Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GL_Nova]

Yea I also agree with the bold. At this point, I think the top tiers of FT and Spriggans can take out the GMG dragons.

This jives with him saying they are the strongest foes they ever faced.

 

[Ramen]

This jives with him saying they are the strongest foes they ever faced.

Jives?

 

[Ramen]

Looking back at it, the Spriggans should have defeated Ishgar with no issue. Mashima really backed himself up in a corner.

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How is this bad? It's teamwork plus spotlight of Gray and Juvia beating him. That hardly bad especially even if shipping in there, them fight never a bad thing especially it make sense. These guys are hardly fodder as they are actually pushing them extremes more.

Zeref and Spirrigan aren't fodder especially Acnologia of how much work it took on him XD.

Final arc is bad, but saying this is as bad as that or enemies are going down easier couldn't be more farther than truth. Got stop thinking every chapter is bad when it isn't. The fights been more logical and better than final arc we had in main series.

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Not really especially if she does it while he get Fusion END state again. It makes all the more sense on how Aldrin goes down. Stop trying to see bad of situation when more logical than what you stating.

Fusion END?

 

[Seven777]

Well then that's your opinion. I think Igneel's power reserves > END if you're talking about the END that fought Gray. The END which fought Gray was only partially demonized , and I don't have him necessarily above Erza tier even in magic reserves. And I have Zeref's durability > anyone in Alvarez. Zeref needed power of the dead which was stronger than himself to kill him , and even August who was completely willing to give up his life for his papa and the strongest of the Spriggan 12 didn't help him in this regard. The entire plot of Fairy Tail is based on this fact , and it would become nonsensical garbage if we were to assume that Zeref despite having a means to die at his disposal for many years didn't do it. Only Igneel's power of the dead was capable of killing him , and he tanked it almost until the very end.

Zeref used an immobilization spell on Natsu , to which Natsu didn't have an attack strong enough to break out of , is what I'm getting at. Had he used that at the start of the fight the outcome would've been the same , because Natsu isn't going to magically get an attack strong enough to break out of that spell in base. What matters here is the nature of the spell. That spell wasn't about knocking out Natsu/testing his durability. That was about whether Natsu had an attack strong enough to break out of it in base , which he either does or he doesn't. Also I can point out that Gildarts and Acnologia were bloodlusted in their fights and still struggled against their opponents. Also no , I think DF Natsu >>> END Natsu. END , even at full power only had the hype to kill Zeref. ( If you believe it but as @Axiomus pointed out even that isn't mentioned by Zeref ) DF at full power lets you transform into an Acnologia level dragon. Acnologia level >>> Zeref level. Partial Dragonization >>> Partial Demonization.

Sure , but demon or god slayers aren't explicitly stated to have their powers been enchanted from demons or gods. Dragon slayers are. For all we know , that particular type of magic could be letting them slay gods/demons , which is more than likely considering how Silver was the only user of magic while the rest of the etherious used curses. Him turning into a demon is more likely a side effect of DeS.

I'm saying that Human Irene's damage didn't disappear so as to give an explanation as to why Dragon Irene getting oneshotted by PoF Erza isn't that strange.

She allowed Erza to deal damage in the sense she allowed her to bypass her scales. The potency of the attack was Erza's.

Fair enough.
I personally dont really buy into the "partial END" thing anymore.
For Zeref's durability, yeah, fair, but I think Natsu has the offense to overcome any durability in Alvarez if he lands enough hits. And imo END has something similar to the power of the dead that would let him finish the deed.

I don't buy it, the immobilization landed because Natsu was tired, if Zeref used it at the start Natsu would be fine, either by dodging or whatever. Base Natsu not being able to break out also doesn't mean END couldnt.
So what if Gildarts was bloodlusted? Bluenote was on his level. Acno was bloodlusted against who?

They dont need to, they have the title "slayer", besides even for DS being enchanted isn't even necessary, its just a short cut. You can learn it yourself like Elseferia. There's also no implied relation between being enchanted and failing to do the same additional damage other slayers do. As for Silver using magic, sure, it's called DeS magic, but that don't mean it's not Curse Power too. Bloodman has no magic but he still used Ice DeS magic. Even Mirajane uses Curse Power, despite her magic being magic, Freed uses MBPs, etc.

Sure, she had previous damage to help too, but DS advantage was still required imo.
I disagree, the potency was thanks to DS advantage, the same as Gray's potency against Mard Geer. If Erza had the potency to critically injure Eileen, she would've been able to cut through Eileen without DS advantage. Eileen's durability is as much her own strength as Mards durability was his, if Erza couldn't beat it, then it's because she wasn't strong enough.

 

[JK Network]

Looking back at it, the Spriggans should have defeated Ishgar with no issue. Mashima really backed himself up in a corner.

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Fusion END?

Not true. Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, and Natsu were strong enough to take on most of the Spriggans back Then. laxys only struggled to beat wall bevsyse he was sick and wall was a counter. He nearly one shotted ajeel. Jellal is on par with him. Natsu beat neinhart, Dimaria and Zeref. Gildarts is well Gildarts Lol. Only spriggans they couldn’t solo were August, Irene and larcade. The rest weren’t rest much if an issue

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Nah, FT would legit die if the S12 would have been serious. You can't tell me a bunch of island level characters can mess with country-continental destroyers. If Brandish makes Gajeel into Aldo size then she can solo the entire guild at once.

Also Brandish hax can work on any good guy since none of them have shown anything to even say they can resist it. She pops their brain easily. Now she can just enlarge herself to Aldo's size and step on the entire guild and kill them. This also further proves that Wall would have smoked FT with Etherion as well.

S12 stomp on FT. It's bad when I could say several could legit solo. So the S12 aren't fodder, it's just FT bs their way through the Alvarez arc bcs Mashima was in a rush to get to EZ.

Not really. Laxus nearly smoked Ajeel If it wasn’t for August. And I doubt brandish‘s hax works on the top tiers in ft since it didn’t even work on neinhart. And wall got his ass beat by Laxus. Only spriggan that stomp ate August, Irene and maybe larcade. The rest can’t beat Gildarts that for sure.

 

[Ramen]

Not true. Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, and Natsu were strong enough to take on most of the Spriggans back Then. laxys only struggled to beat wall bevsyse he was sick and wall was a counter. He nearly one shotted ajeel. Jellal is on par with him. Natsu beat neinhart, Dimaria and Zeref. Gildarts is well Gildarts Lol. Only spriggans they couldn’t solo were August, Irene and larcade. The rest weren’t rest much if an issue

Jellal only beat Neinhart. Gildarts couldn't do much against August. Invel actually killed Gray. Bloodman killed Gajeel. The rest is whatever.

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Who knows how GS would've fared.

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Larcade could've solo'd most of FT on his own anyways.

 

[JK Network]

Jellal only beat Neinhart. Gildarts couldn't do much against August. Invel actually killed Gray. Bloodman killed Gajeel. The rest is whatever.

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Who knows how GS would've fared.

This doesn’t change what I said. I said that the only spriggan that they couldn’t solo were August like you mention, Irene and maybe larcade. the rest aren’t an issue and bloodman still lost to Gajeel. He just took Gajeel with him. Invel never should have been a threat to gray in the first place but that’s a different conversation. My point is that besides the top three the other spriggan weren’t going to solo ft like some people claim. That’s ridiculous

 

[Ramen]

This doesn’t change what I said. I said that the only spriggan that they couldn’t solo were August like you mention, Irene and maybe larcade. the rest aren’t an issue and bloodman still lost to Gajeel. He just took Gajeel with him. Invel never should have been a threat to gray in the first place but that’s a different conversation. My point is that besides the top three the other spriggan weren’t going to solo ft like some people claim. That’s ridiculous

The Spriggans were kicking ass before all the bs came. Nienhart and Ajeel could've killed Erza easy. Larcade easily floored Gildarts and Laxus. There was no one that could survive a 1v1 against August. Irene could do heavy damage. Invel effortlessly killed Juvia and Gray.

Point is, the S12's were winning the war pretty easily before all the bs came in.

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Individually, no Spriggan 12 is soloing. Collectively, however it seemed like they were but Mashima had to pull them out somehow.

 

[JK Network]

The Spriggans were kicking ass before all the bs came. Nienhart and Ajeel could've killed Erza easy. Larcade easily floored Gildarts and Laxus. There was no one that could survive a 1v1 against August. Irene could do heavy damage. Invel effortlessly killed Juvia and Gray.

Point is, the S12's were winning the war pretty easily before all the bs came in.

Bro I already said that the top three were too much and couldn’t be soloed. And Ajeel flight Erza nerfed. Her magic was being affected by marin people forget that. And She fought neinhart while injured and btw neinhart? You mean The same neinhart who got low diffed by Jellal? You mean the same neinhart who get one shotted by BASE NATSU? That neinhart? Yeah not exactly threatening.

So yeah other then the top three and I guess Invel like I’ve said the others weren’t going to solo ft. Especially not people like neinhart and Ajeel. Btw like I said ajeel almost got destroyed by a sick Laxus. And you got it backwards ft was winning th war easily in the beginnin. Every first fight with the spriggan ended with the spriggans losing. Jacob, Ajeel, dimaria, bloodman, wall etc.

And sure maybe as a team they could have done something but it is what it is.

 

[Ramen]

Bro I already said that the top three were too much and couldn’t be soloed. And Ajeel flight Erza nerfed. Her magic was being affected by marin people forget that. And She fought neinhart while injured and btw neinhart? You mean The same neinhart who got low diffed by Jellal? You mean the same neinhart who get one shotted by BASE NATSU? That neinhart? Yeah not exactly threatening.

So yeah other then the top three and I guess Invel like I’ve said the others weren’t going to solo ft. Especially not people like neinhart and Ajeel. Btw like I said ajeel almost got destroyed by a sick Laxus. And you got it backwards ft was winning th war easily in the beginnin. Every first fight with the spriggan ended with the spriggans losing. Jacob, Ajeel, dimaria, bloodman, wall etc.

And sure maybe as a team they could have done something but it is what it is.

The entire S12 was nerfed. Aside from the big three, Wahl was literally immune to lightning before Mashima pulled that RL bs. Dimaria's hax was so broken they brought back Ultear out of nowhere. Gajeel beat Bloodman but he should've been killed with him. Brandish wasn't really defeated but I find it weird she never used her magic to defeat people which she could've done. Ajeel would've killed Erza had it not been for Bisca. Jacob was nerfed against Mira. She even said so. Neinhart's historias almost killed Erza.

Zeref with FH should've solo'd everyone on his own.

When was Ishgar winning the war? I've already explained that most of the heavy hitters would've been killed if no bs came into play. They only got back into it later.

From a logical standpoint, Mashima backed himself into a corner.

 

[JK Network]

The entire S12 was nerfed. Aside from the big three, Wahl was literally immune to lightning before Mashima pulled that RL bs. Dimaria's hax was so broken they brought back Ultear out of nowhere. Gajeel beat Bloodman but he should've been killed with him. Brandish wasn't really defeated but I find it weird she never used her magic to defeat people which she could've done. Ajeel would've killed Erza had it not been for Bisca. Jacob was nerfed against Mira. She even said so. Neinhart's historias almost killed Erza.

Zeref with FH should've solo'd everyone on his own.

When was Ishgar winning the war? I've already explained that most of the heavy hitters would've been killed if no bs came into play. They only got back into it later.

From a logical standpoint, Mashima backed himself into a corner.

Yeah but besides being immune to lightning he wasn’t stronger then Laxus. Only thing he had against Laxus was that Laxus was Sick and that he was immune to lightning. And his Etherion canon. but take away his lightning immunity and Laxus‘s sickness and he’s nothing compared to him.

We know why brandish didn’t fight ft anymore and neinhart was immune touch her magic though I think she still could have stomped him.

Like I said Erza was nerfed in that fight too. And she would have beaten him if she just used nakagami from the start but true she needed bisca but he wouldn’t have killed her easily.

Neinhart is trash dude. Like I said he got low diffed by BASE NATSU. BASE. Even jacob put up a better fight against base Natsu. And low diffed by Jellal.

like I said in the beginnin. Erza with Bisca beat Ajeel. Laxus beat wall. Chelia defeated Dimaria, Jacob lost etc. Yes most of those were bs but ishagr was winning. They were defeating the spriggan one by one until Irene came in and used universe 1 ans neinhart revived the dead ones. So how was alveraz winning easily?

And yes Mashima did back himself into a corner but that doesn’t change that the top tiers in ft and jellal could handle most of the spriggans. And without confusion I specifically mean the top tiers as in gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, and Natsu. Again those guys and the only ones they couldn’t solo were the top three.

 

[Jko]

Not true. Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, and Natsu were strong enough to take on most of the Spriggans back Then. laxys only struggled to beat wall bevsyse he was sick and wall was a counter. He nearly one shotted ajeel. Jellal is on par with him. Natsu beat neinhart, Dimaria and Zeref. Gildarts is well Gildarts Lol. Only spriggans they couldn’t solo were August, Irene and larcade. The rest weren’t rest much if an issue

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Not really. Laxus nearly smoked Ajeel If it wasn’t for August. And I doubt brandish‘s hax works on the top tiers in ft since it didn’t even work on neinhart. And wall got his ass beat by Laxus. Only spriggan that stomp ate August, Irene and maybe larcade. The rest can’t beat Gildarts that for sure.

He caught Ajeel off guard and Laxus couldn't even oneshot Kiria. He wasn't oneshotting a person who could wreck Erza once they went serious. Not to mention Sand World is far bigger than any spell Laxus could produce. It didn't work on Neinheart bcs of Irene's enchantment. Neinheart's MP is far above Laxus' as well. Nah, DiMaria (timestop) stomps, Brandish (organ bust or literally stomps in giant form) stomps, Jacob stomps (Transport), Wall stomps (Etherion) and Bloodman (MCBs, Absorption, Memento Mori, Sensation, and Macro) stomps. FT only made through Alvarez bcs the S12 didn't take it serious, PoF, asspulls, and avbunch of other buffonery. The fact that Brandish can make herself or anyone as big as Aldo already makes her solo the guild without even needing to pop their brains. Also Brandish had no trouble threatening the entire lives of the guild which Lucy thought she could do it. No one in FT bar END has the ability to get out of Brandish MM and no one in the guild has the MP on par with an S12 either. FT 100YQ is only further proving that FT was never ready to take on the S12s. Too much evidence that FT is out classed against the S12s has been shown in the 100YQ.

Gild is getting clapped by several of them. He had diff with a H12 and GS is hax-less and definitely hasn't shown the firepower of Etherion. Only ones he would beat is Invel, GS, and Neinheart. His hax gets beaten out by the others badly.

 

[King Moe]

This is false. END played no part in defeating Zeref.

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Basically this. If you're fighting someone more powerful than you, you can't use your hax as we saw Brandish vs Enchanted Neinhart. But if you catch the person off guard, it will always work such as Bind Snake.

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Gajeel >>>>> everyone in the guild he solos Aldoron.....

Kinda did since END Book was needed to revive Natsu, so saying it 'had no part' doesn't make sense as it was evident of that as well probably being cause of how he beat Zeref since Zeref did said he was created to defeat him in the end.

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He never used any END stop making your own little head canons. Nowhere was it mentioned that it was END power. Natsu used FDK with his emotions at his maximum. Don't know where you are getting he used END power just because Lucy rewrote the book. If he used END power Zeref would have said so. That was his flames of emotions at max.



Ya it is base Gray. He didn't use devil slayer magic. Don't know where you are getting he used Devil Slayer magic.

Then what brought him onto his feet after Zeref pierce his body? Willpower? It obvious he was heal by book by Lucy's rewritten it. Lucy can amplify his powers with END, but without him becoming insane monster, so it's possible on that especially Zeref stated Natsu was design to defeat him one day and it happen. It was combination of that and the flames.

Looks like he did during the fight especially he doesn't need to transform to use that power. Can't say he was holding back while fighting the seed all that time.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Then what brought him onto his feet after Zeref pierce his body? Willpower? It obvious he was heal by book by Lucy's rewritten it. Lucy can amplify his powers with END, but without him becoming insane monster, so it's possible on that especially Zeref stated Natsu was design to defeat him one day and it happen. It was combination of that and the flames.

Looks like he did during the fight especially he doesn't need to transform to use that power. Can't say he was holding back while fighting the seed all that time.

Lucy rewrote the letters that disappeared from the book once Natsu was critically injured which healed him completely. Lucy main goal was to make Natsu a human not give him demon powers. There was no END powers involved in defeat of FH Zeref. It was his Flames of emotions reaching max limit and even his guild mark started shining. Him using END power is nothing but your headcanon. There was no combination of any sort of demon powers.

 

[JK Network]

He caught Ajeel off guard and Laxus couldn't even oneshot Kiria. He wasn't oneshotting a person who could wreck Erza once they went serious. Not to mention Sand World is far bigger than any spell Laxus could produce. It didn't work on Neinheart bcs of Irene's enchantment. Neinheart's MP is far above Laxus' as well. Nah, DiMaria (timestop) stomps, Brandish (organ bust or literally stomps in giant form) stomps, Jacob stomps (Transport), Wall stomps (Etherion) and Bloodman (MCBs, Absorption, Memento Mori, Sensation, and Macro) stomps. FT only made through Alvarez bcs the S12 didn't take it serious, PoF, asspulls, and avbunch of other buffonery. The fact that Brandish can make herself or anyone as big as Aldo already makes her solo the guild without even needing to pop their brains. Also Brandish had no trouble threatening the entire lives of the guild which Lucy thought she could do it. No one in FT bar END has the ability to get out of Brandish MM and no one in the guild has the MP on par with an S12 either. FT 100YQ is only further proving that FT was never ready to take on the S12s. Too much evidence that FT is out classed against the S12s has been shown in the 100YQ.

Gild is getting clapped by several of them. He had diff with a H12 and GS is hax-less and definitely hasn't shown the firepower of Etherion. Only ones he would beat is Invel, GS, and Neinheart. His hax gets beaten out by the others badly.

Yes he was come on don’t give me they off guard excuse and besides ajeel had enough time to block his attack but stood there like an idiot. Your overestimating ajeel. I doubt he’s even stronger then mard geer.

Thats headcanon to assume that neinhart has more magic power then Laxus. That was never implied or stated anywhere.

And no if brandish’s power couldn’t work on him I doubt it would have worked on people like Laxus or gildarts.

Wall got his ass beaten. Take away his immunity and Laxus sickness and he’s nothing to Laxus.

No disrespect but what is with the spriggan wano all of a sudden?

The only real threats that they couldn’t solo were the top three.

Laxus, gildarts, Jellal and natsu who defeated zeref btw were strongEr then most of the spriggan.

yeah Lucy thought she could do it doesn’t mean she could like what is they argument?

And no natsu stomps her at full power. A guy who beat zeref isn’t losing to her that makes no sense and you can call it bs all you want but it’s the truth that you can’t deny.


And no the opposite actually it definitely shows that the strongest ones were ready your giving the 12 way too much credit.

again the only real threats were the top three

Yeah no he beat god Serena at half power and god Serena at full power is above most of the sprig fans and even gildarts is stronger than that. This is ridiculous

 

[Jko]

Yes he was come on don’t give me they off guard excuse and besides ajeel had enough time to block his attack but stood there like an idiot. Your overestimating ajeel. I doubt he’s even stronger then mard geer.

Thats headcanon to assume that neinhart has more magic power then Laxus. That was never implied or stated anywhere.

And no if brandish’s power couldn’t work on him I doubt it would have worked on people like Laxus or gildarts.

Wall got his ass beaten. Take away his immunity and Laxus sickness and he’s nothing to Laxus.

No disrespect but what is with the spriggan wano all of a sudden?

The only real threats that they couldn’t solo were the top three.

Laxus, gildarts, Jellal and natsu who defeated zeref btw were strongEr then most of the spriggan.

yeah Lucy thought she could do it doesn’t mean she could like what is they argument?

And no natsu stomps her at full power. A guy who beat zeref isn’t losing to her that makes no sense and you can call it bs all you want but it’s the truth that you can’t deny.


And no the opposite actually it definitely shows that the strongest ones were ready your giving the 12 way too much credit.

again the only real threats were the top three

Yeah no he beat god Serena at half power and god Serena at full power is above most of the sprig fans and even gildarts is stronger than that. This is ridiculous

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Yeah that was A weird ship. Just because their blondes lol

Nah bro, he was not expecting that attack. He was completely shocked given his reaction. Either way he wasn't going to be oneshotted by a guy who couldn't even oneshot Kiria.

It's not headcanon as all S12 bar August and Irene are equivalent in MP. Nobody batted an eye at Laxus' MP and Makarov was stated to have the highest MP in the guild which makes everyone in the guild's MP far worse than a S12. Like bro it's pure headcanon to think Laxus' MP is on a S12 level when it was never even hinted at such. Wraith was more impressed by Makarov's MP than Current Natsu's lmao.

Laxus, Gild and Jellal would get oneshotted by the upper level S12s. Jellal got oneshotted by the weakest one lmao. Jellal and Laxus gets their brain popped by Randi or stepped on by country size Randi, neck slit by Mari, clapped out of existence by Jacob, flash frozen or turned into a slave by Invel, erased from existence by Bloodman and straight wiped off the face of the earth by Wall's Etherion. Natsu with plot force up his ass did that. Current Natsu is weak sauce to the god tiers. Dude had a hard time vaping water, and fighting Base Gajeel and a guy Elfman stalemated. You actually think he can take on Zeref???

Lucy is aware of her own guilds power yet thought Randi could do it. Country Demolisher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island levelers.

Natsu at full power is not anything to snuff at. Definitely not a Zeref tier threat as shown when his full powered attack did only 1 damage while fake Zeref f-ed up Aldo to the point he was screaming from pain. Natsu would get clapped by his brother. Clear as day their fight is straight up some of the worst writing in shounen history. 100YQ is rectifying that buffoonery. So again how is Natsu going to hurt Aldo size Brandish and not die from her stomping her foot on his face?

Nah, the amount of bs FT pulled against the S12s to win was down right disgusting. The 100YQ is is just highlighting the mistakes of Alvarez. Like why do you think that arc is consider one of the most garbage arcs in the history of shounen? The battles were pure plot force. Heroes won bcs they had asspulls and the Power of Friendship boosting them to levels they were not at.

God Serena was at a fraction of his power so he wasn't half power and Gild still got beat up by Serena with only a fraction of his power. God Serena is not beating any hax S12 lol.

Honestly don't see how FT which maxes at island level in both DC and AoE is even remotely comparable to S12s like Randi who can turn into the size of a country and wipe out nations. Several S12s would have solo FT. 100YQ is only proving that FT's win against them, Zeref, and Acno were straight up flukes. They were not ready to fade them and it shows in the Alvarez writing and the 100YQ writing.

 

[JK Network]

Nah bro, he was not expecting that attack. He was completely shocked given his reaction. Either way he wasn't going to be oneshotted by a guy who couldn't even oneshot Kiria.

It's not headcanon as all S12 bar August and Irene are equivalent in MP. Nobody batted an eye at Laxus' MP and Makarov was stated to have the highest MP in the guild which makes everyone in the guild's MP far worse than a S12. Like bro it's pure headcanon to think Laxus' MP is on a S12 level when it was never even hinted at such. Wraith was more impressed by Makarov's MP than Current Natsu's lmao.

Laxus, Gild and Jellal would get oneshotted by the upper level S12s. Jellal got oneshotted by the weakest one lmao. Jellal and Laxus gets their brain popped by Randi or stepped on by country size Randi, neck slit by Mari, clapped out of existence by Jacob, flash frozen or turned into a slave by Invel, erased from existence by Bloodman and straight wiped off the face of the earth by Wall's Etherion. Natsu with plot force up his ass did that. Current Natsu is weak sauce to the god tiers. Dude had a hard time vaping water, and fighting Base Gajeel and a guy Elfman stalemated. You actually think he can take on Zeref???

Lucy is aware of her own guilds power yet thought Randi could do it. Country Demolisher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island levelers.

Natsu at full power is not anything to snuff at. Definitely not a Zeref tier threat as shown when his full powered attack did only 1 damage while fake Zeref f-ed up Aldo to the point he was screaming from pain. Natsu would get clapped by his brother. Clear as day their fight is straight up some of the worst writing in shounen history. 100YQ is rectifying that buffoonery. So again how is Natsu going to hurt Aldo size Brandish and not die from her stomping her foot on his face?

Nah, the amount of bs FT pulled against the S12s to win was down right disgusting. The 100YQ is is just highlighting the mistakes of Alvarez. Like why do you think that arc is consider one of the most garbage arcs in the history of shounen? The battles were pure plot force. Heroes won bcs they had asspulls and the Power of Friendship boosting them to levels they were not at.

God Serena was at a fraction of his power so he wasn't half power and Gild still got beat up by Serena with only a fraction of his power. God Serena is not beating any hax S12 lol.

Honestly don't see how FT which maxes at island level in both DC and AoE is even remotely comparable to S12s like Randi who can turn into the size of a country and wipe out nations. Several S12s would have solo FT. 100YQ is only proving that FT's win against them, Zeref, and Acno were straight up flukes. They were not ready to fade them and it shows in the Alvarez writing and the 100YQ writing.

Ugh Well I think we’ll just agree to disagree Because I rather not think about alveraz anymore at least we can agree that the arc was complete garbage lol. And that 100 year quest (for the most part) is a HUGE improvement.

 

[GL_Nova]

Looking back at it, the Spriggans should have defeated Ishgar with no issue. Mashima really backed himself up in a corner.

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Fusion END?

How? Literally all of the Spriggan fell to group efforts.

 

[Ramen]

How? Literally all of the Spriggan fell to group efforts.

Because they were winning the war at one point.

 

[GL_Nova]

Nah bro, he was not expecting that attack. He was completely shocked given his reaction. Either way he wasn't going to be oneshotted by a guy who couldn't even oneshot Kiria.

It's not headcanon as all S12 bar August and Irene are equivalent in MP. Nobody batted an eye at Laxus' MP and Makarov was stated to have the highest MP in the guild which makes everyone in the guild's MP far worse than a S12. Like bro it's pure headcanon to think Laxus' MP is on a S12 level when it was never even hinted at such. Wraith was more impressed by Makarov's MP than Current Natsu's lmao.

Laxus, Gild and Jellal would get oneshotted by the upper level S12s. Jellal got oneshotted by the weakest one lmao. Jellal and Laxus gets their brain popped by Randi or stepped on by country size Randi, neck slit by Mari, clapped out of existence by Jacob, flash frozen or turned into a slave by Invel, erased from existence by Bloodman and straight wiped off the face of the earth by Wall's Etherion. Natsu with plot force up his ass did that. Current Natsu is weak sauce to the god tiers. Dude had a hard time vaping water, and fighting Base Gajeel and a guy Elfman stalemated. You actually think he can take on Zeref???

Lucy is aware of her own guilds power yet thought Randi could do it. Country Demolisher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island levelers.

Natsu at full power is not anything to snuff at. Definitely not a Zeref tier threat as shown when his full powered attack did only 1 damage while fake Zeref f-ed up Aldo to the point he was screaming from pain. Natsu would get clapped by his brother. Clear as day their fight is straight up some of the worst writing in shounen history. 100YQ is rectifying that buffoonery. So again how is Natsu going to hurt Aldo size Brandish and not die from her stomping her foot on his face?

Nah, the amount of bs FT pulled against the S12s to win was down right disgusting. The 100YQ is is just highlighting the mistakes of Alvarez. Like why do you think that arc is consider one of the most garbage arcs in the history of shounen? The battles were pure plot force. Heroes won bcs they had asspulls and the Power of Friendship boosting them to levels they were not at.

God Serena was at a fraction of his power so he wasn't half power and Gild still got beat up by Serena with only a fraction of his power. God Serena is not beating any hax S12 lol.

Honestly don't see how FT which maxes at island level in both DC and AoE is even remotely comparable to S12s like Randi who can turn into the size of a country and wipe out nations. Several S12s would have solo FT. 100YQ is only proving that FT's win against them, Zeref, and Acno were straight up flukes. They were not ready to fade them and it shows in the Alvarez writing and the 100YQ writing.

No, he was literally looking at Laxus and launching an attack when Laxus countered. He was surprised by how powerful the attack was, not by being attacked. That’s a super weak lie. An again, why should we believe Ajeel’s bluster (after being embarassed & saves) over the General of the Spriggan & King of Magic’s assessment? Nobody ever has a real reason we should doubt August’s reasoning.

What are you talking about? It wasn’t stated they all had the same MP, it was stated they were all comparable to Brandish (who to date is the weakest ). Laxus has enough power that August thought he needed to save Ajeel, and that a dying Laxus was still too much for Wahl to overpower even with immunity to his magic. I don’t know how you can watch him slap a mid tier Spriggan around and try and act like his MP was below them.

The manga doesnt agree with your assessment. You can keep arguing for how you would have them win, but that’s not what happened. I mean hell, Wahl thought he needed Etherion, a country lvl attack, to kill an already dying Laxus.Again, why should we accept your opinion over the Spriggan?

Gray was strong enough to trap Zeref. An Zeref himself thought that Jellal & Laxus were strong enough to get past the fully assembled Spriggan 12 and reach him ready to fight. Again the opinion of an Archmage, and master of magic who was clear that he had extensively researched FT beforehand...

I was gunna keep going, but your insistence that FT is still Island lvl says all I need.