Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Acnologia2415]

It worked on Bsae Natsu, and it was off guard (Natsu thought she was an ally). FDKM Natsu would 100% resist it IMO

It didn't work on enchanted Neinhart, so I have reason to believe it may fail on Erza

Neinhart has much more magic power than Erza even without the enchantment. Same with Dimaria and it worked on her.

 

[LaGOAT]

Neinhart has much more magic power than Erza even without the enchantment. Same with Dimaria and it worked on her.

That’s debatable cuz he got Shook by erza

 

[Acnologia2415]

That’s debatable cuz he got Shook by erza

True but that's more because he was surprised that she bypassed his magic.

 

[Brandish μ]

The magic power volume of the S12 is likely still above Erza.

It's really confusing to have so many glass cannons though, S12 I mean, from a PL perspective. A few of them lived up to it I suppose.

 

[Ronin31]

Spriggan's MP is above Fairy Tail's characters in general (except Gildarts who is a beast). But there MP can fluctuate with determination, anger or any other emotions to be above Spriggan's. When Erza was fighting the Historia, her determination empowered her MP to the point that bypass the Historias and shocked completely Neinhart, who was thinking that her MP's Signature relied her to Eileen. At this moment, her MP's level is clearly above and nullifie his.

So, basically, Spriggans are above but in conditions, Fairy Tail are above. See Natsu and Grey for exemple. With emotional power, Grey obliterate Invel and Natsu obliterate Dimaria, which magic was useless against Natsu who was going to be END.

 

[Jko]

Can't wait for the S12s to comeback and shake PLs again.

 

[LaGOAT]

True but that's more because he was surprised that she bypassed his magic.

Ya but dude was sweating bullet plus looked scared

 

[Axiomus]

Can you explain to me what exactly ‘Darkness Gray’ is and why it’s so impressive?

"Darkness in your heart" is just another way of saying negative emotions. Basically all you need to know is that when Juvia died, Gray got a massive POF boost. That made him as strong as END-Natsu.

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Those who overrate END also give Gray the feat of fighting on equal terms with END but if you ask me, a lot of characters could've replicated it.

Well, Gray was on equal terms with END. But you're right in that a lot of characters could have replicated it. Some arguably could have done better. I am completely convinced that Erza would have slaughtered END, and I'm not even accounting for her new devil slaying sword.

 

[Seven777]

"Darkness in your heart" is just another way of saying negative emotions. Basically all you need to know is that when Juvia died, Gray got a massive POF boost. That made him as strong as END-Natsu.

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Well, Gray was on equal terms with END. But you're right in that a lot of characters could have replicated it. Some arguably could have done better. I am completely convinced that Erza would have slaughtered END, and I'm not even accounting for her new devil slaying sword.

I disagree. "Darkness in your heart" is a specific ability unique to Devil Slayer magic, it's not a PoF boost, its merely triggered by PoF.

I also disagree on END. Erza may have won under the right conditions, but theres no way she'd slaughter him. The damage Erza's hands received when blocking their attacks makes me think she's less durable than either END of Gray, given they were full force punching each other in the face and didn't receive anywhere close to the same level of damage she revieved when actually blocking the attacks. I used to consider END fairly mediocre too given the scale of his attacks compared to FDK, but seeing the attacks that finished Zeref and Acno, I now just chalk it up to size dont mean shit. END hype was disappointing, but it's clear Mashima bought into it, so it's still likely one of Natsus top tier forms

 

[Axiomus]

I disagree. "Darkness in your heart" is a specific ability unique to Devil Slayer magic, it's not a PoF boost, its merely triggered by PoF.

I also disagree on END. Erza may have won under the right conditions, but theres no way she'd slaughter him. The damage Erza's hands received when blocking their attacks makes me think she's less durable than either END of Gray, given they were full force punching each other in the face and didn't receive anywhere close to the same level of damage she revieved when actually blocking the attacks. I used to consider END fairly mediocre too given the scale of his attacks compared to FDK, but seeing the attacks that finished Zeref and Acno, I now just chalk it up to size dont mean shit. END hype was disappointing, but it's clear Mashima bought into it, so it's still likely one of Natsus top tier forms

It's not unique to Devil Slaying magic. Zeref uses it. The dragon seeds are created from darkness too. Darkness is literally just a way to describe negative emotions.

Erza that fought Irene would smack around END. Erza blocked Natsu and Gray's attack with her bare hands using an armor that offers zero defensive capabilities. She did so out of kindness and concern. If Erza actually wanted to, she could have blocked with her swords. Or better yet, cut both of them on the arms with her swords. The little damage that Erza did suffer from END and Gray's attacks basically amounted to nothing. Didn't affect her performance against Irene in the slightest. In fact, after Irene smashed Erza's bones (which broke through her defenses even when she tried to use her swords to block), Erza actually used the arm that got burned by END to propel herself towards the meteor. It was the least damaged part of her body. That one arm has better feats than END.

 

[Ramen]

Well, Gray was on equal terms with END. But you're right in that a lot of characters could have replicated it. Some arguably could have done better. I am completely convinced that Erza would have slaughtered END, and I'm not even accounting for her new devil slaying sword.

Point being is that a lot of people could've done that.

@grey matter I will convince you lolz

 

[Seven777]

It's not unique to Devil Slaying magic. Zeref uses it. The dragon seeds are created from darkness too. Darkness is literally just a way to describe negative emotions.

Erza that fought Irene would smack around END. Erza blocked Natsu and Gray's attack with her bare hands using an armor that offers zero defensive capabilities. She did so out of kindness and concern. If Erza actually wanted to, she could have blocked with her swords. Or better yet, cut both of them on the arms with her swords. The little damage that Erza did suffer from END and Gray's attacks basically amounted to nothing. Didn't affect her performance against Irene in the slightest. In fact, after Irene smashed Erza's bones (which broke through her defenses even when she tried to use her swords to block), Erza actually used the arm that got burned by END to propel herself towards the meteor. It was the least damaged part of her body. That one arm is has better feats than END.

True, but DeS magic originates from Zeref. Where is it said dragon seeds are created from darkness?
Curse is literally just a way to describe negative emotions too, doesn't mean it isn't fundamentally different from magic. Gray's darkness is no more PoF than curses are, there is a reason why Invel specifically associates it with his DeS magic.

Says who? Nothing suggests that human Eileen could beat END, by hype Natsu would win and kill Zeref too while he's at it. By feats he slaughtered Dimaria, something EIleen could no doubt do too, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest she's a cut above that. Plus END power beat Animus.
So what if Erza blocked the attacks without armor? Natsu got punched in the face without armor, Gray blocked a punch without armor. They've literally collided their fists against each so hard that the surrounding area got blown away, neither of their fists received anywhere close to the damage Erza did.
As for the injuries not affecting her performance, again, so what? How many times has Erza been attacked? And not an attack that she's blocked like with Gray and Natsu, an attack that she's taken straight to the face or body, how many times has that affected her performance? Almost never, even the injuries of entire battles often don't affect her performance, let alone single attacks. Either way it's irrelevant, because she clearly took more damage than either Natsu or Gray did when they attacked each other.

 

[Axiomus]

True, but DeS magic originates from Zeref. Where is it said dragon seeds are created from darkness?
Curse is literally just a way to describe negative emotions too, doesn't mean it isn't fundamentally different from magic. Gray's darkness is no more PoF than curses are, there is a reason why Invel specifically associates it with his DeS magic.

Says who? Nothing suggests that human Eileen could beat END, by hype Natsu would win and kill Zeref too while he's at it. By feats he slaughtered Dimaria, something EIleen could no doubt do too, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest she's a cut above that. Plus END power beat Animus.
So what if Erza blocked the attacks without armor? Natsu got punched in the face without armor, Gray blocked a punch without armor. They've literally collided their fists against each so hard that the surrounding area got blown away, neither of their fists received anywhere close to the damage Erza did.
As for the injuries not affecting her performance, again, so what? How many times has Erza been attacked? And not an attack that she's blocked like with Gray and Natsu, an attack that she's taken straight to the face or body, how many times has that affected her performance? Almost never, even the injuries of entire battles often don't affect her performance, let alone single attacks. Either way it's irrelevant, because she clearly took more damage than either Natsu or Gray did when they attacked each other.

Etherious originated from Zeref, not necessarily devil slaying magic. Also Invel said that darkness was something any human can use.

Spoiler: Igneel explaining the seeds

Spoiler: Invel explaining darkness

Magic and curses come from emotions, so yeah stronger emotions make everything stronger. Gray at the peak of his POF is comparable to END Natsu. END Natsu itself has a respectable level of rage-induced POF. But END's rage pales in comparison when compared to Natsu's feelings towards the guild, which beat Zeref's darkness. END's powers doesn't actually have the hype of being able to kill Zeref. Zeref has never actually said that END's demonic power could kill him. In fact, he sent Natsu to be trained by Igneel instead of just releasing END's power even when he had the book.

There is very little doubt to me that Irene is stronger than END. I'm not sure why we're limiting her to her human form, but she smashed through Erza's defenses even when Erza held up a sword to block her claw swipe. This is strictly better than what END was able to achieve. This couldn't keep Erza down btw. Despite having all her bones smashed, Erza still propelled herself towards the meteor (with the arm that END burned no less). Then she smashed the meteor and then inflicted massive damage on Irene. So just imagine that Erza wasn't interested in preventing Natsu and Gray from hurting each other. Instead of blocking with her bare hands, she slashed them with her meteor splitting slash.

Spoiler

END's power didn't beat Animus. The demon seed hadn't started growing yet, or it would have been killing Natsu. Really, the scope of transformation that Natsu had during Dragon Cry isn't really comparable to the form he had against Animus. So if that was END's power, it's still different enough from what we saw in Alvarez to not have any meaningful scaling.

 

[Seven777]

Etherious originated from Zeref, not necessarily devil slaying magic. Also Invel said that darkness was something any human can use.

Spoiler: Igneel explaining the seeds

Spoiler: Invel explaining darkness

Magic and curses come from emotions, so yeah stronger emotions make everything stronger. Gray at the peak of his POF is comparable to END Natsu. END Natsu itself has a respectable level of rage-induced POF. But END's rage pales in comparison when compared to Natsu's feelings towards the guild, which beat Zeref's darkness. END's powers doesn't actually have the hype of being able to kill Zeref. Zeref has never actually said that END's demonic power could kill him. In fact, he sent Natsu to be trained by Igneel instead of just releasing END's power even when he had the book.

There is very little doubt to me that Irene is stronger than END. I'm not sure why we're limiting her to her human form, but she smashed through Erza's defenses even when Erza held up a sword to block her claw swipe. This is strictly better than what END was able to achieve. This couldn't keep Erza down btw. Despite having all her bones smashed, Erza still propelled herself towards the meteor (with the arm that END burned no less). Then she smashed the meteor and then inflicted massive damage on Irene. So just imagine that Erza wasn't interested in preventing Natsu and Gray from hurting each other. Instead of blocking with her bare hands, she slashed them with her meteor splitting slash.

Spoiler

END's power didn't beat Animus. The demon seed hadn't started growing yet, or it would have been killing Natsu. Really, the scope of transformation that Natsu had during Dragon Cry isn't really comparable to the form he had against Animus. So if that was END's power, it's still different enough from what we saw in Alvarez to not have any meaningful scaling.

Sure, but chances are Silver learned the Etherious kind of DeS magic.
I don't think Igneel means the same kind of darkness Invel does.
Sure, any human can possess pretty much any magic, but not everyone does. Darkness is specifically related to Zeref's and Gray's DeS magic, it's not the same as PoF
They do, since Tartaros END has been hyped to kill Zeref, END Natsu himself specifically said he was going to kill Zeref. Zeref sent Natsu to the future in anticipation that he would one day end him. Zeref also can't just release END as far as we know, it has to be done naturally. In fact Zeref tried to kill Makarov and Gray specifically so END would kill him.

Spoiler

As for Natsu's love for the guild being the stronger force, yeah, sure, sure, but in that instance he was using the power of the guild, with his mark flashing and all that, that ain't normal PoF.

There is for me. As for why we're limiting her to her human form, because her dragon form is squarely above Erza, and we're as a whole, comparing Erza to END in this argument, not the various forms of Eileen.
As for the meteor, I wouldn't put it above what END or Gray could smash either, so Erza going in for a meteor splitting slash isn't the end of the world for those two. And even if they couldn't smash the meteor, just means they have lower attack power, which isn't everything. For instance, they both have higher durability than her.

Really? As I recall END was specifically mentioned, though tbh i dont remember much of the film.

 

[grey matter]

Who else fought him? You can see Mira beating anyone foh.

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But won?

what is foh?

 

[Ramen]

what is foh?

Fuck outta here.

Like when you overrate Peak PoF Gray against Laxus or Gildarts I say Foh.

 

[Axiomus]

Sure, but chances are Silver learned the Etherious kind of DeS magic.
I don't think Igneel means the same kind of darkness Invel does.
Sure, any human can possess pretty much any magic, but not everyone does. Darkness is specifically related to Zeref's and Gray's DeS magic, it's not the same as PoF
They do, since Tartaros END has been hyped to kill Zeref, END Natsu himself specifically said he was going to kill Zeref. Zeref sent Natsu to the future in anticipation that he would one day end him. Zeref also can't just release END as far as we know, it has to be done naturally. In fact Zeref tried to kill Makarov and Gray specifically so END would kill him.

Spoiler

As for Natsu's love for the guild being the stronger force, yeah, sure, sure, but in that instance he was using the power of the guild, with his mark flashing and all that, that ain't normal PoF.

There is for me. As for why we're limiting her to her human form, because her dragon form is squarely above Erza, and we're as a whole, comparing Erza to END in this argument, not the various forms of Eileen.
As for the meteor, I wouldn't put it above what END or Gray could smash either, so Erza going in for a meteor splitting slash isn't the end of the world for those two. And even if they couldn't smash the meteor, just means they have lower attack power, which isn't everything. For instance, they both have higher durability than her.

Really? As I recall END was specifically mentioned, though tbh i dont remember much of the film.

Well darkness is darkness. Like I said, "darkness in your heart" is just another way of saying negative emotions. Magic itself is a form of POF in FT. Also, Invel literally said that darkness was a source of power that any human can use.

Zeref himself has never actually said that END possess the power to kill him. Mard may have said something about it, but Mard isn't a reliable source. Zeref can just open the book to release END's power. I mean, END's power ended up going into Lucy when she opened it. So why couldn't he get a way for it to go in Natsu too? Zeref wanted to kill Makarov and Gray so Natsu would get mad enough to kill him. And honestly, Zeref was only ever really confident in his chances of dying with Igneel's power.

Natsu's love for the guild is literally just POF. It's not like Natsu was literally siphoning magic power from everyone in the guild (and if he can do that, then it's literally impossible for him to lose against anyone in the guild in an all out serious fight), or that there's some source of ramdom "guild power" that he could draw into. It's POF.

We can't just pretend that Erza doesn't have showings against dragon Irene. Because she does. Erza has feats of smashing Irene's best enchantment and then cutting Irene out of her dragon form. She did so after tanking an attack that is objectively superior to Natsu and Gray's attacks. I am not at all convinced that END or Gray can deal anything more than superficial damage against a naked Erza. Let alone can smash through Erza's sword (which Laxus with red lightning can't even do). Let alone break all her bones. Let alone launch an attack on the level of Deus Sema. Let alone tank an attack that dealt massive damage to Irene's dragon form.

 

[Seven777]

Well darkness is darkness. Like I said, "darkness in your heart" is just another way of saying negative emotions. Magic itself is a form of POF in FT. Also, Invel literally said that darkness was a source of power that any human can use.

Zeref himself has never actually said that END possess the power to kill him. Mard may have said something about it, but Mard isn't a reliable source. Zeref can just open the book to release END's power. I mean, END's power ended up going into Lucy when she opened it. So why couldn't he get a way for it to go in Natsu too? Zeref wanted to kill Makarov and Gray so Natsu would get mad enough to kill him. And honestly, Zeref was only ever really confident in his chances of dying with Igneel's power.

Natsu's love for the guild is literally just POF. It's not like Natsu was literally siphoning magic power from everyone in the guild (and if he can do that, then it's literally impossible for him to lose against anyone in the guild in an all out serious fight), or that there's some source of ramdom "guild power" that he could draw into. It's POF.

We can't just pretend that Erza doesn't have showings against dragon Irene. Because she does. Erza has feats of smashing Irene's best enchantment and then cutting Irene out of her dragon form. She did so after tanking an attack that is objectively superior to Natsu and Gray's attacks. I am not at all convinced that END or Gray can deal anything more than superficial damage against a naked Erza. Let alone can smash through Erza's sword (which Laxus with red lightning can't even do). Let alone break all her bones. Let alone launch an attack on the level of Deus Sema. Let alone tank an attack that dealt massive damage to Irene's dragon form.

No, he said it's a power that anyone can possess, not a power than anyone has or can access. so sounds to me like it's not an inherent ability to everyone. Him linking it to Zeref and DeS magic is especially suspect. Then there is the fact that it needs to be "awakened", rather than just used. Not really PoF, not the normal kind anyway.

Did you see the image I posted? He says Natsu would crush him if he dropped Makarovs corpse at his feet. ENDs whole hype in the first place revolves around his ability to kill Zeref, Zeref not specifically saying the word "kill" doesn't put that hype in the dirt, especially when he alludes to it frequently.
ENDs power is a choice, even when the power is literally consuming his body he can choose to use it, he can choose to destroy it and as far as we know Zeref can't force the decision on Natsu. Zeref wanted END to kill him, he specifically ingrained the desire to "kill Zeref" into his brain, there's no reason not to unleash END if Zeref could force it through and theres no reason to kill Gray and Makarov if not to unleash that power, you think he just wants to make Natsu sad? I dont think so.

Actually i'd say it's much more likely he was literally siphoning off magic from the guild, or perhaps using a Fairy Sphere-esque ability where he converts bonds into power. In any case it's not normal PoF, and like early day Dragon Force, i don't think it's something he can do in any fight, even a desperate one.

Cutting dragon Eileen was Wendy power and DS advantage. For the meteor, like I said, I wouldn't put it above what Gray or Natsu could do.
For doing more than superficial damage to Erza, everyone can, even the likes of Ajeel, even the likes of Kyoka, even the likes of Ikaruga, Erza can simply endure it. If you want to make an argument that Erza can simply power through END or Gray's attacks with her endurance, then I'm willing to hear it, but she's not slaughtering them, it's a high diff fight that she will emerge from significantly injured, probably worse off than her battle with Ajeel.
As for smashing through her sword, Kyria can do it. If we're talking about Belserion sword then thats a different story, but im talking Alvarez PLs

 

[Axiomus]

No, he said it's a power that anyone can possess, not a power than anyone has or can access. so sounds to me like it's not an inherent ability to everyone. Him linking it to Zeref and DeS magic is especially suspect. Then there is the fact that it needs to be "awakened", rather than just used. Not really PoF, not the normal kind anyway.

Did you see the image I posted? He says Natsu would crush him if he dropped Makarovs corpse at his feet. ENDs whole hype in the first place revolves around his ability to kill Zeref, Zeref not specifically saying the word "kill" doesn't put that hype in the dirt, especially when he alludes to it frequently.
ENDs power is a choice, even when the power is literally consuming his body he can choose to use it, he can choose to destroy it and as far as we know Zeref can't force the decision on Natsu. Zeref wanted END to kill him, he specifically ingrained the desire to "kill Zeref" into his brain, there's no reason not to unleash END if Zeref could force it through and theres no reason to kill Gray and Makarov if not to unleash that power, you think he just wants to make Natsu sad? I dont think so.

Actually i'd say it's much more likely he was literally siphoning off magic from the guild, or perhaps using a Fairy Sphere-esque ability where he converts bonds into power. In any case it's not normal PoF, and like early day Dragon Force, i don't think it's something he can do in any fight, even a desperate one.

Cutting dragon Eileen was Wendy power and DS advantage. For the meteor, like I said, I wouldn't put it above what Gray or Natsu could do.
For doing more than superficial damage to Erza, everyone can, even the likes of Ajeel, even the likes of Kyoka, even the likes of Ikaruga, Erza can simply endure it. If you want to make an argument that Erza can simply power through END or Gray's attacks with her endurance, then I'm willing to hear it, but she's not slaughtering them, it's a high diff fight that she will emerge from significantly injured, probably worse off than her battle with Ajeel.
As for smashing through her sword, Kyria can do it. If we're talking about Belserion sword then thats a different story, but im talking Alvarez PLs

Invel actually says that darkness is something that exists in everyone in the Japanese. Again, darkness is just another way of saying negative emotions. Power of feelings is just power that comes from emotions. Using darkness as a source of power is literally just using your negative emotions as POF. There's no such thing as "abnormal" or "normal" POF.

If Natsu was siphoning enough magic from everyone in the guild to beat FH Zeref, then everyone else would be visibly drained. They weren't. As for it not being something Natsu could regularly tap into....The same can be said about Gray's darkness. These are their extreme POF showings.

The images you posted has Zeref saying that he wants Natsu to be mad enough to kill him. He doesn't say anything about END's power. The reason Zeref didn't release END is very simple. He never had any confidence that it could kill him. Hence why he sent Igneel to train Natsu, and why he only expressed confidence in him being able to die when Natsu had Igneel's power.

I would definitely put smashing Deus Sema above what Gray and Natsu with END's power can do. Their all out attacks was blocked by Erza barehanded using an armor that offers zero defensive properties. There's no way they're smashing through Deus Sema. Ajeel injured Erza by sucking all the water out of her body by grabbing her. Neither Gray nor Natsu can really replicate this. Erza was already injured going into her fight with the historia, so the damage they dealt to her wouldn't have amounted to much had she been at full health. Kyria has the ability to cut anything, which again, neither END nor Gray can replicate. Erza being able to power through END's attacks was never in question. She powered through Irene's claw swipe that broke all her bones, which was a strictly better attack. END has to dish out more damage than what Irene in her dragon form can dish out to actually put Erza down. And he can't. Even if Erza stood there and took his hits, he's not smashing all of her bones. Erza would straight up overwhelm him with superior firepower. In an actual fight, she wouldn't even bother trying to block his attack with her hands. She'd either block with her sword and cut him on the arms, or just blitz him and cut him on his body.

Wendy may have given Erza dragon slaying magic to cut Irene with, but Erza doesn't need any slayer magic to cut END. First of all, demons are nowhere near as durable as dragons. Secondly, only Natsu's hands are demonic. Finally, and here's the real kicker....Erza now has both a devil slaying and a dragon slaying sword.

 

[Seven777]

Invel actually says that darkness is something that exists in everyone in the Japanese. Again, darkness is just another way of saying negative emotions. Power of feelings is just power that comes from emotions. Using darkness as a source of power is literally just using your negative emotions as POF. There's no such thing as "abnormal" or "normal" POF.

If Natsu was siphoning enough magic from everyone in the guild to beat FH Zeref, then everyone else would be visibly drained. They weren't. As for it not being something Natsu could regularly tap into....The same can be said about Gray's darkness. These are their extreme POF showings.

The images you posted has Zeref saying that he wants Natsu to be mad enough to kill him. He doesn't say anything about END's power. The reason Zeref didn't release END is very simple. He never had any confidence that it could kill him. Hence why he sent Igneel to train Natsu, and why he only expressed confidence in him being able to die when Natsu had Igneel's power.

I would definitely put smashing Deus Sema above what Gray and Natsu with END's power can do. Their all out attacks was blocked by Erza barehanded using an armor that offers zero defensive properties. There's no way they're smashing through Deus Sema. Ajeel injured Erza by sucking all the water out of her body by grabbing her. Neither Gray nor Natsu can really replicate this. Erza was already injured going into her fight with the historia, so the damage they dealt to her wouldn't have amounted to much had she been at full health. Kyria has the ability to cut anything, which again, neither END nor Gray can replicate. Erza being able to power through END's attacks was never in question. She powered through Irene's claw swipe that broke all her bones, which was a strictly better attack. END has to dish out more damage than what Irene in her dragon form can dish out to actually put Erza down. And he can't. Even if Erza stood there and took his hits, he's not smashing all of her bones. Erza would straight up overwhelm him with superior firepower. In an actual fight, she wouldn't even bother trying to block his attack with her hands. She'd either block with her sword and cut him on the arms, or just blitz him and cut him on his body.

Wendy may have given Erza dragon slaying magic to cut Irene with, but Erza doesn't need any slayer magic to cut END. First of all, demons are nowhere near as durable as dragons. Secondly, only Natsu's hands are demonic. Finally, and here's the real kicker....Erza now has both a devil slaying and a dragon slaying sword.

Then why did he link it to Zeref? Why did he take note of it's presence in Gray? Why does it have to be "awakened"? It's not PoF, it's closer to curse power. If you want to say all magic and Curses are PoF, therefore darkness is PoF too, then sure, I'll concede, it's as much PoF as Dragon Force is PoF.

Not if it was a Fairy Sphere type scenario, which i'm almost certain is the case. As for Gray's Darkness, it's already been awakened, he doesn't need to awaken it again.

He doesn't need to, Natsu is END.
That makes no sense. Why kill Makarov? Why kill Gray? Why drop their bodies at Natsu's feet? He just want to torture his little brother? Not likely. Zeref always thought END could kill him, and frequently tried to force that out of Natsu. He wanted a Lucy scenario. As for sending him away with Igneel, sure, that explains not awakening END in kid Natsu, not full grown Natsu.

I wouldn't, neither Gray nor Natsu had even started using named attacks yet, the fight wasn't close to concluding.
Ajeel injured Erza by attacking her, Natsu and Gray can replicate this. Ajeels attacks aren't outperforming either of them.
Kyria being able to cut anything is hyperbole and breaking Erza's shit is nothing new, even for Benizakura, not that Natsu, Gray or anyone else need to accomplish this to win a fight.
As for Erza being able to power through ENDs attacks, it is in question, and no, you don't need to be able to dish out more damage than Eileen, or break Erza's bones to beat her. Accumulated damage is a thing, eventually she'll just run out of strength, like against Neinhart. I mean there's no way the injuries she sustained from Neinhart added to the left over fatigue of a battle that happened the day before, which she also received healing for, is worse than broken bones, but there it is.

I didn't say Erza needed advantage to cut END, I only mentioned it on EIleen to illustrated Dragon Eileen>Erza.
As for DeS sword, I'm arguing Alvarez PLs, if you want to argue current Erza beats END, I agree.