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@Axiomus
Take on this?

What caused Acno to be disintegrated? Fairy Sphere or Natsu?
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Acno never merked Animus. He survived, If he was gutted like you say he would have instantly died. Only one who died was Zirconis and other Dragon. Zirconis is a GMG fodder dragon that doesn't mean much in the current arc or Alvarez. Funny thing you say is how these fodder dragons would kill Gajeel when Acno wouldn't do it himself.
Nerfed Animus stomped Alverez Natsu (no DF). Natsu needed his strongest DF showed in main series to defeat Animus.

Gajeel wouldn't do shit to these "fodder" dragons
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When the soul/mind goes, the body does as well.
Sure, it may become a shell or zombie. But it wouldn't disintegrate
 

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Lets even consider that his soul got disintegrated because of Natsu and not because of FS. How would that disintegrate his main body? Natsu did no damage to main body
They were connected. His dragon body was immobilized in FH and the soul stop moving.
 

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I'll have to double check.

Yeah, looks like to me that Fairy Sphere was just supposed to seal Acnologia. Then when he exploded. they attributed that to the dragon slayers winning in the rift.
 

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I'll have to double check.

Yeah, looks like to me that Fairy Sphere was just supposed to seal Acnologia. Then when he exploded. they attributed that to the dragon slayers winning in the rift.
Yes.

So, what disintegrated Acno?

When FS was used on FT in Tenrou island, the FT members and the island itself disintegrated. So, what resulted in Acno disintegrating?
 

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Yes.

So, what disintegrated Acno?

When FS was used on FT in Tenrou island, the FT members and the island itself disintegrated. So, what resulted in Acno disintegrating?
I'm not sure what you mean. The island and FT members were sealed inside FS, but I don't think they disintegrated. FS was basically a bubble that hid them in a separate dimension. I would imagine that had time gone on longer for Lucy's cast, Acnologia would have been sealed away for a couple of years. Or until Acnologia figured something out and broke free like he did with the rift of time.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean. The island and FT members were sealed inside FS, but I don't think they disintegrated. FS was basically a bubble that hid them in a separate dimension. I would imagine that had time gone on longer for Lucy's cast, Acnologia would have been sealed away for a couple of years. Or until Acnologia figured something out and broke free like he did with the rift of time.
What I meant was, there was not even a speck of the island left. I thought maybe "disintegrating" is the process which we didn't see because of Acno's roar blocking vision. Like for eg, in many anime and games, when you teleport, it's shown that you disintegrate and reform somewhere else right? Disintegration has been shown to be a process when you get transferred across dimensions (not specifically in FT)

Ok, so it's because of Natsu that Acno disintegrated in your opinion, and not because of FS?
 

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What I meant was, there was not even a speck of the island left. I thought maybe "disintegrating" is the process which we didn't see because of Acno's roar blocking vision. Like for eg, in many anime and games, when you teleport, it's shown that you disintegrate and reform somewhere else right? Disintegration has been shown to be a process when you get transferred across dimensions (not specifically in FT)

Ok, so it's because of Natsu that Acno disintegrated in your opinion, and not because of FS?
Uhhhh, I don't think Fairy Sphere ever disintegrated stuff. Again, I'll have to double check.
Um, yeah. I don't think it was implied anywhere that they disintegrated. If anything, I got the sense that Fairy Sphere put everyone into some sort of stasis and then warped to a different dimension or something. Either that or it just got buried under the water and rock....but I imagine that wasn't the case because someone probably could have just dug them up.

I mean, they talked about Acnologia exploding in the page I linked. Juvia wondered maybe it was because of Fairy Sphere. Then Gray, Happy, and Lucy all implied that it was because the dragon slayers won.
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Did you previously said "No one other" or something happened with my eyes ?!
Do you have any proof on manga what Ankseram exist and not just mere legend ?!
So, stop use speculations as facts of manga.

About fake or not. Copy NEVER same as original. It's law of the nature like.. Lucy is human being, so Lucy has one heart, brain and spinal cord.
Manga never said "Lucy has spinal cord". But because it's "core of reality" we take it as fact. As well as copy =/= original.
The "real" Zeref wouldn't be able to hurt Aldoron anyways. The curse of contradiction fired off because Aldoron was precious to the god seed. The real Zeref doesn't care about Aldoron, so the curse would never even activate. The death wave isn't something Zeref can just randomly fire off. It only fires off when he cares about people. Zeref's regular magic, the one that he used to fight with Natsu, doesn't insta-kill.

Remember, the curse also limits Zeref's control over his magic. That's why he lost to Ultear on Tenrou Island. So even if the real Zeref cared about Aldoron and the curse triggers, Aldoron would still have to pretty much let it happen.
 

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In which stats ? Where you got these stats ? Stop create fanfiction, Singe stats I ever saw in FT... it was Tartarus demons stats.

If speculate -> 7 DS physical hits did not even do single one scratch on Acno body. While Aldo received good damage by Natsu fists.
So, about which "same" stats you're talking here ?!
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Acnologia killed dragons with bare hands, while Aldoron wasn't able to kill Gajeel (!) with combined physic + magic attacks.
Acnologia's immunity was one of the main reasons why he was hard to beat

Good guys rarely die
 
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Just an explanation of what happened
As we know after sealing the team in Tenroujima, ...Their strength froze, And their age too

Same thing with acno....
After the seal, his power froze....At that moment he was just a normal person.

It is impossible for any ordinary person to receive that attack and survive......
And above that it was just a soul

That was the only way to stop him
The battle was ridiculous, but the method of defeat was good.....
 

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Uhhhh, I don't think Fairy Sphere ever disintegrated stuff. Again, I'll have to double check.
Um, yeah. I don't think it was implied anywhere that they disintegrated. If anything, I got the sense that Fairy Sphere put everyone into some sort of stasis and then warped to a different dimension or something. Either that or it just got buried under the water and rock....but I imagine that wasn't the case because someone probably could have just dug them up.

I mean, they talked about Acnologia exploding in the page I linked. Juvia wondered maybe it was because of Fairy Sphere. Then Gray, Happy, and Lucy all implied that it was because the dragon slayers won.
No, I didn't mean that it was said somewhere. It's headcanon from me. I'm saying it's possible, since it's basically shifting to another dimension. That's why I mentioned examples (from other series/games) of disintegration when teleportation occurs
 

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About fake or not. Copy NEVER same as original. It's law of the nature like.. Lucy is human being, so Lucy has one heart, brain and spinal cord.
Manga never said "Lucy has spinal cord". But because it's "core of reality" we take it as fact. As well as copy =/= original.
Doesn't matter if Copy and Original are not the same things. What matters is their magic is the same and power is similar. Aldoron's magic let him turn into to anyone that the user thinks is the strongest. Gemini can also exactly transform into anyone who is as strong as him and can you use their magic as well. He even transforms into Marin and Lucy used it to transform in exactly duplicate of herself to double her power in GMG. Gemini having spine or brain was irrelevant here. So please don't some real-world explanation and try to justify your self in a fantasy manga.
 
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Acno never merked Animus. He survived, If he was gutted like you say he would have instantly died. Only one who died was Zirconis and other Dragon. Zirconis is a GMG fodder dragon that doesn't mean much in the current arc or Alvarez.
What part of nonsense you try to talk ?!

"People die when they've killed". But not immediately.

You got tangled with your fanfics and bad-knowing canon.
Firstly you said "anyone hurt Aldo dragon body exclude Natsu" -> I asked what about fake!death wave by fake!Zeref?
Secondly you said "Gajeel will do woohoo with no-names dragons, which was killed by Acno / they're weaker then Gajeel". I said - well, some was named it's Zirconis and Animus.
Later you said "Aminus was never gutted" on my statement. I answer you "Actually, 3 dragons (Animus, Zirconis and 3rd unnamed) were zerked at same time by Acno in cavern".

Well, I'm not medic, But my work connects with reading forensic,
So, let me educate you. Even in real life person with ripped internal organ may be conscious and able to freely move for some minutes.

Animus was zerked bu Acno and "technically killed". But fiction is fiction, for plot reasons Animus had special affinity (magic), there was medium (Sonya) near him who also was still alive. And that Sonya accepted his request. So, Animus was still able to put his consciousness into her (Sonya).

So, about what you say here ? Acno with bare hands dealt fatal/deadly damage to 3 dragons at same time.

Funny thing you say is how these fodder dragons would kill Gajeel when Acno wouldn't do it himself.
The difference here Acno send Gajeel in flying along with 6 other DS like they're insects. Aldoron was not able to normally push single one Gajeel.

Why shouldn't he exist? Mashima is the one who is said Zeref was cursed by Ankeseram and it was said from Zeref's mouth as well. One who is trying to make fanfic is here is not trying to say he doesn't. Mashima would have named it Zeref's curse, not Ankeseram.
Lie and speculation.
400 yo backstory only said that "you make God Ankseram angry... you got curse" (it was said by Zeref tutors when they found he learnt forbidden magic).
The thing that ppl in Mildean 400 year ago worship "God Ankhseram" IS NOT mean he's exist. Also Mashima never said anything about that case.

300 years after events with Zeref (100 yo) Mavis got same curse. I did not remember she met "God Ankseram" or "God Ankseram" curses her with anything.

FT as real world has some core principles. There're principles of Life (I take them from real world), there're also special for FT principles like principles of magic (which were explained by Zeref). With these principles we're able to make some speculations also.
For example like "Ankseram curse is result of "chemical reaction"/"something like chemical reaction". With using "forbidden" magic 1-eternanos influence on 2-eternanos and we get that we name "Ankseram curse".

It's same speculation as your "God Ankseram is exist". Even my speculation is more logic and realistic.


lol, Acnologia was just that pathetic nothing else.
facepalm ><
Entire continent combined to deal with single Acno, and after it he's still "pathetic".

It seems DG hype makes some influence on brain cells.


lol, he shattered like glass and disintegrated which was said by FT members himself who knows about how FH works. It was said in the manga that beating his soul was what destroyed his body. All FH did was make him immobile.
I don't have any intentions to comment it.
I just make remark - immobilation was caused by "secret skill" which was found by Lucy in library (she searched that book with Freed).
And what skill doesn't have name "Fairy Heart".

I don't know with which organs you really read manga, but i'm kinda bored with you already.
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Acnologia's immunity was one of the main reasons why he was hard to beat
Acno was hard to beat because he's just too strong.

Good example (1:13-2:20)

 

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The writer made Acno need the Dragon Slayers......This is kind of "nerf", too

He made him not serious against them unlike Serena
 

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The writer made Acno need the Dragon Slayers......This is kind of "nerf", too

He made him not serious against them unlike Serena
Totally agree.

If say that Serena is stronger then Madmole and Co, and something like "I won't be surprised if that Red Bird Suzuki will be weaker then Serena", some ppl on forum would be collapsed.
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N.B. Empty hype is not good thing after all.
 

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Lie and speculation.
400 yo backstory only said that "you make God Ankseram angry... you got curse" (it was said by Zeref tutors when they found he learnt forbidden magic).
The thing that ppl in Mildean 400 year ago worship "God Ankhseram" IS NOT mean he's exist. Also Mashima never said anything about that case.
That doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is Zeref got cursed and soon after Mavis. If this was Zeref's curse they would have said it was Zeref curse. He didn't create the curse himself and Zeref himself have referred to it has Ankeseram Curse. So you trying to say it's not bestowed by the god of death goes against the manga which is nothing but your headcanon.

facepalm ><
Entire continent combined to deal with single Acno, and after it he's still "pathetic".

It seems DG hype makes some influence on brain cells.
It seems like you don't have the brain cells to understand that He was buffed after eating ravines of times. Him getting sealed doesn't have anything on his durability. Doesn't change the fact that he was shattered into pieces rainbow fire Natsu.

I don't have any intentions to comment it.
I just make remark - immobilation was caused by "secret skill" which was found by Lucy in library (she searched that book with Freed).
And what skill doesn't have name "Fairy Heart".

I don't know with which organs you really read manga, but i'm kinda bored with you already.
I would say the same thing to you as well. All FH did was immobilize him. It didn't affect his durability. @Axiomus already posted a panel where Gray and Lucy saying that it was Natsu giving the final blow that disintegrated his dragon body as well. If you something called eyes you have seen that before questioning my organs.

Acno was hard to beat because he's just too strong.
Lol. Posting Aizen from bleach to prove Acnologia is strong. Just prove how educated you are.

The difference here Acno send Gajeel in flying along with 6 other DS like they're insects. Aldoron was not able to normally push single one Gajeel.
Aldoron blew a hole in Gajeel which greater than pushing someone away. At least Aldoron wasn't trolled by ships.

What part of nonsense you try to talk ?!

"People die when they've killed". But not immediately.

You got tangled with your fanfics and bad-knowing canon.
Firstly you said "anyone hurt Aldo dragon body exclude Natsu" -> I asked what about fake!death wave by fake!Zeref?
Secondly you said "Gajeel will do woohoo with no-names dragons, which was killed by Acno / they're weaker then Gajeel". I said - well, some was named it's Zirconis and Animus.
Later you said "Aminus was never gutted" on my statement. I answer you "Actually, 3 dragons (Animus, Zirconis and 3rd unnamed) were zerked at same time by Acno in cavern".

Well, I'm not medic, But my work connects with reading forensic,
So, let me educate you. Even in real life person with ripped internal organ may be conscious and able to freely move for some minutes.

Animus was zerked bu Acno and "technically killed". But fiction is fiction, for plot reasons Animus had special affinity (magic), there was medium (Sonya) near him who also was still alive. And that Sonya accepted his request. So, Animus was still able to put his consciousness into her (Sonya).

So, about what you say here ? Acno with bare hands dealt fatal/deadly damage to 3 dragons at same time.
I already conceded on this point.
 

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That doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is Zeref got cursed and soon after Mavis. If this was Zeref's curse they would have said it was Zeref curse. He didn't create the curse himself and Zeref himself have referred to it has Ankeseram Curse. So you trying to say it's not bestowed by the god of death goes against the manga which is nothing but your headcanon.
You say about eyes, right?
"The only thing that matters is Zeref got cursed and soon after Mavis" -> 300 years is "soon after" ?
* About how someone read/know canon manga.

I don't know how unwise need to be to not understand even after so much time and words.

Life and Death magic existed before Zeref. And it was called forbidden before Zeref.
The thing that it was forbidden simply prove it.
Because if it was created by Zeref, how his tutor could be able to say: "so you're practising forbidden arts?".

It maybe big surprise for you, but Zeref was not 1st human and he was not even 1st wizard. There were humans and wizards before him.
And it's logically to suggest someone wizard had learnt Life and Death magic, used, and after some circumstances society decided to call that magic as "forbidden".

It's like the example for human history. Long-long-long time ago ppl had noticed that kids by close-related parents are defected. They called it "incest" and "forbidden". That's all. Topic is closed.

Now, we return to Zeref and Ankseram curse. If that type of "illness" existed before Zeref. ofc Zeref is not its creator.

People did not know what is it exactly and how it's appear so called it as "God Ankseram anger".
Back to history, Long time ago ppl thought plague is "God anger" too.

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Now return to fanfics and headcanon.

Mashima DID NOT even once said that "character God Ankseram exists". It's reality.
It simply may mean it's just like "ancient Greeks who worship Olympic Gods: Zeus, Mars, etc". Did they ever existed ?
It's also may mean God Ankseram exists.

But again, anyone from us know it. because Mashima never give answer on it (I'm actually tired to continuously say it).


It seems like you don't have the brain cells to understand that He was buffed after eating ravines of times. Him getting sealed doesn't have anything on his durability. Doesn't change the fact that he was shattered into pieces rainbow fire Natsu.
I'm already said uncountable times. Plot is plot.
Entire continent united to do it.

I would say the same thing to you as well. All FH did was immobilize him. It didn't affect his durability. @Axiomus already posted a panel where Gray and Lucy saying that it was Natsu giving the final blow that disintegrated his dragon body as well. If you something called eyes you have seen that before questioning my organs.
I already answered on it.

About @Axiomus , I don't think he's so stupid to say "it was only Natsu power, which did it with Acno" (you mean this, right?)

If @Axiomus want to surprise me, he's very welcome to say vice versa. In other case I believe you don't correctly understand him.


Lol. Posting Aizen from bleach to prove Acnologia is strong. Just prove how educated you are.
It's for Gin speech about Aizen (and not Aizen). You did not get even it ><

Aldoron blew a hole in Gajeel which greater than pushing someone away. At least Aldoron wasn't trolled by ships.
Oh, almighty Gajeel. (sarcasm).
 
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I'm already said uncountable times. Plot is plot.
Entire continent united to do it.
The plot is nothing but a cheap excuse from you nothing more.
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It's for Gin speech about Aizen (and not Aizen). You did not get even it ><
Gin speech has nothing to with FT. So don't bother bringing it to FT verse.
 

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The plot is nothing but a cheap excuse from you nothing more.
It's not excuse, it's reality.

W.o. plot, a lot of main character did not survive to end in their series.
 

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I already answered on it.
You just it was FH that disintegrated him that's all while the manga proves otherwise with Lucy and Gray's statement which I will take over you statements.
 
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