Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
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Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
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Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
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Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
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CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Yaiba was a mid-toc series on average before the anime though iirc.
Kimetsu was a top 3 ranker in 2018 and the final arc was pretty much always top3 even prior to the anime airing.
 

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And Senku? He is at least 18 years old
Currently, the age of adulthood is 20 years in Japan. It seem the age will be reduced to 18 in 2022 (even then they couldn't drink until they are 20 years old, though).
 
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I was only counting serious manga.
Gintama had quite a few serious arcs though. Sure, it focussed a lot more on parodies and comedy for the majority of the manga, but there was still an overarching plot throughout the whole manga. You mentioned in your first post how JoJo and HxH don't have an overarching plot, but Gintama had one from the start, just that it wasn't the main focus for the majority of the manga.

The last 200 chapters of the manga were all mostly focussing on the plot, although the final two arcs still had a lot of comedy and parody involved. So imo, it had enough plot heavy arcs to count. It would be a different matter if it didn't have a plot at all, though.
 

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Kimetsu was a top 3 ranker in 2018 and the final arc was pretty much always top3 even prior to the anime airing.
I think he's referring to 2016/2017 and Im pretty sure it wasnt always a top 3 ranker in 2018
 

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I think he's referring to 2016/2017 and Im pretty sure it wasnt always a top 3 ranker in 2018
I have this impression too, but I dont have data to refute it.
I dont know where those ToC graphs come from but they would be handy
 

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Yeah, sales were always more accurate than TOC. The thing I'm trying to say is that the WSJ TOC is less and less accurate as time goes by. As it's not a reliable ranking anymore and editors are interfering more on the series placements like other magazines do.



These series were canceled long ago. Does the same rule still applies? I don't think editors let successful series sit at the bottom anymore. Black Clover and Act-Age seem to be frequently bouncing around bottom and high placements, for instance.
Shokugeki no Souma was at the bottom for quite some time though before getting cancelled and that was as recent as last year. Though tbf, the sales went down a lot over the years and the final arc was the nail in the coffin.
 

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I think he's referring to 2016/2017 and Im pretty sure it wasnt always a top 3 ranker in 2018
It was a top 3 ranker on average for the year. This is from a user of the forum, but every version I've seen is pretty similar.



In 2017 it was close to top 5.



Credit to @Aipom626 for these.
 

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Yeah, Kimetsu has been one of the most consistent series with regards to TOC placements.
Dr. Stone as well has been just as consistent.
 

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Gintama had quite a few serious arcs though. Sure, it focussed a lot more on parodies and comedy for the majority of the manga, but there was still an overarching plot throughout the whole manga. You mentioned in your first post how JoJo and HxH don't have an overarching plot, but Gintama had one from the start, just that it wasn't the main focus for the majority of the manga.

The last 200 chapters of the manga were all mostly focussing on the plot, although the final two arcs still had a lot of comedy and parody involved. So imo, it had enough plot heavy arcs to count. It would be a different matter if it didn't have a plot at all, though.
I was referring to the focus, Gintama's plot has never been the main focus and I wouldn't recommend it for the plot. By "not serious" I mean that it's not plot centered, but if you think it counts lets just agree to disagree.
 

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Speaking of which, what was the shortest Chapter 1 that Jump ever had?
Saiki Kusuo's 1st chapter was 26 pages and Isobe Isobee Monogatari was 12 pages, but I don't know if it was a double chapter
 

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I have this impression too, but I dont have data to refute it.
I dont know where those ToC graphs come from but they would be handy
There's my chart since 1999.

I don't get why some people also take into consideration the cover/lead as first place, it doesn't make sense to me. The same goes for color pages that are random.
 

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As for the matter of How useful the ToC is, well, it's useful. But a lot of its use comes from analyzing average placements over a length of time, and elaborating on why a certain series is ranking in a certain way (i.e. is a series like Chainsaw Man ranking low because of it not being popular with the readers despite great upwards trend in sales, or is it ranking low because of Shueisha playing it safe in regards to its violence and NSFW content? By all means, the most logic conclusion would be the latter, in a similar fashion as to why ecchii series are placed at the bottom).

The only metrics that can without a doubt measure popularity of a series are sales and questionnaires, but we do not have access to the latter; either way, the ToC is usually a balance of the two. It is no coincidence that the first newbie to rank truly well in quite a while, Mashle, was also the one to have the best debut by quite a margin in terms of sales; Shueisha obviously has some info on how liked the series is within the readers of the magazine beyond just how much a series sells. Bottom rankers tend for the most part to be flops, but series that hang around in the upper half in a consistent way usually end up performing.

What ranks high and what doesn't is fruit of editorial decisions, however these decisions aren't made out of thin air; if something is being pushed, then someone must think the content warrants pushing. It could simply be due to the series being a sales juggernaut, or it could also be due to questionnaires leading the editorial to believe that the series has potential to become one. It's no coincidence that veterans that aren't performing anymore tend to be moved to the bottom of the magazine, with the series being removed from the lineup relatively shortly after.

In any case, with the current state of the magazine, I wouldn't expect any newbie to just sit at the bottom forever, or at the very least not until we move closer to the next serialization round.
 

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Someone has spoiler of shakunetsu no niraikanai ?
 

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@Halloween BTw do we have a Mashle thread on the site to talk about it?
 

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