Chapter Tower of God Chapter 485 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jubei_Kibagami]

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And I’m always down!!! Whats a good point of contention? hahaha

Androssi is a lesbian, prove me wrong! SIU hasn't said she's not, and that's good enough for me!

 

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Androssi is a lesbian, prove me wrong! SIU hasn't said she's not, and that's good enough for me!

Has he confirmed Baam to be a boy? With all requisite machinery?

or maybe a eunuch zombie?

btw the dictators and sycophants won’t like an off topic debate here (omg!) so..... How about we debate the merits of this whole Kallavan thing being a part of Lyboric’s plan?

I just don’t see Kallavan killing Lyboric so what’s his real use here?

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As far as I see it, the whole thing was approved by HQ, what seat can he realistically “take back”?

The plan (if one can call it that) makes little sense as it was presented. With no possibility of success given the Army has now branded Kallavan an enemy.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Has he confirmed Baam to be a boy? With all requisite machinery?

or maybe a eunuch zombie?

btw the dictators and sycophants won’t like an off topic debate here (omg!) so..... How about we debate the merits of this whole Kallavan thing being a part of Lyboric’s plan?

I just don’t see Kallavan killing Lyboric so what’s his real use here?

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As far as I see it, the whole thing was approved by HQ, what seat can he realistically “take back”?

The plan (if one can call it that) makes little sense as it was presented. With no possibility of success given the Army has now branded Kallavan an enemy.

Not sure who will kill who, if either, but Kallavan is clearly lying about never joining Baam again. He's already won over. Unless he dies in battle that is, in which case he's telling truth (but doesn't yet know how that is).

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Yeah, people are in denial (as is Kallavan? No, he knows better) that Kallavan can win his seat back. At best he rallies the former 4th and is a pirate ronin.

 

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Could Lyboric really just be in this for Gustang’s interests? Literally trying to weaken both sides? Or secretly helping Baam? It just seems too easy to hate Lyboric, or rather SIU is framing him in a very deliberate light. We hated Kallavan yet by the same token most hate Lyboric for his plan of disposing of Kallavan and ultimately even providing team Baam with new disposable members.... Hmmmmm

edit: and “intel” if Lep can be trusted...

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Not sure who will kill who, if either, but Kallavan is clearly lying about never joining Baam again. He's already won over. Unless he dies in battle that is, in which case he's telling truth (but doesn't yet know how that is).

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Yeah, people are in denial (as is Kallavan? No, he knows better) that Kallavan can win his seat back. At best he rallies the former 4th and is a pirate ronin.

He won’t be the Jubei Kibagami of TOG, I assure you lol...

Not much of a debate if you agree hahaha

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Lyboric just seems waaaay too calm.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Could Lyboric really just be in this for Gustang’s interests? Literally trying to weaken both sides? Or secretly helping Baam? It just seems to easy to hate Lyboric, or rather SIU is framing him in a very deliberate light. We hated Kallavan yet by the same token most hate Lyboric for his plan of disposing of Kallavan and ultimately even providing team Baam with new disposable members.... Hmmmmm

Not sure either. A lot thought he was a secret traitor but then he brought a new, supposedly stronger 4th. Though they are Z army reserves either way so that's not exactly bringing new things to the table.

Although his way of 'doing things' not only didn't pan out, but destroyed a capital ship, alienated Kallavan's posse, and pissed Kallavan off to come THROUGH THE FIFTH CORPS to get to him to fight. It would be harder for a Khun to think of a better plan to aid BaamFUG than that while appearing to fight for Zahard....

All under the guise of 'just as planned'? Hell, that's a big mess for Mr. Big-brain. It's almost as if.... he's pulling a Khun (like in the games, pretending to lose) while serving the interests of the Po Bidau. Now, why on earth would that be...?




Then there's the issue of what he did to Hidden Garden. Though those actions actually preserved as many HG heavy-hitters as possible as they had already lost, certainly once Zahard had entered the room.




Are traitors traitoring traitors then?





Oh, and he's shown to be a company man WAY too much. It's over-the-top. Like, 'look how good of a company man I am I am doing all this to win!' type of convincing that even Mas is confused by his actions. It's a front?

Everyone thought Kallavan was a company man too, and look at him now.

 

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Not sure either. A lot thought he was a secret traitor but then he brought a new, supposedly stronger 4th. Though they are Z army reserves either way so that's not exactly bringing new things to the table.

Although his way of 'doing things' not only didn't pan out, but destroyed a capital ship, alienated Kallavan's posse, and pissed Kallavan off to come THROUGH THE FIFTH CORPS to get to him to fight. It would be harder for a Khun to think of a better plan to aid BaamFUG than that while appearing to fight for Zahard....

All under the guise of 'just as planned'? Hell, that's a big mess for Mr. Big-brain. It's almost as if.... he's pulling a Khun (like in the games, pretending to lose) while serving the interests of the Po Bidau. Now, why on earth would that be...?




Then there's the issue of what he did to Hidden Garden. Though those actions actually preserved as many HG heavy-hitters as possible as they had already lost, certainly once Zahard had entered the room.




Are traitors traitoring traitors then?





Oh, and he's shown to be a companyman WAY too much. It's over-the-top. Like, 'look how good of a companyman I am I am doing all this to win!' type of convincing that even Mas is confused by his actions. It's a front?

What else can it be? Either a fanatic or a great actor!

His garden actions in fact did keep them alive, but I think what will prove or disprove his allegiance is what he did with them after Luchi Poo kamikazed himself.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Lyb convincing Mas and Yas that he's here fighting for Zahard:

 

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Not sure either. A lot thought he was a secret traitor but then he brought a new, supposedly stronger 4th. Though they are Z army reserves either way so that's not exactly bringing new things to the table.

Although his way of 'doing things' not only didn't pan out, but destroyed a capital ship, alienated Kallavan's posse, and pissed Kallavan off to come THROUGH THE FIFTH CORPS to get to him to fight. It would be harder for a Khun to think of a better plan to aid BaamFUG than that while appearing to fight for Zahard....

All under the guise of 'just as planned'? Hell, that's a big mess for Mr. Big-brain. It's almost as if.... he's pulling a Khun (like in the games, pretending to lose) while serving the interests of the Po Bidau. Now, why on earth would that be...?




Then there's the issue of what he did to Hidden Garden. Though those actions actually preserved as many HG heavy-hitters as possible as they had already lost, certainly once Zahard had entered the room.




Are traitors traitoring traitors then?





Oh, and he's shown to be a company man WAY too much. It's over-the-top. Like, 'look how good of a company man I am I am doing all this to win!' type of convincing that even Mas is confused by his actions. It's a front?

Everyone thought Kallavan was a company man too, and look at him now.

Kallavan the lost...... He knows not where he is. Or where he’s from.... Just Lyboric

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Lyb convincing Mas and Yas that he's here fighting for Zahard:

Mas’ loyalty is suspect also...

She’s in no position to question anybody lol

 

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What else can it be? Either a fanatic or a great actor!

His garden actions in fact did keep them alive, but I think what will prove or disprove his allegiance is what he did with them after Luchi Poo kamikazed himself.

No ask yourself does any Khun you know, or Po Bidau for that matter, come across as a fanatical zealot for the cause? Calculating, sure, but a fanatic?


What COULD he have done? If he didn't act Zahard would have wiped them out. In that way he was able to at least put them on ice for another time.


He's basically, um, Itachi.

 

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Hasrat gets bodied by Kallavan?

pink haired cat/rat? Looking Lo Po.....

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No ask yourself does any Khun you know, or Po Bidau for that matter, come across as a fanatical zealot for the cause? Calculating, sure, but a fanatic?


What COULD he have done? If he didn't act Zahard would have wiped them out. In that way he was able to at least put them on ice for another time.


He's basically, um, Itachi.

Itachi is my god......

Lyboric for now is Sasuke.... We shall see if he enters Minato Namikaze or Itachi tier masterminding (after this hiatus)

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No but yeah, Kuhn’s aren’t usually fanatics but Mas’ might be there.... With her battle lust.

 

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Mas’ loyalty is suspect also...

She’s in no position to question anybody lol

You know it's funny because all three are fronting - Mas, Yas, and Lyb.

Even Yas agrees with me:

Yasracia: Yes. Princess, we've all gathered here, but I believe each of us have their own interests in mind.




Mas is definitely up to something, but appearing to fight for Z forces. Probably same from Lyb with the look of it. Both are busy trying hard to convince the other how loyal they are. Meanwhile Yas just comes out and says it. Hell, he's only there to enact revenge on the dogs it seems. Who knows if he's even loyal or just out of obligation. I suspect Yas may be the only one loyal to Z/LPB but that's a low bar considering the other two.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Love seeing the respect for Mas. I still think Yuri will get involved as well as March, April, and May. Maybe February or June?!

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Itachi is my god......

Lyboric for now is Sasuke.... We shall see if he enters Minato Namikaze or Itachi tier masterminding (after this hiatus)

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No but yeah, Kuhn’s aren’t usually fanatics but Mas’ might be there.... With her battle lust.

I just mean Itachi in that he even has to appear evil to his traitorous (for 'good' reason) and a little more naive Khun brother in Hidden Garden. Appearing to be loyal to the series antagonists. And willing to kill to avoid losing further allies that don't even know how loyal he really is.

Lyb is like an onion like that. Layers, man.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Can’t wait for Hwa Ryun plans B!

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Love seeing the respect for Mas. I still think Yuri will get involved as well as March, April, and May. Maybe February or June?!

Are you attempting to guess when SIU will start putting out new chapters?

 

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You know it's funny because all three are fronting - Mas, Yas, and Lyb.

Even Yas agrees with me:

Yasracia: Yes. Princess, we've all gathered here, but I believe each of us have their own interests in mind.




Mas is definitely up to something, but appearing to fight for Z forces. Probably same from Lyb with the look of it. Both are busy trying hard to convince the other how loyal they are. Meanwhile Yas just comes out and says it. Hell, he's only there to enact revenge on the dogs it seems. Who knows if he's even loyal or just out of obligation. I suspect Yas may be the only one loyal to Z/LPB but that's a low bar considering the other two.

I think that’s the most interesting bit. Figuring out their motives.... Yas, I can guess was promised something by Zahard, not only to shake The Useless(Khell Hellam) but to subjugate or eradicate the doggos... blood control style!!!

Lyb- could be Gustang’s agent, but could also actually be a Zahard Zealot...

Mas’- Is seemingly the most difficult as I’m unsure if her loyalty lies with Edahn or Zahard. On the data floor it was implied through her actions she is more loyal to Edahn. Yet, whether her actions here are in benefit of anybody but herself remain to be seen.. just sowing chaos!!!!

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I just mean Itachi in that he even has to appear evil to his traitorous (for 'good' reason) and a little more naive Khun brother in Hidden Garden. Appearing to be loyal to the series antagonists. And willing to kill to avoid losing further allies that don't even know how loyal he really is.

Lyb is like an onion like that. Layers, man.

Oh, I thought they just stunk.....

But I meant Sasuke in the fact all his plans stink and ultimately fail, yet he somehow is all good! Lol

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Lyb basically tapped Kallavan on the head and said 'get stronger, then come find me and kill me' (Itachi lol) and now Kallavan is about to rage through the 5th alongside Baam.

 

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Lyb basically tapped Kallavan on the head and said 'get stronger, then come find me and kill me' (Itachi lol) and now Kallavan is about to rage through the 5th alongside Baam.

No tsukuyomi? Lyb is Boutta izanagi Kallavan.... Alter his whole reality!!!!!!

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I think that’s the most interesting bit. Figuring out their motives.... Yas, I can guess was promised something by Zahard, not only to shake The Useless(Khell Hellam) but to subjugate or eradicate the doggos... blood control style!!!

Lyb- could be Gustang’s agent, but could also actually be a Zahard Zealot...

Mas’- Is seemingly the most difficult as I’m unsure if her loyalty lies with Edahn or Zahard. On the data floor it was implied through her actions she is more loyal to Edahn. Yet, whether her actions here are in benefit of anybody but herself remain to be seen.. just sowing chaos!!!!

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Oh, I thought they just stunk.....

But I meant Sasuke in the fact all his plans stink and ultimately fail, yet he somehow is all good! Lol

I love how Yas just comes out and says it though, while the other two attempt at one-upping each other in their loyalty to Zahard front (if that's indeed the case) and appearing crazy to even each other. The lunatics are running the asylum.

Oh, and only end-game Sasuke. Thought that's Kallavan trying to kill who he thinks betrayed him and Kallavan's already lost an arm! Kalla even has a curse seal he can release.... OK, too far.

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No tsukuyomi? Lyb is Boutta izanagi Kallavan.... Alter his whole reality!!!!!!

This actually reminds me - will we see more of Dowon (Eurasia, ahem) and her ability to mind-control? I wonder what upper limits that has. Could be very useful rather than her AoE attack.

 

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Lyb basically tapped Kallavan on the head and said 'get stronger, then come find me and kill me' (Itachi lol) and now Kallavan is about to rage through the 5th alongside Baam.

Bets on which gets destroyed first? The New 4th concerto or Lybs 5th symphony?

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I love how Yas just comes out and says it though, while the other two attempt at one-upping each other in their loyalty to Zahard front (if that's indeed the case) and appearing crazy to even each other. The lunatics are running the asylum.

Oh, and only end-game Sasuke. Thought that's Kallavan trying to kill who he thinks betrayed him and Kallavan's already lost an arm! Kalla even has a curse seal he can release.... OK, too far.

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This actually reminds me - will we see more of Dowon (Eurasia, ahem) and her ability to mind-control? I wonder what upper limits that has. Could be very useful rather than her AoE attack.

Refresh me, who did she Jedi mind trick?