than Arie putting him in the realm of Zahard, and 4. Garam not being a fool are all *possible* hints.

I feel like you kind of gloss over Garam's wishes. She thinks he has a chance or she'd know better than ask.

No one that I'm aware of is claiming certainty.

The arguments for Urek are not convincing either. if someone like enryu and phanta can push zahard down because of power alone, Urek would have done so if he was also stronger, especially since Urek actually has influence on the tower, unlike the top 2 one-time wonder boys.

Unless he hasn't bothered trying, which seems to be the case. He hasn't shown overwhelming power like the other two, so he'd have to best Zahard in combat it seems. That seemingly hasn't happened.

Zahard > Urek until proven otherwise. Needs to come from SUI's mouth himself.

Where does "influence" come into play, or does it?

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Where does "influence" come into play, or does it?

both influence and power come into play. it doesnt matter really. as far as the story is telling us, Zahard is the top active dog as of now.

And obviously freaking Urek is comparable to zahard. no one is acting like zahard can finger flick him into oblivion, he is just overall weaker to our knowledge.

 

[cash2088]

influence and power come into play. it doesnt matter really. as far as the story is telling us, Zahard is the top active dog as of now.

And obviously freaking Urek is comparable to zahard. no one is acting like zahard can finger flick him into oblivion, he is just overall weaker to our knowledge.

Not true at all.., That’s what you’re choosing to interpret. Ignoring what common sense would dictate... Urek CAN stand to Zahard... Nobody is saying with confidence he could defeat him.

And overall includes influence to some degree.

Data Urek was strong, yet mad he was incomplete. It implied his power was so perfect the Data couldn’t replicate it... Yet, we have Zahard’s Data there perfectly replicated...

oh and lastly Urek climbed FASTER than Zahard and Zahard had 12 other irregulars lol

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We have brains in order to infer information from evidence presented. We needn’t be told like a dog EVERY minute detail by the authors mouth.

If the author set up the comparison of Urek and Zahard it was for a reason! And not because it just occurred. It was a conscious thought by the author to include that Urek could stand to Zahard. Posed by the characters within the Manwha but all the same. A belief Urek is THAT strong...

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Not true at all.., That’s what you’re choosing to interpret. Ignoring what common sense would dictate... Urek CAN stand to Zahard... Nobody is saying with confidence he could defeat him.

And overall includes influence to some degree.

Data Urek was strong, yet mad he was incomplete. It implied his power was so perfect the Data couldn’t replicate it... Yet, we have Zahard’s Data there perfectly replicated...

oh and lastly Urek climbed FASTER than Zahard and Zahard had 12 other irregulars lol

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We have brains in order to infer information from evidence presented. We needn’t be told like a dog EVERY minute detail by the authors mouth.

If the author set up the comparison of Urek and Zahard it was for a reason! And not because it just occurred. It was a conscious thought by the author to include that Urek could stand to Zahard. Posed by the characters within the Manwha but all the same. A belief Urek is THAT strong...

Yeah I mean it's not like we don't have reason to think we've been getting hints.

The theory, and it's just speculative of course, doesn't just come out of nowhere.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Not true at all.., That’s what you’re choosing to interpret. Ignoring what common sense would dictate... Urek CAN stand to Zahard... Nobodybis saying with confidence he could defeat him.

And overall includes influence to some degree.

Data Urek was strong, yet mad he was incomplete. It implied his power was so perfect the Data couldn’t replicate it... Yet, we have Zahard’s Data there perfectly replicated...

oh and lastly Urek climbed FASTER than Zahard and Zahard had 12 other irregulars lol

The bold is obviously cause unlike now, which the tower is set up to actually help people climb faster, it was far difficult to climb.

im not ignoring what common sense would dictate, if you actually read what i wrote, you would have noticed i said he is comparable to zahard. He jus isnt proven stronger. he isnt until stated otherwise.

 

[cash2088]

The bold is obviously cause unlike now, which the tower is set up to actually help people climb faster, it was far difficult to climb.

im not ignoring what common sense would dictate, if you actually read what i wrote, you would have noticed i said he is comparable to zahard. He jus isnt proven stronger. he isnt until stated otherwise.

Which nobody is arguing. So who is reading what exactly?

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You want a DBZ level power correlation.... From what we infer Urek is strong enough to not worry about Zahard killing him.,.. Nobody is saying Urek is greater than Zahard, we just aren’t going to say he’s weaker either...