Keep it OP please, if you want to discuss OP vs Naruto go to the Otaku Café and make a thread there if there isn't already one. I'll leave your posts so you can use it as quotes if needed.
On these boards, isn't that a popular opinion? SWORDBOIS ASSEMBLE! lolUnpopular Opinion = Zoro and Sanji as a rival and close in overall power are just a Gag, zoro and sanji are not close, yes sanji are still the third strongest Strawhats (before jinbei join btw) but not as close as people claim it.. every thing that shows that sanji and zoro are close in power are all just a Gag, their real difference in power are shown in thriller back with the kuma thing, it took only one hit from zoro to make sanji pass out, while zoro could take all of luffy's pain and still standing...
Actually when i wrote that it is crossed my mind about the ennies lobby thing.. and i just thought since oda doesnt actually use that kind of power level ever again he maybe just change his mind? LolOn these boards, isn't that a popular opinion? SWORDBOIS ASSEMBLE! lol
I don't put much stock in random feats of durability. Zoro was just knocked out from a much smaller wound than he took at Thriller Bark, and he was completely healthy prior to it.
And not everything showing them close in power is a gag. They fought Kaku and Jabra, two guys Oda explicitly showed to be equal in power, with a number scale and everything. That is about as non-gag as you can get.
I don't think Oda thinks in terms of "what will be bad to Zoro". He has still given them the same friendly sibling rivalry in the timeskip, such as Zoro telling the crew not to worry about the Swirly Brow Pirates, Sanji was with them, when they landed on Zou and saw the destruction.Actually when i wrote that it is crossed my mind about the ennies lobby thing.. and i just thought since oda doesnt actually use that kind of power level ever again he maybe just change his mind? Lol
He maybe at first want to make them little bit close in power.. but.. since it will be bad for zoro, a man who keep on training, have a goal to become the strongest swordsman, to be close in power to someone who barely train and have a goal to be the best cook in the world...
Highlighted portion: In what way? They are very strong pirates; their notoriety would suggest the strongest pirates. You can't amass the sort of territory and crew that they have without actual fighting prowess.Unpopular opinion: the shichibukai are only slightly less powerful than the yonkou
- they used to be one of the three great powers
- the power of the yonkou has been greatly exaggerated on this forum
- if the circumstances are right some shichibukai could hold their own against a yonkou (shanks Vs mihawk, crocodile's insanely powerful df etc.)
I'll always say - Shanks has to rank VERY high on the Yonko scale. He's the most human sized, no devil fruit, and a crew like Luffy's...and yet! He is a Yonko. He has the respect of WB and the WG. BM stated that if only Lola had married the giant she was arranged to, she could have defeated the other Yonko crews, naming Shanks specifically.Honestly, the shichibukai's strength is something which oda simply mishandled... Because as the series went on their existence made less and less sense. And not only because they were actively harming the world, oda simply didn't develop them in a way which actually justifies them as one of the 3 great powers. We have had several iterations of shichibukai:
1.- Mihawk, jinbe, hancock, moria, crocodile, kuma, doflamingo.
2.- Mihawk, jinbe, hancock, moria, blackbeard, kuma, doflamingo.
3.- Mihawk, buggy, hancock, weevil, law, kuma, doflamingo.
4.- Mihawk, buggy, hancock, weevil, kuma
Now.... at what point does it make a shred of sense for any iteration of this group to be a force comparable to either the marines or just one yonko crew? Based on what we have seen so far the marines are a massive organization with extremely powerful warriors. The fleet admiral, admirals are powerful by top yonko commander standards at least. And the VAs are numerous and skilled warriors. I would go as far as making the case that vice admirals are basically the marine's backbone and their stronger members are basically the marine's response to yonko commanders (though not necessarily top yonko commanders).
And on the other hand you have the yonko. yonko crews have a basic structure so far, though each one has its own quirks: At the top a yonko that towers over its crewmembers. Then usually top 3 executives and a handful or two of executives who are very powerful in general. And then there are other minions who are usually affiliated crews. And their strength can vary from yonko commander to pretty weak. Overall each yonko has massive organizations behind them.
Based on what we saw at marineford... We kinda need to factor in even hype for any one shichibukai to be admiral level. Well, BB eventually became a yonko but I doubt he had that level at marineford. He might have that power now though. From the shichibukai in general... Honestly the only original shichibukai that looks like he might be yonko level is maybe mihawk, assuming he can still hold a candle to shanks. And even then we have to consider shanks probably does not rank very highly among the yonko. IMO kaido and big mom are more powerful than him.. Hancock by hype alone appears to be extremely powerful as well. And then... Moria and crocodile do not appear particularly powerful. Moria was "fired" from his position on account of his weakness even. Doflamingo in turn appears to be about as strong as maybe the weakest of a yonko's top 3. And even that is optimistic. I don't think doflamingo would win against cracker or vista at least. Kuma seems pretty powerful but its hard to place him anywhere tbh. No real reference of where he ranks. All we know is that Iva can hold his own against him and even that is not much of a reference. jinbe is pretty strong but IMO he ranks at about mid tier yonko executives, just about beneath yonko's top 3.
Overall, the shichibukai appear to be weaker than a single yonko's main executives. Granted that the 7 in any iteration are an extremely powerful group but they just can't be single handedly as strong as even one yonko crew, let alone all 4 of them. And its utterly absurd that they are a force comparable to the marines, which actually manage to contain the yonko's power and influence of 4 yonko within the new world. The problem the marines have in this regard is that they can't actually gather all their firepower to take out the yonko as that would leave massive amounts of territory unprotected.
My current assumptions/ideas about shanks are more or less like this:I'll always say - Shanks has to rank VERY high on the Yonko scale. He's the most human sized, no devil fruit, and a crew like Luffy's...and yet! He is a Yonko. He has the respect of WB and the WG. BM stated that if only Lola had married the giant she was arranged to, she could have defeated the other Yonko crews, naming Shanks specifically.
Given what we know about crew size and the strength of the top levels (ie, YC's, next level like Tobi Roppo or Big Mom's strong kids like Daifuku and Oven, etc), it stands to reason that the only way Shanks can possibly be considered a Yonko with that tiny crew is for Shanks himself to just be incredibly strong, as well as having the strongest commanders.
A weak Shanks is not turning Kaido away from heading to Marineford. A weak Shanks with a dozen or so crew members isn't making BB and the WG say "yeah..maybe we should end this now..."
I put Shanks as the top Yonko strength wise.
The shichibukai were not expected to actually do anything. We even know they hardly show up when called. To get them all to marineford the WG had to threaten them with taking away their title... The only shichibukai that largely cooperated with the world government was kuma and even that backfired.You all forget in your shichi vs. yonkou discussion the different jobs they have. Shichis arent hired for New World Combatants, they are there to pick one pirates in the first half of the grandline so that the marines dont need to divide their forces.